Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Blain]

The flesh is contrary, the mind is ignorant and kept in the dark by the flesh. This is why we are to be transformed through the renewing of our minds. The truth of Christ is to replace those things we have learned from the world. To not use your mind is contrary to what God desires in the proving of His will.

Romans 12:2
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

To use your mind as in using our logic and understanding? or do you mean a renewed one which conforms to the mind of Christ because I think the latter is what we should be doing

 

[cv5]

another factor is what is stated in Romans 4 ... that faith ≠ works ... a truth that is rejected by some ...

Romans 4:3-5

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

And now it appears trust is taken off the table unless a person is born again ... see Post 34,165 ... yikes ...

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Brutal. And as is the habit, morbid and ossified dogmatic assertions with zero Scriptural foundational support.

 

[BillyBob]

On the contrary, the children of Israel DEFINITELY were saved by volitional acts of personal faith and obedience at the time of the Exodus. They believed God when He commanded for Blood to be slathered on the doorpost and lintel.

And then they DID IT. And lived by doing so. God graciously OFFERED a means of deliverance, and the believers SEIZED upon it.
According to your theory, they should have been CONDEMNED for doing it.

Your faulty bizarre Reformed pseudo-philosophical pretentions regarding grace are a figment of your vain imagination.

Nothing that is necessary to salvation comes from within man, or can be done by man, therefore, nothing that is necessary to salvation is dependent on man, for he is WITHOUT HOPE, and does not seek the true God. Man can meet no condition, for he has no life. Man does not need to play his part, for he has no part to play. Man is a hopeless creature, therefore, how could salvation be in any way dependent on him?
**MDB**

You really should seek a good teacher. . . . . It is only when we discover that we are without hope, that we receive hope, and that knowledge comes from God as a wonderful gift.

 

[Blain]

I already gave you the scripture. Come let us reason together says the Lord.

Isaiah 1:18
“Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the Lord,

I repeat, "We are to bring our mind to the word of God in the filling of the Spirit and think with the whole counsel of God."

Where in the above do I say we should lean on our own understanding?

If you don't want to apply your mind to the scriptures, be my guest, but I can assure you the Lord will not renew your thinking if you leave your mind outside the door.

Ok I think I kind of get what your saying but it only applies to a renewed mind correct?

 

[Blain]

Your heart is your mind. It is that part that stores what you treasure. It forms your core thinking. We don't listen to our hearts because what is in them could be wrong. We are to listen to the word and it is the Spirit that brings the word to our minds.

What makes you think our heart is our mind? The heart that is spoken of is the core of a person their hearts can be seen by what they say and think yes but the scriptures do not seem to indicate that our minds and hearts are the same thing I am not trying to argue with you I am just trying to understand why you think they are the same

 

[cv5]

Nothing that is necessary to salvation comes from within man, or can be done by man, therefore, nothing that is necessary to salvation is dependent on man, for he is WITHOUT HOPE, and does not seek the true God. Man can meet no condition, for he has no life. Man does not need to play his part, for he has no part to play. Man is a hopeless creature, therefore, how could salvation be in any way dependent on him?
**MDB**

You really should seek a good teacher. . . . . It is only when we discover that we are without hope, that we receive hope, and that knowledge comes from God as a wonderful gift.

So according to your Reformed fantasies all of the Israelites died along with the Egyptians?

Better crack that Bible of yours open and find your way back to sanity and reality.

 

[Jordon]

So according to your Reformed fantasies all of the Israelites died along with the Egyptians?

Better crack that Bible of yours open and find your way back to sanity and reality.

out of tune this is not adding anything new to this thread just another one of your insults.

And you think you can tell people I need to be ignored.

Your a living joke. You've ignored hundreds of nice posts I've made to you and your crew, you dont care.

 

[Blain]

out of tune this is not adding anything new to this thread just another one of your insults.

And you think you can tell people I need to be ignored.

Your a living joke. You've ignored hundreds of nice posts I've made to you and your crew, you dont care.

Just remember the spirit behind his comments it is not the spirit of God it is the spirit of the enemy the enmy mock accuses insults and slanders remember earlier when I said in the other thread that we are in spiritual warfare in these debates? This is why.

 

[Kroogz]

Well, my doctrine knows that Cain belonged to the devil, just as most of the Pharisees did, so there's no way Cain was saved. Since you hope or want to see Cain so badly, heaven would not be the place for you to do that.

It's not something I place doctrine in @Rufus. You could very well be right. But GRACE abounds.

When it comes to doctrine......Calvies doctrine belongs in the dumpster fire that it is.

 

[Kroogz]

Well, my doctrine knows that Cain belonged to the devil, just as most of the Pharisees did, so there's no way Cain was saved. Since you hope or want to see Cain so badly, heaven would not be the place for you to do that.

There is no way for you to be saved then. Calvies make a shipwreck of the faith.( I don't question your salvation, but your faith/doctrine belongs in the LoF.)

