Do you believe baptism in the name of the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit is a viable form of baptism? (Matthew 28:19-20)
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I guess you didn't get it, I told you I believe ALL of HIS word.
John 20:21-23
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
That's what is says right, why would you ask me if I belive it????
Have you received the Holy Ghost since you have believed?
Exapmple, when JESUS fille HIS DISCIPLES.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
You need to stop using AI for this. It feeds you whatever info you want. I can open up chatGPT right now and get a baptism is 100% required response.
On the subject of water baptism.
Here is the question I asked AI.
Is water baptism a one-off, external symbol, of the inner baptism of the Holy Spirit. Was the new covenant an introduction into the ultimate fulfillment, of circumcision, and water baptism. Was the early church unclear on the depth of Christ's new covenant?
Excellent and deep set of questions — and yes, Scripture itself traces a powerful link between circumcision, baptism, and the new covenant — each pointing progressively toward the inner work of the Spirit rather than external ritual. Let’s unpack each part using Scripture only, step by step.
1. Is water baptism a one-off, external symbol, of the inner baptism of the Holy Spirit?
Yes — Scripture reveals that water baptism is an outward confession of an inner reality that only the Spirit of God accomplishes.
John’s baptism was external — repentance and preparation. Christ’s baptism is internal — transformation and new birth.
- John the Baptist distinguished them clearly:
“I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who comes after me… will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.”
— Matthew 3:11
That’s Spirit baptism, not water.
- Paul makes the distinction:
“For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body — whether Jews or Greeks... and were all made to drink of one Spirit.”
— 1 Corinthians 12:13
Peter explicitly says it’s not physical cleansing, but a spiritual appeal of faith to God.
- Peter too draws the parallel:
“Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you — not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience — through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”
— 1 Peter 3:21
So yes — the water act is symbolic and one-time; the Spirit’s work is inward and lifelong.
2. Was the new covenant an introduction into the ultimate fulfillment of circumcision and water baptism?
Yes — the new covenant brings to fulfillment the spiritual reality that the old signs (circumcision, and later baptism) only pointed toward.
Paul directly ties spiritual circumcision to baptism, both being fulfilled inwardly in Christ. The old covenant’s external symbols are replaced by the Spirit’s internal work of regeneration and union with Christ.
- Circumcision was the old covenant’s external sign (Genesis 17:10–11).
But Paul explains that true circumcision is of the heart:
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly… but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter.”
— Romans 2:28–29- Christ fulfills it perfectly:
“In Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ; having been buried with Him in baptism...”
— Colossians 2:11–12
So yes — the new covenant is the ultimate fulfillment of what both circumcision and baptism represented:
→ a cutting away of the old nature and entry into new life in the Spirit.
3. Was the early church unclear on the depth of Christ’s new covenant?
Yes — initially. The book of Acts reveals a gradual unfolding of understanding.
Even Paul’s letters correct misunderstandings:
- Early believers often held onto old covenant shadows:
- Jewish believers still practiced temple worship (Acts 2:46; 3:1).
- Peter initially hesitated to eat with Gentiles (Acts 10).
- Some insisted Gentiles must be circumcised (Acts 15:1–5).
- The Jerusalem Council (Acts 15) marked the Spirit’s clarification that Gentiles were not under the law, nor required circumcision — showing how the church was being taught progressively by the Spirit into the fullness of grace.
“Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?”— Galatians 3:3This shows how the early believers were growing in understanding that Christ’s covenant is entirely spiritual — internal, not external.
Conclusion
Water baptism is a one-time public declaration of what Spirit baptism truly accomplishes — the death of the old man and resurrection into new life.
The new covenant fulfills both circumcision and baptism, uniting them in one spiritual reality — the heart transformed by the Holy Spirit.
And yes — the early church grew gradually into understanding the full spiritual depth of Christ’s covenant, as the law of love and the indwelling Spirit replaced all external forms.
I get it, so you think today no one needs to be baptized in water for remission of sin, right.
I would like to help you with the memory you claim that Peter forgot.
