I like him. I don't always agree with him, but I don't think he is deliberately trying to deceive anyone.
"Prayer" How did we get here?
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Ok, your saying you didn't bail on me, I hope not. I'll repeat my request.
Check out the A,B, Cs of Faith thread and the rediscovering pisteuo thread. Those are my understandings on the table for you to look at and test. If we're not on the same page, show me a better understanding.
I agree, he's trying to help. But he never will be able to IMO because his teaching is based on his experience and not the word and spirit of God. I'm sure you've seen his teacher by now
That's alot of homework. If I recall some of what I've read, you link faith to submission.
We can all learn something from everyone. At the very least, I have to know why I disagree.
Jesus gave His Disciples an example of how to pray ---Jesus was not on the cross yet -----so this prayer was given as an example as to how to pray before the Cross ----asking for forgiveness of sins ----asking to deliver us from evil -----which after the Cross are all taken care of ----sins are all forgiven and your delivered from evil as long as you Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour ---so this prayer is a good prayer and it served its purpose before the Cross --but now sins and evil have been taken care of -for true Christians ----so if people want to say this Prayer they can ------but ---Why are you asking for sins to be forgiven when they are already forgiven for the True Christian as is being delivered fro evil when it is already done ---this makes no sense ----in my view -----
I'm learning a lot from him, but not what he might think, though. You know I'm interested in mapping out how Christian gnostics think and form the ideas they do. That helps me to better understand the faith and make sure I'm on the straight path.
Nothing wrong with such a pursuit. But be careful. You might find yourself mislabeling people.
Well take you for example. I labeled you a gnostic, but your last response to me a day or so ago seemed clean of that; so there's no reason for me to continue doing that. I don't know if that's because you were being careful about what you say in order to hide what you really believe (like this guy does IMO) or if it's because you really are on the straight path and learning. But time will tell.
I never anything that if you would have asked about would have ever led you to such a conclusion
The practice of our faith should lead us into deeper submission over time, but faith itself is merely trusting what God says to be true.
Well I don't want to get into it again or here, but you said you agreed with something the Valentinian gnostics believed, and said that most people here believe it; to which I said that's because gnosticism infiltrated the church via Calvin.
This comment was posted to another poster; not you.
And perhaps you were.
If there is something you want me to consider specifically, ask away. My apologies if I led you to believe I would peruse an entire thread.
While I do think belief is much more than simply being intellectual assent, I wouldn't characterize it as submission, although submission will attend one who exercises faith. Rather, I see it as a radical trust in what God has revealed. So I believe faith or belief is more robust than solely submission.
I don't think I ever mention the word submission.
Maybe I'm asking more than your willing to do?