Why God the Father considered this fruit as forbidden?

[Godsgood]

No, the garden of Eden was a real place.


The trees were literal trees, not parable trees.
God did not forbid people from using our intellect; He gave it to us.


This verse addresses the origin of prophecy; it doesn’t prohibit interpretation.

The trees were literal trees, not parable trees.
It is God the Father who said it.
PSALMS 78:2
2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
EZEKIEL 20:49:
49 Then said I, Ah Lord God! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?

God did not forbid people from using our intellect; He gave it to us.
It is God the Father who gave the warning.
PROVERBS 3:5
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

When it comes to the words of God or to God or to Spiritual things, man's using his or her own intellect is forbidden.
This is the reason why, the different groups in Christianity today have their different recognition to Jesus Christ, have different doctrines and have different way of salvation. They are using their own intellect to study the words of God.

Try to understand this message of Lord Jesus by using own intellect.
Then prove that the devil is a murderer from the beginning.
JOHN 8:44
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

So what is the use of our intellect?
It should be used to our physical life so that we can have a better living.
God doesn't want the people to have a poor life style. So he encourage everyone to use own intellect in physical life.
Physical life refers to, Scientific, Politics & Economics.

This verse addresses the origin of prophecy; it doesn’t prohibit interpretation.
God is the origin of the prophecy. And so we must belive him in what he said in, Psalms 78:2, Ezekiel 20:49 & Proverbs 3:5

 

[Dino246]

The trees were literal trees, not parable trees.
It is God the Father who said it.
PSALMS 78:2
2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
EZEKIEL 20:49:
49 Then said I, Ah Lord God! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?

God did not forbid people from using our intellect; He gave it to us.
It is God the Father who gave the warning.
PROVERBS 3:5
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

When it comes to the words of God or to God or to Spiritual things, man's using his or her own intellect is forbidden.
This is the reason why, the different groups in Christianity today have their different recognition to Jesus Christ, have different doctrines and have different way of salvation. They are using their own intellect to study the words of God.

Try to understand this message of Lord Jesus by using own intellect.
Then prove that the devil is a murderer from the beginning.
JOHN 8:44
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

So what is the use of our intellect?
It should be used to our physical life so that we can have a better living.
God doesn't want the people to have a poor life style. So he encourage everyone to use own intellect in physical life.
Physical life refers to, Scientific, Politics & Economics.

This verse addresses the origin of prophecy; it doesn’t prohibit interpretation.
God is the origin of the prophecy. And so we must belive him in what he said in, Psalms 78:2, Ezekiel 20:49 & Proverbs 3:5

Since (you think) all of the Bible is parables, and (you think) we are not supposed to use our intellect, you will remain completely without understanding as to its actual content, meaning, and application.

 

[Godsgood]

Since (you think) all of the Bible is parables, and (you think) we are not supposed to use our intellect, you will remain completely without understanding as to its actual content, meaning, and application.

Let me emphasize once more that using man's intellect to understand God's words is pertaining to spiritual things only.

It is God the Father purpose to speak in parables (Psalms 78:2 & Ezekiel 20:49) so that people will depend on God. And people will not exalt themselves over God.
If people insist to understand the words of God by themselves.
This is what will happen according to the Lord Jesus.
MARK 4:12
12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Let me emphasize once more that using man's intellect to understand God's words is pertaining to spiritual things only.

It is God the Father purpose to speak in parables (Psalms 78:2 & Ezekiel 20:49) so that people will depend on God. And people will not exalt themselves over God.
If people insist to understand the words of God by themselves.
This is what will happen according to the Lord Jesus.
MARK 4:12
12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Whose intellect did you use to interpret all the verses you’ve listed so far?

 

[Dino246]

Let me emphasize once more that using man's intellect to understand God's words is pertaining to spiritual things only.

Your "emphasis" is laughable because you don't understand the most basic principles of studying Scripture.

It is God the Father purpose to speak in parables (Psalms 78:2 & Ezekiel 20:49).

No, it's not. At some times God spoke in parables. I've told you this repeatedly but you refuse to learn.

If people insist to understand the words of God by themselves.
This is what will happen according to the Lord Jesus.
MARK 4:12
12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Wrong. That was spoken about the Israelites, not about Christians who have put their faith in the atoning death of Jesus.

 

[Godsgood]

Your "emphasis" is laughable because you don't understand the most basic principles of studying Scripture.