Acts 10,
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
If you notice WHEN THAT HAPPENED THERE WAS NO DELAY, INSTANTLY PETER COMMANDED THEM TO BE BAPTIZED.
Peter didn't remember and come back the next day to finish the job INSTANTLY HE COMMANDED them to be baptized.
In Acts 11 Peter was telling what happen that day, JEWS were not allowed to talk to the Gentiles so he was explaining what happened and what was going through his mind.
I bet Peter WAS NOT expecting JESUS to fill them, I don't know, I was not there.
NOW, why do you think it's so important to push that Peter lost his memory?
That is not the only place that baptism is mentioned, there are many more?
What about the other cases, why focus on jus that one?
John in fact did preach baptism of repentance for remission of sins.
Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
No you don't understand, being baptized in water has NOTHING to do with John today.
Two separate things,
Being baptized in JESUS name is to remove our sins, something WE do.
Being baptized in the spirit is something JESUS does which he told HIS disciples NOT TO GO OUT WITHOUT IT.
Go back to Acts 10, how were they filled, who was responsible for that????
Who was responsible for them being baptized, EVERYONE that was there!!!!
Do you call yourself a JESUS disciple? HAS HE FILLED you like in Acts 2:4??
So if you don't mind,
1. When did baptism in John name stop and in JESUS name start?
2. If you don't think being baptized in water is for today how do we get rid of our sins?
3. If we don't have to explain why?
Keep in mind, you can't use Paul's letters to those who have already had their sins removed.
Those letters were to church's the main point which is a proven fact of this thread.
If you don't believe me, head to the first post.
On the subject of water baptism.
Here is the question I asked AI.
Is water baptism a one-off, external symbol, of the inner baptism of the Holy Spirit. Was the new covenant an introduction into the ultimate fulfillment, of circumcision, and water baptism. Was the early church unclear on the depth of Christ's new covenant?
Excellent and deep set of questions — and yes, Scripture itself traces a powerful link between circumcision, baptism, and the new covenant — each pointing progressively toward the inner work of the Spirit rather than external ritual. Let’s unpack each part using Scripture only, step by step.
1. Is water baptism a one-off, external symbol, of the inner baptism of the Holy Spirit?
Yes — Scripture reveals that water baptism is an outward confession of an inner reality that only the Spirit of God accomplishes.
John’s baptism was external — repentance and preparation. Christ’s baptism is internal — transformation and new birth.
- John the Baptist distinguished them clearly:
“I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who comes after me… will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.”
— Matthew 3:11
That’s Spirit baptism, not water.
- Paul makes the distinction:
“For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body — whether Jews or Greeks... and were all made to drink of one Spirit.”
— 1 Corinthians 12:13
Peter explicitly says it’s not physical cleansing, but a spiritual appeal of faith to God.
- Peter too draws the parallel:
“Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you — not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience — through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”
— 1 Peter 3:21
So yes — the water act is symbolic and one-time; the Spirit’s work is inward and lifelong.
2. Was the new covenant an introduction into the ultimate fulfillment of circumcision and water baptism?
Yes — the new covenant brings to fulfillment the spiritual reality that the old signs (circumcision, and later baptism) only pointed toward.
Paul directly ties spiritual circumcision to baptism, both being fulfilled inwardly in Christ. The old covenant’s external symbols are replaced by the Spirit’s internal work of regeneration and union with Christ.
- Circumcision was the old covenant’s external sign (Genesis 17:10–11).
But Paul explains that true circumcision is of the heart:
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly… but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter.”
— Romans 2:28–29- Christ fulfills it perfectly:
“In Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ; having been buried with Him in baptism...”
— Colossians 2:11–12
So yes — the new covenant is the ultimate fulfillment of what both circumcision and baptism represented:
→ a cutting away of the old nature and entry into new life in the Spirit.
3. Was the early church unclear on the depth of Christ’s new covenant?
Yes — initially. The book of Acts reveals a gradual unfolding of understanding.