1 Tim 1
18This command I entrust to you, Timothy, my [k]son, in accordance with the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you fight the good fight, 19keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to [l]their faith. 20[m]Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan, so that they will be taught not to blaspheme.


There is no way we can dogmatically say that Cain was saved or not.

I err on the side of Grace.

You err on the side of sin.

 

[Jordon]

Just remember the spirit behind his comments it is not the spirit of God it is the spirit of the enemy the enmy mock accuses insults and slanders remember earlier when I said in the other thread that we are in spiritual warfare in these debates? This is why.

blain they just keep on insulting people, and they just dont care,

Every post that genez throws at me there's an accusations about my character my nature my walk with God on a personal level and an insulting level, then he thinks he can give me advice and tell everyone I'm in the wrong for his comments.

Then theres his friends who fully support him.

Whist all long there making out there better teachers than anyone here, there absolutely crazy.

They don't listen to reason and sound understanding, they make a big deal out of everything.

And they take absolutely no notice.

 

[Blain]

blain they just keep on insulting people, and they just dont care,

Every post that genez throws at me there's an accusations about my character my nature my walk with God on a personal level and an insulting level, then he thinks he can give me advice and tell everyone I'm in the wrong for his comments.

Then theres his friends who fully support him.

Whist all long there making out there better teachers than anyone here, there absolutely crazy.

They don't listen to reason and sound understanding, they make a big deal out of everything.

And they take absolutely no notice.

Yeah that is how the enemy works and they want to see you get upset hey want to slander your character because they simply are hateful people but this is the tactics of the devil not God so trust me I know what your dealing with they have done this to me as well they cannot reason or understand what they are doing because they don't care about felloship learning or seeking truth they are spiteful hateful arrogant trolls and you cannot reason with such people

Just do what you can and speak truth to anyone who has ears to hear I got your back

 

[cv5]

Nothing that is necessary to salvation comes from within man, or can be done by man, therefore, nothing that is necessary to salvation is dependent on man, for he is WITHOUT HOPE, and does not seek the true God. Man can meet no condition, for he has no life. Man does not need to play his part, for he has no part to play. Man is a hopeless creature, therefore, how could salvation be in any way dependent on him?
**MDB**

You really should seek a good teacher. . . . . It is only when we discover that we are without hope, that we receive hope, and that knowledge comes from God as a wonderful gift.

Oh, and BTW.....you have no answer.
The Reformed crew never does.

Plenty of vacuous pseudo intellectual bloviating though. Of the kind that Paul warned about and fought against his entire life. Jude too. And Peter.

 

[cv5]

Yeah that is how the enemy works and they want to see you get upset hey want to slander your character because they simply are hateful people but this is the tactics of the devil not God so trust me I know what your dealing with they have done this to me as well they cannot reason or understand what they are doing because they don't care about felloship learning or seeking truth they are spiteful hateful arrogant trolls and you cannot reason with such people

Just do what you can and speak truth to anyone who has ears to hear I got your back

Legit Bible scholars and knowledgable students are "the enemy"?

Superb teaching opportunities are "the tactics of the devil"?

Say it isn't so @Blain

 

[Kroogz]

It is only when we discover that we are without hope, that we receive hope, and that knowledge comes from God as a wonderful gift.

"discover" is your cover word......Because you know you have to sound "kinda" biblical to suck in the ignorant.

"that knowledge comes from God as a wonderful gift".........Is your DETERMINING factor. Sneaky snakes the calvies are.

 

[cv5]

"discover" is your cover word......Because you know you have to sound "kinda" biblical to suck in the ignorant.

"that knowledge comes from God as a wonderful gift".........Is your DETERMINING factor. Sneaky snakes the calvies are.

Thieme makes it a point to castigate the pseudo intellectuals for their folly. With unfettered rancor. I have to give the guy credit for his candor in the matter.

Of course I agree with him.

 

[Blain]

Legit Bible scholars and knowledgable students are "the enemy"?

Superb teaching opportunities are "the tactics of the devil"?

Say it isn't so @Blain

Well your sure full of yourself now aren't you? You don't realize it clearly but but every every insult every mockery every accusation every slander that is the enemies tactics the fruits od the spirit are love peace joy patience ect. you show none of this so yes it is of the enemy

 

[Kroogz]

Thieme makes it a point to castigate the pseudo intellectuals for their folly. With unfettered rancor. I have to give the guy credit for his candor in the matter.

Of course I agree with him.

I agree with him......And I THOROUGHLY enjoy listening to him do it.

 

[Genez]

Except that our reasoning is not how the scriptures are to be understood they are to be understood by the spirit not the mind. where does the scriptures say to us our intellect and minds to understand the scriptures?

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Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul ​

and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ ​

The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ​

There is no commandment greater than these.” Mark 12:30-31​

That should cover it.

 

[Genez]

Belief and Trust are both gifts given to God's people, not to mankind as a whole. They come to us through the renewal by the Holy Spirit and are not something to be found in fallen man.

What we are given to believe.
And, what it is we are given to trust in.

They are the gifts from God.