It's simple, just as He taught, in secret.
Anything other than that is tradition , traditions make void the word of God.
"Prayer" How did we get here?
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It's simple, just as He taught, in secret.
Anything other than that is tradition , traditions make void the word of God.
I am hoping that they will explain themselves and how they came to their conclussion but there is no scripture that states what they are trying to teach I can understand if they simply are unable to provide any evidence but to be so sensitave in a discussion like this earning the ignore so easily when I have done nothing to them well that doesn't show a mature believer
Of course there is another aspect of praying that we're not looking at.
And that's the specific way Jesus taught us to pray are only for those who have the mind of Christ. And if that's been given , praying, fasting, giving in secret is an inevitable accompaniment of His Spirit.
Praying without ceasing can only be done with the mind of Christ. Because real, Biblical prayer is a connection, a conscious contact that never goes away. It's not something we take time to do once in a while.
This happens by Faith and faithing, a continually surrendered life.
Yes for the most part it is to be done in secret but I can testify how the speaking in tongues over someone is done outloud.
I had a person do this to me and I felt God's power so intensely I was unable to move or speak and this happened with the person laying thier hands on me and praying out loud
I have also seen others speak in tongues over someone and saw God do amazing things so there does seem to be some instances not all of course where it is not done in secret
have you ever encountered what I am talking about? ever had someone lay hands on you and pray maybe?
Yes I agree with this in fact it would be of benefit for all of us to take this to heart the spirit of God and the mind of Christ will always be in union and in this union prayer is powerful a connection of the hearts between the believer and God the father
Magenta, I regard you as one of the honest reporters here. I'm presenting Mt.6- 5:6 just as it's written.
Blain for 3 posts insisted I was saying silence instead of secret i corrected hartwork. and he did it again. And even after that I gave him another chance. I've been in these forums for over 25 years and can see when someone is playing. It's in groups like this i learned that misrepresenting someone is one of the worst things person can do to another. To some , it's an artform.
I would say speaking in tongues is something other than what Jesus is teaching in Mt. 6 -5:6.
No I haven't.
I apologize if I misunderstood you but you mentioned how Jesus taught to not pray out loud did you not or did I read your post wrong?
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Yes, Jesus prayed out loud
, often with loud cries and tears, as seen in moments like His crucifixion and His prayer in John 17, but He also prayed silently and privately, teaching His followers to value sincere prayer with the right motives, whether public or private. The key was sincerity, not performance, with Jesus condemning hypocritical, public displays for show.
Examples of Jesus Praying Aloud
Jesus modeled both public, vocal prayer and private, silent prayer, emphasizing that heartfelt sincerity is what matters to God, not the volume or location of the prayer.
Yes, Jesus prayed out loud
, often with loud cries and tears, as seen in moments like His crucifixion and His prayer in John 17, but He also prayed silently and privately, teaching His followers to value sincere prayer with the right motives, whether public or private. The key was sincerity, not performance, with Jesus condemning hypocritical, public displays for show.
Examples of Jesus Praying Aloud
- On the Cross: Jesus cried out, "Father, forgive them" and offered a prayer of surrender (Luke 23:34, 46).
- At Lazarus' Tomb: The Gospel of John records Jesus "lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said..." before raising Lazarus (John 11:41-42).
- The High Priestly Prayer: In John 17, Jesus prays aloud for His disciples and future believers, a prayer recorded for all to hear.
- Jesus often withdrew to solitary places to pray, indicating private, silent prayer was also a significant part of His life (Matthew 14:23).
- In Matthew 6, Jesus warned against praying like the hypocrites who stood on street corners to be seen (Matthew 6:5-6).
- The issue wasn't praying aloud, but the motive: doing it for human approval rather than for God.
Jesus modeled both public, vocal prayer and private, silent prayer, emphasizing that heartfelt sincerity is what matters to God, not the volume or location of the prayer.
Jesus, once more deeply moved, came to the tomb. It was a cave with a stone laid across the entrance. 39 “Take away the stone,” he said.
“But, Lord,” said Martha, the sister of the dead man, “by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there four days.”
40 Then Jesus said, “Did I not tell you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?”
41 So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.”
43 When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!” 44 The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face.
Jesus said to them, “Take off the grave clothes and let him go.”
Important to note: whenever Jesus taught about prayer, He always said "when you pray " , not when we pray.
In this circumstance Jesus spoke, not prayed. It uses the word Lego which is uttered thoughts. Keep reading, He wanted them to hear what He was saying,
He is not under the same rules of prayer that we are.
Then why did He specially tell us to go into your closet ( which i understand is within ourselves) and once your in there pray in secret.?
You need to look at the Greek. Your mixing up prayers with sayings.
If speaking to the Father isn't prayer, what is?
My opinion is that are a little too legalistic here. Prayer can be both public and private; aloud and unspoken. Like all things, it should be done to the glory of God.
One more time.
I think, praying aloud is keeping Gods word true, as long as others don't hear it. Anything else isn't prayer, it's something else.