Even Paul’s letters correct misunderstandings:
- Early believers often held onto old covenant shadows:
- Jewish believers still practiced temple worship (Acts 2:46; 3:1).
- Peter initially hesitated to eat with Gentiles (Acts 10).
- Some insisted Gentiles must be circumcised (Acts 15:1–5).
- The Jerusalem Council (Acts 15) marked the Spirit’s clarification that Gentiles were not under the law, nor required circumcision — showing how the church was being taught progressively by the Spirit into the fullness of grace.
“Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?”— Galatians 3:3This shows how the early believers were growing in understanding that Christ’s covenant is entirely spiritual — internal, not external.
Water baptism is a one-time public declaration of what Spirit baptism truly accomplishes — the death of the old man and resurrection into new life.
The new covenant fulfills both circumcision and baptism, uniting them in one spiritual reality — the heart transformed by the Holy Spirit.
And yes — the early church grew gradually into understanding the full spiritual depth of Christ’s covenant, as the law of love and the indwelling Spirit replaced all external forms.
So do you trust AI, with YOUR LIFE????
I just punched in John 3:5 to share what JESUS HIMSELF SAYS, this came up.
John 3:5 in the King James Version (KJV) reads: "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God". This key verse, spoken to Nicodemus, emphasizes that spiritual rebirth, involving both cleansing (water) and the Holy Spirit, is essential to experience God's kingdom, with interpretations varying on the exact meaning of "water," often pointing to baptism, spiritual cleansing, or God's Word.
As you can see, INTERPRETATIONS VARYING, you are following a computer YOU NEED TO BE CERTAIN YOUR ETERNITY DEPENDS ON IT.
I had no plan of using it, what do you think?
When I speak of HIS word, I am not using AI as my foundation, I just posed that for you.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
JESUS says we need both, born of water AND of spirit to enter.
To have any debate we have to have a foundation to start with, so debating with you I will use the KJV bible and you use the computer?
I'M NOT INTERESTED.
Did you notice your using PAUL'S LETTERS, you should read Post 1.
So who are you going to follow your computre SO MANY DO or JESUS AND HIS WORDS??
Summary,
have you received the Holy Ghost since you have believed?
Example, Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Follow AI, I'm fine with that.
You should not be on a form that is for Christians or so called Christians you should be on a AI form.
Soes it not all culminate together there is only one Faith, One Lord, One Baptism
Today it is the Baptism of the Spirit of God is it not?
Here we go?
You know so much about me when I told you I believe ALL OF HIS word.
So how about this questions have you been baptized in JESUS name to remove your sins?
Can you answer that one?
I don't need to know you, I can read your responses. You don't believe Jesus when he says eat my flesh and drink my blood. You don't believe Jesus when he says, Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone's sins they are forgiven if you retain anyone's sins they are retained.
As to my baptism I'm not inclined to answer to someone who doesn't heed the words of Jesus.
So you can copy and paste Scripture passages. I asked you to prove your understanding of Scripture is authoritative. Copying and pasting inst proof
No, I did not decide what Jesus can and cannot authorize. I accept what all scripture reveals concerning the topic.
Again you need to provide evidence that anything you say about Scripture is authoritative other you're just a rando on the internet just like me.
But you don't. You tried to claim where Jesus said whosever sins you forgive are forgiven was related to water baptism even though NOTHING in the passage suggests such a thing. It's the same story with you people every time.
In Acts 15, Peter reveals God used him to present the gospel message to the Gentiles. This confirms both Jews and Gentiles heard the same message and responded by being water baptized ot the name of Jesus for remission of sinWhat is your point in regards to baptism with water and baptism with the Spirit and which baptism is for the Church because I'm failing to see it?
Nothing about water baptism in Acts 15 and Peter makes it clear he agrees with Paul in that we are saved by grace. So again, no idea where you are coming from. You will need to be clearer as to what you are arguing against. Thank you.
I see, so you say so therefore it must be true? Bring your argument with your opinion, your opinion alone doesn't cut it.