No, it's not. At some times God spoke in parables. I've told you this repeatedly but you refuse to learn.


Wrong. That was spoken about the Israelites, not about Christians who have put their faith in the atoning death of Jesus.

Your "emphasis" is laughable because you don't understand the most basic principles of studying Scripture.
Because people are trying to study the words of God according to man's way.
They refuse to follow what God's way on how to study the words of God. And so they go to bible schools & seminaries.

It is just a basic on how to learn according to God.
JAMES 1:5-8
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

A good example is Saul of Tarsus. He followed man's way and so he studied in a bible school to Gamaliel to learn the words of God.
He considered on what he learned as dung.
PHILLIPIANS 3:7-8
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

But when he became Paul. He followed God's way in James 1:5-8
GALATIANS 1:11-12
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Because Paul followed God's way and so the Scribes & Pharisees laughed at him.
JOHN 15:21-23
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

 

[Dino246]

JAMES 1:5-8
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally

If you are "asking God, who gives wisdom liberally", then why hasn't He given you wisdom? You continue posting foolish blather in between disjointed bits of Scripture.

 

[Godsgood]

If you are "asking God, who gives wisdom liberally", then why hasn't He given you wisdom? You continue posting foolish blather in between disjointed bits of Scripture.

Because Scribes & Pharisees don't know who God the Father is.
Your accusation is the same accusation of the Scribes & Pharisees to Lord Jesus.
Scribes & Pharisees whose can't identify God the Father they hated God's way on how to learn the words of God.
According to Lord Jesus, to hate God's way is to hate God.
JOHN 15:21-23
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

 

[Dino246]

Because Scribes & Pharisees don't know who God the Father is.
Your accusation is the same accusation of the Scribes & Pharisees to Lord Jesus.
Scribes & Pharisees whose can't identify God the Father they hated God's way on how to learn the words of God.
According to Lord Jesus, to hate God's way is to hate God.
JOHN 15:21-23
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

Your answer is this: God the Father doesn’t give you wisdom because scribes and Pharisees don’t know who God the Father is.

That’s enlightened of you. I hope you come to understand it fully.

 

[ThunderPen]

Try to understand this message of Lord Jesus by using own intellect.
Then prove that the devil is a murderer from the beginning

The devil was in the snake, tricking Adam and Eve into dying, therefore a murderer.

The garden of Eden is a real place, somewhere beyond what is called Antarctica, going far enough one would reach a lush area leading into the garden. In the end, those worthy will eat from the tree of life.

 

[Godsgood]

Your "emphasis" is laughable because you don't understand the most basic principles of studying Scripture.


No, it's not. At some times God spoke in parables. I've told you this repeatedly but you refuse to learn.


Wrong. That was spoken about the Israelites, not about Christians who have put their faith in the atoning death of Jesus.

It is God the Father purpose to speak in parables (Psalms 78:2 & Ezekiel 20:49).
No, it's not. At some times God spoke in parables. I've told you this repeatedly but you refuse to learn.
I am also saying repeatedly. It is God the Father who said that he will open his mouth in parables & a dark saying of old.

And God the Father has the reason why he intentionally do that. So the people will beg to him and ask for his mercy to reveal the meaning of the parable words as Jesus did.
JOHN 2:19-21
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

What is happening in the new testament and in our generation today. The people prefer to learn the God's words from the people and not from God. And so they study in a bible schools & seminaries.

 

[Godsgood]

The devil was in the snake, tricking Adam and Eve into dying, therefore a murderer.

The garden of Eden is a real place, somewhere beyond what is called Antarctica, going far enough one would reach a lush area leading into the garden. In the end, those worthy will eat from the tree of life.

The devil was in the snake, tricking Adam and Eve into dying, therefore a murderer.
When Adam & Eve ate the forbidden fruit. I don't see that they were dying in fact upon eating the forbidden fruit they became wise. Because they noticed that they are naked.

The question remains. Where in the holy bible that the devil murdered anyone?

 

[Godsgood]

If you are "asking God, who gives wisdom liberally", then why hasn't He given you wisdom? You continue posting foolish blather in between disjointed bits of Scripture.

If anyone doesn't know who God the Father is. He is considered as natural man. Even the wisdom from God is foolishness unto him.
1 CORINTHIANS 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Dino246]

It is God the Father purpose to speak in parables. Ezekiel 20:49

I suspect you have not examined this verse carefully. It is not saying that God speaks in parables.

