Why God the Father considered this fruit as forbidden?

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Godsgood said:
GENESIS 2:16-17
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
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Food is made for the belly, and the belly for food, but not all that which is expedient is beneficial.

Mark 7:15 (KJV ©️ Christian Art Publishers 2016) "There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man."

(Mark 7:18-19, KJV) "And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and forth out into the draught, purging all meats?" (2016)

It's not the taste of fruit that kills us. It's the fact that we lie to the Lord about our business that makes us filthy beggars at his wedding feast.
 
Godsgood said:
I know that you are not here to seek for the truth.
You are here just to contradict my sharing because I shared that God is speaking in parables (Psalms 78:2 & Ezekiel 20:49)
And so the Lord Jesus too (Mark 4:34).
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If you were simply ignorant, I might show greater grace with you. Instead, you're a stubborn fool who does not understand how to interpret Scripture correctly and resists every attempt at instruction.

SOME of Scripture is parables. MOST is not. Every competent Bible teacher will tell you that. Every mature Christian will tell you that.
 
Dino246 said:
If you were simply ignorant, I might show greater grace with you. Instead, you're a stubborn fool who does not understand how to interpret Scripture correctly and resists every attempt at instruction.

SOME of Scripture is parables. MOST is not. Every competent Bible teacher will tell you that. Every mature Christian will tell you that.
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If you were simply ignorant, I might show greater grace with you. Instead, you're a stubborn fool who does not understand
It is not surprising that you will say this word to me.
Anybody who doesn't wanna hear the truth they curse the person whom saying it.

Same as what happened to Lord Jesus. Because the Scribes & Pharisees don't want to hear the truth coming from Jesus mouth. This is what they say to him.
JOHN 10:20
20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?

And this truth in the words of God never pass away.
MATTHEW 24:35
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

SOME of Scripture is parables. MOST is not.
Whom I believe, it is you who is saying not all God's words are parables. Most is not?

Or God the Father who said he will open his mouth in parables and in dark sayings of old?
PSALMS 78:2
2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
 
Tex_MidwesternerNW said:
Food is made for the belly, and the belly for food, but not all that which is expedient is beneficial.

Mark 7:15 (KJV ©️ Christian Art Publishers 2016) "There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man."

(Mark 7:18-19, KJV) "And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and forth out into the draught, purging all meats?" (2016)

It's not the taste of fruit that kills us. It's the fact that we lie to the Lord about our business that makes us filthy beggars at his wedding feast.
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God the Father never let his chosen be cheated in the other versions of Holy Bible.
He always guide his chosen towards the correct version of God's words.
 
Godsgood said:
God the Father never let his chosen be cheated in the other versions of Holy Bible.
He always guide his chosen towards the correct version of God's words.
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What publisher do you read? I have Texas German background -- so Luther is pretty much someone I believe
 
Tex_MidwesternerNW said:
What publisher do you read? I have Texas German background -- so Luther is pretty much someone I believe
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When my recognition to Jesus is from my religous leader only, I read holy bible in any version. As long as it is a bible I believe on what is written.
But when my recognition to Jesus is a revelation from the Father same as Simon Peter in Matthew 16:15-17. God the Father guided me to choose to read King James 1611. And God is right because I found it very neutral.
 
Godsgood said:
Try to observe in our generation today.

What do you think, why people who believe and reading the holy bible could not be in one understanding?
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It seems like God tha Father is saying that using man intellect to understand the words of God leads to become wise & prudent.
 
Godsgood said:
It seems like God tha Father is saying that using man intellect to understand the words of God leads to become wise & prudent.
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This is why God the Father gave this warning:
PROVERBS 3:5
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
 
Godsgood said:
This is why God the Father gave this warning:
PROVERBS 3:5
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
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God the Father doesn't want the people to use their own intellect to understand the words of God.

But Eve was tempted to use her own intellect and so she saw the forbidden fruit is good for food, pleasant to the eyes & could make a person wise.
Remember that it is only God the Father who set Good & Evil.
And so whoever eat the forbidden fruit will become wise and set his or her own standard for good & evil. Means he or she become like a God.

GENESIS 3:5-6
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
 
studentoftheword said:
Why God the Father considered this fruit as forbidden?


This had nothing to do with the fruit -----this was about obeying a command --and having Free choice ---and God already knew that they would not obey the Command ----Adam and Eve only knew Blessings --and they only had One Choice ---to commune with God -----in their Paradise

God did't want to be a dictator --or a puppet master where everyone only had the one choice -----God wanted His Human creation to have a choice ----He had already given the Angel free choice and wanted the same for His Human creation ----He wanted people to choose Him by their own choice -----

So he needed an enemy ----Satan -----to come into the picture in the Garden to Temp Adam and Eve to choose whether to obey His Command or Rebel against it -----He already knew what they would do ------but his free will to choose was then in place ---and on their shoulders to be Faithful to Him --or reject him -----

and we know the rest of the Story -------
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That's exactly how I interpreted it too. The fruit itself wasn't evil. It was the action behind eating the fruit: rejecting God's instruction/guidance for the instruction and wisdom of the Adversary. It was all about who is the absolute Lord. The same question we face every moment of every day of our lives.
 
Godsgood said:
God the Father doesn't want the people to use their own intellect to understand the words of God.
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God didn't endow us with intellectual capacity with the intention that we abandon it. Instead we must use our intellect to understand His words... all of them, in their proper genre and context, instead of taking His words out of context as you do.
 