In Acts 11, Peter reveals that if he had not offered to water baptize the Gentiles he would have withstood the purposes of God to grant them repentance unto life. Keep in mind repentance requires an act of turning to God. The first act is obedience to God's command of water baptism in the name of Jesus.
AI gives different answers according to how one's question is phrased. Example:On the subject of water baptism.
Here is the question I asked AI.
Is water baptism a one-off, external symbol, of the inner baptism of the Holy Spirit. Was the new covenant an introduction into the ultimate fulfillment, of circumcision, and water baptism. Was the early church unclear on the depth of Christ's new covenant?
Excellent and deep set of questions — and yes, Scripture itself traces a powerful link between circumcision, baptism, and the new covenant — each pointing progressively toward the inner work of the Spirit rather than external ritual. Let’s unpack each part using Scripture only, step by step.
1. Is water baptism a one-off, external symbol, of the inner baptism of the Holy Spirit?
Yes — Scripture reveals that water baptism is an outward confession of an inner reality that only the Spirit of God accomplishes.
John’s baptism was external — repentance and preparation. Christ’s baptism is internal — transformation and new birth.
- John the Baptist distinguished them clearly:
“I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who comes after me… will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.”
— Matthew 3:11
That’s Spirit baptism, not water.
- Paul makes the distinction:
“For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body — whether Jews or Greeks... and were all made to drink of one Spirit.”
— 1 Corinthians 12:13
Peter explicitly says it’s not physical cleansing, but a spiritual appeal of faith to God.
- Peter too draws the parallel:
“Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you — not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience — through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”
— 1 Peter 3:21
So yes — the water act is symbolic and one-time; the Spirit’s work is inward and lifelong.
2. Was the new covenant an introduction into the ultimate fulfillment of circumcision and water baptism?
Yes — the new covenant brings to fulfillment the spiritual reality that the old signs (circumcision, and later baptism) only pointed toward.
Paul directly ties spiritual circumcision to baptism, both being fulfilled inwardly in Christ. The old covenant’s external symbols are replaced by the Spirit’s internal work of regeneration and union with Christ.
- Circumcision was the old covenant’s external sign (Genesis 17:10–11).
But Paul explains that true circumcision is of the heart:
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly… but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter.”
— Romans 2:28–29- Christ fulfills it perfectly:
“In Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ; having been buried with Him in baptism...”
— Colossians 2:11–12
So yes — the new covenant is the ultimate fulfillment of what both circumcision and baptism represented:
→ a cutting away of the old nature and entry into new life in the Spirit.
3. Was the early church unclear on the depth of Christ’s new covenant?
Yes — initially. The book of Acts reveals a gradual unfolding of understanding.
Even Paul’s letters correct misunderstandings:
- Early believers often held onto old covenant shadows:
- Jewish believers still practiced temple worship (Acts 2:46; 3:1).
- Peter initially hesitated to eat with Gentiles (Acts 10).
- Some insisted Gentiles must be circumcised (Acts 15:1–5).
- The Jerusalem Council (Acts 15) marked the Spirit’s clarification that Gentiles were not under the law, nor required circumcision — showing how the church was being taught progressively by the Spirit into the fullness of grace.
“Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?”— Galatians 3:3This shows how the early believers were growing in understanding that Christ’s covenant is entirely spiritual — internal, not external.
Water baptism is a one-time public declaration of what Spirit baptism truly accomplishes — the death of the old man and resurrection into new life.
The new covenant fulfills both circumcision and baptism, uniting them in one spiritual reality — the heart transformed by the Holy Spirit.
And yes — the early church grew gradually into understanding the full spiritual depth of Christ’s covenant, as the law of love and the indwelling Spirit replaced all external forms.
I asked, "Limit the answer to what the bible states not personal interpretation. Are sins remitted in obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus"
Based on biblical passages, water baptism is linked to the remission of sins.
Several verses address this connection:
- Acts 2:38: Peter instructs the crowd to "Repent and be baptized... in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins". This verse connects repentance and baptism with the outcome of sin forgiveness.
