An accurate answer can be achieved ff you tell it to limit it's response to what is recorded in the bible. Otherwise, it will just list various dominational interpretations.
FOUNDATION, the 12 apostles or Pauls?
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It could well be that I've confused you with someone else and for that I apologize but it always happens that I'm bombarded by opinions when discussing this matters. Not an excuse, just an explanation. Where do you think our common ground ight lie? I will make every effort to focus on your posts as you seem quite reasonable.
Thank you, I appreciate this
As you said, you prefer truth and nothing from Rome
How about this?
The English word Church as used today for the people. Was it not the word "Ecclesia" that was changed to the word Church?
I see in Greek the word Church is not the Ecclesia
Church was translated from the greek and in Greek means building
The Greek word "Ecclesia" means "the called out ones"
There are many errors, translated through out the English Bible. and for me, I seek discernment in it all. To be wise as a serpent and remain harmless s a dove, as truth only Father and Son as won can reveal 1 John 2:27 to me at least and all his kids
thanks for your answers in your sharing of what you have gotten out of this as well
Fellowship is best
Actually AI is good at weeding out denomination beliefs. Note AI response when being limited to the Word of God:
I asked, "Did the apostles water baptize anyone using the phrase, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Ghost."
It's reponse:
No, the Bible's account in the book of Acts shows the apostles consistently baptizing people "in the name of Jesus Christ" or "in the name of the Lord Jesus," rather than the specific Trinitarian formula "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" from Matthew 28:19. While Jesus commanded the Trinitarian formula, the apostles' practice focused on baptism into Jesus, which early church writings and theology explain as embodying the authority and work of the entire Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).
Key Points from Scripture & Early Church:
- Jesus' Command: In Matthew 28:19, Jesus told His disciples to baptize "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost".
- Apostolic Practice: The book of Acts records several baptisms (e.g., Acts 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5) where people were baptized "in the name of Jesus" or "into Jesus Christ".
- Reconciling the Difference: The common understanding is that baptizing in Jesus' name signifies identification with His death, burial, and resurrection, thereby invoking the authority and presence of the entire Trinity, as Jesus embodies the fullness of God (Colossians 2:9). (I bolded the above for emphasis)
Note it did include the following, but clarified it as teaching from an uninspired source. As such, it reveals the practice to be outside what the bible actually teaches.
- Early Church Confirmation: Early Christian writings, like the Didache (an early church manual) and Ignatius of Antioch, also mention the Trinitarian formula for baptism, suggesting continuity with Jesus' command.
Thank You, very kind.
I too seek Truth. of which there is very little these days.
I learned decades ago translators translate according to their beliefs and now thanks to commentaries and concordances with a little effort we can get closer to the truth.
One other fact I have learned the Greek language is abstract. no mental image.
Whereas Hebrew words do have mental images, such as rock, mountain, king
Which is why, I believe, Christ used the Greek so we would end up with 40,000 favors of christianity.
Once Christ returns the "Books" will be open, open to our understanding.
You can read my mind, I love it your just like JESUS.
I will leave it at this, which is the MOST IMPORTANT thing being REBORN and Heaven bound.
JESUS says we be born of water and of spitit TO ENTER in John 3:5.
Peter the one with the keys says this in the first message preached in Jersulam.
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
So HIS word is clear, need to be bapitzed in JESUS name and need JESUS to fill us with HIS spirit to ENTER.
What good in the rest of HIS word if you don't know the author and HE doesn't' know you?
To me Believe, Son is risen for all, not a few, All, to choose belief to God in risen Son for them to be taught new from God 1 John 2:27
Believe, receive and eventually see, not quitting belief in Col 1:21-23 John 1:29, John 19:30, Psalm 103:12
New life is in the risen Son, given to each person that will not quit belief to God Father as Son is risen for them to grow up new in the love and mercy given them. It can and has taken time for me to see this truth, yet still am in process and am not perfect, God is and so I stand in thanks giving and praise over this done work of Son for us all 1 John 2:1-27
You misunderstand, Thanks, we do not see the same, I trust by God you are saved by God not self or any other person or religion(s)
I* stand in the done work of Son as risen where Father gives new life in each person to love all the same thank you
Thank you, what do you think?
