Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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sawdust said:
We will all give account on The Day. Until then, it is to be done through those in authority (in this instance moderators) and not through constantly judging each other.

If you or anyone wants wants to do some "telling off" then the best place to start is with oneself for once one turns it out to others, there will be no end, as we are all guilty in some way at some point.

There is also the problem that in many instances (and I'm talking generally about this form of communication) that attitudes are misunderstood and are not what people perceive them to be.

Ultimately, it is best to simply ignore the people we "clash" with to avoid unnecessary stress and not pander to people's emotional outbursts. :)
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yep I don't expect anything less from you, to say because people get annoyed, it's there problem not mine, even tho youve encourage genez to annoy people and annoy people in the first place,. As well, you've never taken account for your actions here either.

And this post just proves you don't,
 
cv5 said:
No Blain, I am not "not a Christian" just because you are not the boss of me.
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Your not acting like a Christian I am not saying your not a Christian but your not acting like it and you need to rethink how treat people you are lucky I am not a mod or else you would not be allowed to treat others as you have
 
Genez said:
If you want to learn what the Scriptures actually reveal?
R.B. Thieme is a good source.

If you want commentary on every day life and current issues?
Then (from what I can see - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseCmvPMpcyL456F6Gm2FWw ) Troy Brewer is your man.

They are entirely different.
One teaches sound doctrine as his gift.

Your choice.
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Thieme certainly has much to say that is edifying.
I don't agree with everything he opines, but hearing him is definitely worthwhile.
I have learned much.

His take on "predestination" is a bit awkward and clumsy, but definitely anti-Calvinist so that is correct.
His take on election is spot on though.

Glad that he made the break from the standard dogmatic position of most of his peers at DTS.
 
sawdust said:
You do not seem to be understanding what I'm saying. It is not about leaning on ones own reasoning, it is about bringing one's reasoning to the word of God and using the brain God gave us under the filling of the Spirit.

Can you honestly sit there and tell me you do not think about what the scriptures are saying? I'm sure you do think and I suspect at times, think quite deeply.

Psalm 1:2b
And in His law he meditates day and night.



I have explained this. It is not the Spirit speaking to us directly (except maybe on rare occasions) but it is the Spirit recalling to our mind the word we have learned. If we do not know the word then the Spirit is not speaking to us, it is our own imagining which is why we must bring our thoughts to the word to verify their veracity. All the Spirit speaks to me comes into my mind via the word.

John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

This is how we hear the Spirit. It is not some random thinking that simply pops into our head or some rightness we sense in our heart.

If you are feeling some type of "movement" in the organ we call our heart then I cannot recommend strong enough for you to go see a doctor.
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Ok well I think I get what your saying but at the same time while yes we can ponder on the scriptures with out minds the understanding part should come from the spirit which is why we must conform our minds to the spirit which I believe you are saying so I apolgize for misunderstnading
 
Blain said:
Your not acting like a Christian I am not saying your not a Christian but your not acting like it and you need to rethink how treat people you are lucky I am not a mod or else you would not be allowed to treat others as you have
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him genez kroogz and sawdust are just pointing the finger at others to justify themselves,

Its what people do who done take account for there own actions,
 
cv5 said:
Thieme certainly has much to say that is edifying.
I don't agree with everything he opines, but hearing him is definitely worthwhile.
I have learned much.

His take on "predestination" is a bit awkward and clumsy, but definitely anti-Calvinist so that is correct.
His take on election is spot on though.

Glad that he made the break from the standard dogmatic position of most of his peers at DTS.
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Interesting thing is...

He feeds us with accurate raw data to be able to see what it is that he is failing to see.
An accurate translation is essential for doing that.
And, he supplies a very accurate translation to be able to think with.

He teaches his students what they would need to know to be able to make corrections for a few of his wrong conclusions.
For the most part, he is light years ahead of the average pastor out there.

A scholar who was associated with Harvard (during WW2) taught at a Bible college I attended, told me he used Thieme to study from.
RB Thieme was no lightweight contender.

As long as we do not think that we have to master what he is saying when he goes into the technical aspects, we will be able to be privy to the gold, silver, and precious stones he was digging out from the Greek and Hebrew texts.

One day he explained to us that the technical aspects of his exegesis were intended for the study by the many pastors who were ordering his messages. Not so much, for us. Some get rattled by that when it happens, and have felt that they are too stupid to learn from him. That is not the case, though.

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Blain said:
Ok well I think I get what your saying but at the same time while yes we can ponder on the scriptures with out minds the understanding part should come from the spirit which is why we must conform our minds to the spirit which I believe you are saying so I apolgize for misunderstnading
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No need to apologize. It can be difficult sometimes to convey ideas especially in this media and I dare say your sight difficulties do not help the situation for you.

May the Lord bless and keep you. :)

grace and peace.
 
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Genez said:
One day he explained to us that the technical aspects of his exegesis were intended for the study by the many pastors who were ordering his messages. Not so much, for us. Some get rattled by that when it happens, and have felt that they are too stupid to learn from him. That is not the case, though.
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I know of what you speak however it never rattled me as I knew what I missed on the swings (technical exegesis) I would catch up on the roundabout (practical application). :LOL:
 
Genez said:
Interesting thing is...

He feeds us with accurate raw data to be able to see what it is that he is failing to see.
An accurate translation is essential for doing that.
And, he supplies a very accurate translation to be able to think with.