- Acts 22:16: Ananias tells Paul, "Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name".
- Mark 16:16: This verse states, "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved...".
- 1 Peter 3:21: This passage connects baptism with salvation, describing it as "the pledge of a clear conscience toward God—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ".
Consider the AI answer when one's request is made to limit it's response to what the bible says not personal interpretations:
I phrased my question: "Limit the answer to what the bible states, Is belief alone the only requirement to be born again?"
The Bible teaches that belief is essential but often presents it alongside other requirements like repentance, baptism, and a transformed life (faith with works), indicating belief alone isn't the sole factor for being "born again," as James states demons believe but tremble, and Jesus links belief with water and the Spirit for entering God's kingdom. While passages like John 3:16 emphasize belief for eternal life, other verses like James 2:19-20 and Mark 16:16 show that genuine faith produces action and is connected with baptism, highlighting that a living faith involves obedience and a changed heart, not just intellectual assent.
Key Biblical Teachings:
- Belief & Eternal Life: Jesus says, "Whoever believes in Him shall have eternal life" (John 6:40) and "He who believes has eternal life" (John 6:47).
- Faith & Works: The book of James contrasts dead faith with living faith, stating, "faith without works is dead" (James 2:26) and "faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead" (James 2:17).
- Demonic Belief: James highlights that even demons believe in God and tremble, showing belief isn't enough for salvation (James 2:19).
- Grace & Faith: Paul explains salvation comes "by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9).
- Regeneration: Jesus told Nicodemus, "unless one is born again... he cannot see the kingdom of God," a spiritual transformation connected to believing in Him (John 3:3, 5).
- Baptism: Jesus connects belief with baptism: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved" (Mark 16:16).
While faith (belief) is the foundational condition for receiving God's grace, the Bible suggests it's a transformative faith, not mere intellectual agreement, that leads to being born again, often demonstrated through repentance, obedience, baptism, and a life reflecting righteousness, as God's Spirit renews the believer.
I remember learning that "spirit" was translated "ghost" because "ghost" is a specific kind of spirit; it is the spirit of a man (one who has died) as opposed to spirits of the angels etc; and the use of "ghost" instead of "spirit" after Jesus' death implies that the Holy Spirit is one and the same as Jesus' spirit.
You continue to equate the NT command to be water baptized in the name of Jesus for remission of sin to the OT law. That is just not true.
The requirement to be water baptized in the name of Jesus is a New Testament command.
Also, I never said, nor do I agree, that the Holy Ghost is received upon obedience to water baptism. If you actually study the detailed conversion accounts they reveal the experience of receiving the Holy Ghost and being water baptized in the name of Jesus occur separately.
The Samaritans submitted to water baptism in the name of Jesus, and waited days before receiving the Holy Ghost. (Acts 8:12-18)
The Gentiles received the Holy Ghost and afterward Peter commanded they be water baptized in the name of Jesus. (Acts 10:43-48)
The 12 Ephesian men were water baptized in the name of Jesus and afterward received the Holy Ghost. (Acts 19:1-7)
I'm certain I did not make that claim about the passage relating to Jesus and water baptism. Are you mistaking me for someone else? It could explain our inability to find common ground.
Actually the OT priest and his sons were washed with water before being clothed with the priestly garments and afterward sprinkled with oil, and sacrificial blood. (Exo. 29, Lev. 8) This is a foreshadow of the requirements for those living in the NT. Note: according to Peter born again believers belong to a royal priesthood. (1 Peter 2:9)
FYI, the idea that a rope was tied to the High Priest is not recorded in the Word of God, it is a myth.
"Aaron and Sons washed" refers to the biblical ritual in Exodus 29 and Leviticus 8 where Moses washed Aaron and his sons with water at the Tabernacle entrance as part of their consecration to the priesthood, symbolizing spiritual cleansing and foreshadowing Christian baptism, followed by anointing and special garments for sacred service, with subsequent daily hand and foot washing from a bronze laver."