These fokes asked that same quetions to Peter, look at his reply.
Acts 2:37-39
King James Version
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
What do you think of Peters reply.
No worries.
I first responded to your post with this regarding the scriptures and their usefulness:
I am not a Sola Scriptura guy. The scriptures actually say that SOMEONE has "all authority in heaven and on earth". I also fully reject the "Just Me and Jesus" version of Christianity typically seen in the Sunday boxes. Measures of authority are given, by the Lord, to believers. A doctrine that rejects anyone having authority over another ironically rejects the clear meaning of scripture here:
"Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account..."
A simple study of all related scriptures reveal what I stated is the truth. (Ps. 119:160)
What you accept or reject is entirely up to you.
Yes, as being baptized in water was for Jews to prepare them for the coming Messiah. And I stand corrected regarding it being for remission of sin but that is not how our sins are pardoned now. Being baptized into Christ's death is for remission of sin and that occurs when we are baptized with the Holy Spirit. Christ's death is for our remission of sin.
Matthew 26:28
For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Romans 6:2-3
2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
You don't forget memories, one forgets events, conversations, faces etc. Memories are what one remembers.
And what followed in your post didn't help at all, it just muddied the water. Peter realised that being baptized in the Spirit was all that was necessary. We do not add anything to remit our sins, that is the work of Christ and we are incorporated into that work when we believe on His name and are baptized with the Holy Spirit.
Peter getting it wrong is a blessing because it gives us hope for our own mistakes as no-ones theology is perfect.
In Acts 15, Peter reveals God used him to present the gospel message to the Gentiles. This confirms both Jews and Gentiles heard the same message that required their obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin. (Peter revealed this to Jews in Acts 2:38)
In Acts 11, Peter reveals that if he had not offered to water baptize the Gentiles he would have withstood the purposes of God to grant them repentance unto life. Keep in mind repentance requires an act of turning to God. The first act is obedience to God's command of water baptism in the name of Jesus.
You read into those passages things I do not see. Water is no longer the method of pardoning sins. Peter says nothing about "had he not offered water baptism", if anything he is saying the opposite when he remembers what the lord said about baptism.
Matthew 26:28
For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
The command is indeed to be baptized into the name of Jesus for it His death and resurrection that pardons our sin and gives us life but there is no mention of water. In fact, scripture states it would occur through a new means as John predicted and as Christ said it would occur.
Matthew 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Acts 1:5
for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
Yes, as being baptized in water was for Jews to prepare them for the coming Messiah. And I stand corrected regarding it being for remission of sin but that is not how our sins are pardoned now. Being baptized into Christ's death is for remission of sin and that occurs when we are baptized with the Holy Spirit. Christ's death is for our remission of sin.
Matthew 26:28
For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Romans 6:2-3
2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
You don't forget memories, one forgets events, conversations, faces etc. Memories are what one remembers.
And what followed in your post didn't help at all, it just muddied the water. Peter realised that being baptized in the Spirit was all that was necessary. We do not add anything to remit our sins, that is the work of Christ and we are incorporated into that work when we believe on His name and are baptized with the Holy Spirit.
Peter getting it wrong is a blessing because it gives us hope for our own mistakes as no-ones theology is perfect.
Ok so show me where are sins are remitted when we are filled with the Holy
Ghost.
4 different times in the NT when someone was filled they spoke in tongues, Acts 2,8,10 and 19.
You know something I don't, help me out.
If Peter KNEW that the only thing was necessary why did he COMMAND them to be baptized?
So two questions, thank you.
You read my post? Show me where I said I don't belive the below, what you say I don't belive.
You don't believe Jesus when he says eat my flesh and drink my blood. You don't believe Jesus when he says, Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone's sins they are forgiven if you retain anyone's sins they are retained.