Dino246 said:
God didn't endow us with intellectual capacity with the intention that we abandon it. Instead we must use our intellect to understand His words... all of them, in their proper genre and context, instead of taking His words out of context as you do.
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God the Father doesn't want the people to use their own intellect to understand the words of God
It is the Lord Jesus who demonstarted Proverbs 3:5 not to use our own intellect to understand his words.
The Jews who used their own iontellect to understand Jesus words. The result is Jesus is liar to them. For the Jews Jesus never did what he mentioned about the temple.
JOHN 2:13-14, 10-21
13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
 
The two trees, the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil, were in the middle of the garden. And the text says that God planted both the trees.
And it says that even after eating the knowledge tree, they could have eaten from the tree of life and live forever. So the tree of life undoes or overcomes whatever deadly effect the tree of knowledge has.
Perhaps if they would have eaten from the tree of life first, then the Lord would have told them, 'ok, you can survive eating from the tree of knowledge now'.
 
ThunderPen said:
The two trees, the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil, were in the middle of the garden. And the text says that God planted both the trees.
And it says that even after eating the knowledge tree, they could have eaten from the tree of life and live forever. So the tree of life undoes or overcomes whatever deadly effect the tree of knowledge has.
Perhaps if they would have eaten from the tree of life first, then the Lord would have told them, 'ok, you can survive eating from the tree of knowledge now'.
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Welcome to CC.

To your comments, that’s plausible, but I see no point in speculating on things that didn’t happen.
 
ThunderPen said:
The two trees, the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil, were in the middle of the garden. And the text says that God planted both the trees.
And it says that even after eating the knowledge tree, they could have eaten from the tree of life and live forever. So the tree of life undoes or overcomes whatever deadly effect the tree of knowledge has.
Perhaps if they would have eaten from the tree of life first, then the Lord would have told them, 'ok, you can survive eating from the tree of knowledge now'.
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Interesting, Ive never heard of that perspective. I've heard ideas where eating from the Tree of Life after the Tree of Knowledge would have permanently sealed Adam and Eve's fallen state without ever having a chance of being redeemed. Thus God casting them out of the garden was an act of love so that they, and humanity in general, could be purified and brought back unto Him.
 
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ThunderPen said:
The two trees, the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil, were in the middle of the garden. And the text says that God planted both the trees.
And it says that even after eating the knowledge tree, they could have eaten from the tree of life and live forever. So the tree of life undoes or overcomes whatever deadly effect the tree of knowledge has.
Perhaps if they would have eaten from the tree of life first, then the Lord would have told them, 'ok, you can survive eating from the tree of knowledge now'.
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Perhaps if they would have eaten from the tree of life first, then the Lord would have told them, 'ok, you can survive eating from the tree of knowledge now
I don't think this is possible because it contradicts on what the Lord Jesus said..
LUKE 16:13
13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
 
Godsgood said:
Perhaps if they would have eaten from the tree of life first, then the Lord would have told them, 'ok, you can survive eating from the tree of knowledge now
I don't think this is possible because it contradicts on what the Lord Jesus said..
LUKE 16:13
13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
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The devil was not the master of the tree of knowledge, God was and is. The Lord planted both the trees. The devil created nothing. The tree of knowledge was not 'the devil's tree'.

If it was then what your saying would apply. And if the Lord at some point would allow them to eat from the tree He planted, then they would be serving the Lord.
 
ThroughTheStorm said:
Interesting, Ive never heard of that perspective. I've heard ideas where eating from the Tree of Life after the Tree of Knowledge would have permanently sealed Adam and Eve's fallen state without ever having a chance of being redeemed. Thus God casting them out of the garden was an act of love so that they, and humanity in general, could be purified and brought back unto Him.
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I generally agree with that idea, also it was a demonstration of the free will system God created. It did not matter what choice they made, God would have still experienced death on humanities behalf, that was the plan from before creation.
 
ThunderPen said:
The devil was not the master of the tree of knowledge, God was and is. The Lord planted both the trees. The devil created nothing. The tree of knowledge was not 'the devil's tree'.

If it was then what your saying would apply. And if the Lord at some point would allow them to eat from the tree He planted, then they would be serving the Lord.
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Absolutely. The Lord planted the 3 trees in the Garden of Eden..
Tree #1 Good for food is okay.
Tree #2 Tree of Life is okay
Tree #3 Tree of knowledge of good and evil is forbidden.

God the Father said:
ECCLESIATES 1:9
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

In our Generation: The 3 trees are all come from God.

Garden of Eden = The words of God or The Holy Bible.

Tree #1 Good for Food (Ok). By following the words of God in literal physical could result a happy, peaceful & helpful living (Better Living)

Tree #2 Tree of Life (Ok). With the revelation of God the Father to the letter in his words could attain everlasting life.
JOHN 2:19-22
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Tree #3 Tree of Knwoledge of Good & Evil (Forbidden). God the Father forbid man to use his or her own intellect to understand God's words.
PROVERBS 3:5
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

2 PETER 1:20
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
 
Godsgood said:
Garden of Eden = The words of God or The Holy Bible.
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No, the garden of Eden was a real place.

Godsgood said:
Tree #1 Good for Food (Ok). By following the words of God in literal physical could result a happy, peaceful & helpful living (Better Living)

Tree #2 Tree of Life (Ok). With the revelation of God the Father to the letter in his words could attain everlasting life.

Tree #3 Tree of Knwoledge of Good & Evil (Forbidden). God the Father forbid man to use his or her own intellect to understand God's words.
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The trees were literal trees, not parable trees.
God did not forbid people from using our intellect; He gave it to us.

Godsgood said:
2 PETER 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
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This verse addresses the origin of prophecy; it doesn’t prohibit interpretation.
 
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