He teaches his students what they would need to know to be able to make corrections for a few of his wrong conclusions.
For the most part, he is light years ahead of the average pastor out there.

A scholar who was associated with Harvard (during WW2) taught at a Bible college I attended, told me he used Thieme to study from.
RB Thieme was no lightweight contender.

As long as we do not think that we have to master what he is saying when he goes into the technical aspects, we will be able to be privy to the gold, silver, and precious stones he was digging out from the Greek and Hebrew texts.

One day he explained to us that the technical aspects of his exegesis were intended for the study by the many pastors who were ordering his messages. Not so much, for us. Some get rattled by that when it happens, and have felt that they are too stupid to learn from him. That is not the case, though. .......
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Yes, RBT was good, and I learned a lot (c. 1976-78), but I thought he spent too much time telling us what the KJV meant,
so I wished he taught beginning with a modern English version. You speak of him in the present tense; is he still alive?
 
Genez said:
Interesting thing is...

He feeds us with accurate raw data to be able to see what it is that he is failing to see.
An accurate translation is essential for doing that.
And, he supplies a very accurate translation to be able to think with.

He teaches his students what they would need to know to be able to make corrections for a few of his wrong conclusions.
For the most part, he is light years ahead of the average pastor out there.

A scholar who was associated with Harvard (during WW2) taught at a Bible college I attended, told me he used Thieme to study from.
RB Thieme was no lightweight contender.

As long as we do not think that we have to master what he is saying when he goes into the technical aspects, we will be able to be privy to the gold, silver, and precious stones he was digging out from the Greek and Hebrew texts.

One day he explained to us that the technical aspects of his exegesis were intended for the study by the many pastors who were ordering his messages. Not so much, for us. Some get rattled by that when it happens, and have felt that they are too stupid to learn from him. That is not the case, though.

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The technical aspects of his exegesis is the main reason that I persist in hearing is work.
 
Blain said:
Ok well I think I get what your saying but at the same time while yes we can ponder on the scriptures with out minds the understanding part should come from the spirit which is why we must conform our minds to the spirit which I believe you are saying so I apolgize for misunderstnading
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How can you ponder the Scriptures when the translation is one dimensional and weak?

Here is one example that I learned about concerning this important this principle of translations.

For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. ​
It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to ​
live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age. Titus 2:11-12​
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After reading that passage?

I will now ask you.

How would you say? Does the grace of God teach us to deny ungodliness?

Take your time.

Ponder as much as you desire.
 
GWH said:
Yes, RBT was good, and I learned a lot (c. 1976-78), but I thought he spent too much time telling us what the KJV meant,
so I wished he taught beginning with a modern English version. You speak of him in the present tense; is he still alive?
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R. B. Thieme Jr. ("the Colonel") retired in 2003 after 53 years of service at Berachah Church.
He died in 2009 at age 91.
 
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Jordon said:
him genez kroogz and sawdust are just pointing the finger at others to justify themselves,

Its what people do who done take account for there own actions,
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Well there certainly is a lot of pointing finngers and each side seems to think the other side is in the wrong but from what I have seen so far and granted I have been mia for a good while they have been acting ill mannerred at least some of them sawdust I have not seen acting this way Genez I have not seen doing to much but cv5 is the main one making all the problems and then those who side with him are mainly pointing the finger to you

But we are all adults here and we need to start acting like it I can forgive everything if we all agree to start treating each other better, btw I sent you a message did you get it?
 
GWH said:
Yes, RBT was good, and I learned a lot (c. 1976-78), but I thought he spent too much time telling us what the KJV meant,
so I wished he taught beginning with a modern English version. You speak of him in the present tense; is he still alive?
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No, he has gone home to be with the Lord but his messages live on.
 
Genez said:
How can you ponder the Scriptures when the translation is one dimensional and weak?

Here is one example that I learned about concerning this important this principle of translations.

For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. ​
It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to ​
live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age. Titus 2:11-12​
​
After reading that passage?

I will now ask you.

How would you say? Does the grace of God teach us to deny ungodliness?

Take your time.

Ponder as much as you desire.
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I am not sure what your getting at with this passage it reads fine to me how is translation an issue? it it true however that if one read the bible in their original language the word of God opens up like you wouldn't believe but the word of God is not limited to mans translation

If this was the case then the bibles we have would be useless but I have personally seen the power the scriptures have regardless of translation
 
sawdust said:
I know of what you speak however it never rattled me as I knew what I missed on the swings (technical exegesis) I would catch up on the roundabout (practical application). :LOL:
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"Swings?" As in schoolyard, playground swings? :unsure:

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cv5 said:
The technical aspects of his exegesis is the main reason that I persist in hearing is work.
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That is why he gave it.
For those with your gift.

As for me?
I gave me confidence to know how intelligent my pastor is.
 
Blain said:
Well there certainly is a lot of pointing finngers and each side seems to think the other side is in the wrong but from what I have seen so far and granted I have been mia for a good while they have been acting ill mannerred at least some of them sawdust I have not seen acting this way Genez I have not seen doing to much but cv5 is the main one making all the problems and then those who side with him are mainly pointing the finger to you

But we are all adults here and we need to start acting like it I can forgive everything if we all agree to start treating each other better, btw I sent you a message did you get it?
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all three of them have ganged up magenta
 
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