Where in the Bible does it say that God ALWAYS speaks in parables?

 

[Godsgood]

I suspect you have not examined this verse carefully. It is not saying that God speaks in parables.

Where in the Bible does it say that God ALWAYS speaks in parables?

Because the holy bible has been translated in different laguages that a man understand language like the American read the words of God in English.
A Spaniard read the words of God in Spanish.
They believe that they understand the words of God.

But God the Father said he is speaking in Parable.

I am always posting the verse when God said that he open his mouth in parable and utter dark saying of old.
For the benefits of the other readers let me post it again.

Where in the Bible does it say that God ALWAYS speaks in parables?
PSALMS 78:2
2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

 

[Dino246]

PSALMS 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

Where in that verse does it say, imply, or even hint the concept of “always”?

 

[Godsgood]

Where in that verse does it say, imply, or even hint the concept of “always”?

Where in that verse does it say, imply, or even hint the concept of “always”
And where in that verse does it say, imply or even hint the concept of "sometimes" as you interpret.

Where in that verse does it say, imply, or even hint the concept of “always”
Is it not understandable the word "I will open my mouth"?

 

[Dino246]

And where in that verse does it say, imply or even hint the concept of "sometimes" as you interpret.

Since you can't understand the implications of your wacky belief, I will explain them to you.

2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that ALL Scripture is God-breathed, as though He Himself had spoken it.

If God is ALWAYS speaking in parables, then when He says, "I will open my mouth in a parable", then THAT STATEMENT is itself a parable. Since God "breathed out" Scripture, we cannot take ANYTHING in the Bible literally.

So when God says, "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding", that too is a parable and cannot be taken at face value.

That means NOTHING in the Bible can be understood directly. ZERO.

When Jonathan ate honey, it was a parable. When Job suffered, it was a parable. When Amnon raped Tamar, it was a parable. When Peter preached in Acts 2, it was a parable. When Cornelius accepted Jesus, it was a parable.

Jesus didn't even die on the cross, because that too is a parable.

Do you see the complete lunacy of your position?

 

[Godsgood]

Since you can't understand the implications of your wacky belief, I will explain them to you.

2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that ALL Scripture is God-breathed, as though He Himself had spoken it.

If God is ALWAYS speaking in parables, then when He says, "I will open my mouth in a parable", then THAT STATEMENT is itself a parable. Since God "breathed out" Scripture, we cannot take ANYTHING in the Bible literally.

So when God says, "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding", that too is a parable and cannot be taken at face value.

That means NOTHING in the Bible can be understood directly. ZERO.

When Jonathan ate honey, it was a parable. When Job suffered, it was a parable. When Amnon raped Tamar, it was a parable. When Peter preached in Acts 2, it was a parable. When Cornelius accepted Jesus, it was a parable.

Jesus didn't even die on the cross, because that too is a parable.

Do you see the complete lunacy of your position?

A good demonstration is the Lord Jesus as he said he is speaking in parables..
MARK 4:34
34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

Imagine if the book of John has ended in John 2:20 only.
Let us read John 2:13-20 carefully and understand it by using man's intellect.
JOHN 2:13:20
13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

What would the temple being mention by Lord Jesus?

The Scribes & Pharisees who studied the words of God in their bible schools believe that Jesus is not speaking in parable because on that time they are in the literal temple.
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

Even Jesus disciples thought that Jesus is refering to literal temple where they are.
17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.

No one in there believed that the Temple Jesus mentioned is a parable.

What is the purpose of Jesus in speaking in parables?

 

[Dino246]

A good demonstration is the Lord Jesus as he said he is speaking in parables..
MARK 4:34
34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

Imagine if the book of John has ended in John 2:20 only.
Let us read John 2:13-20 carefully and understand it by using man's intellect.
JOHN 2:13:20
13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

What would the temple being mention by Lord Jesus?

The Scribes & Pharisees who studied the words of God in their bible schools believe that Jesus is not speaking in parable because on that time they are in the literal temple.
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

Even Jesus disciples thought that Jesus is refering to literal temple where they are.
17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.

No one in there believed that the Temple Jesus mentioned is a parable.

What is the purpose of Jesus in speaking in parables?

Your post tells me that you don’t understand what I wrote, or don’t care. Your chosen ignorance is on your head.