Baptism for (in order to obtain) remission of sins equates to no baptism, no remission of sins. You did not need to specifically say "baptized or condemned" because it's already implied in what you actually did say and have been repeatedly saying.
You are trying to turn a sign into a savior.
again the whole “ water baptism thing “ here’s an apostle baptizing a believer
I already covered this in post #113. Did you read my post?
Faith is not baptism and faith precedes baptism and we are saved through faith. It's just that simple.
Yes,
repentance and remission of sins (faith is implied or assumed)
is what we read in Luke 24:47. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
I already thoroughly covered this in post #113.
I already covered this in post #116.
What's to avoid? These Gentiles
believed, received the gift of the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues (spiritual gift that is ONLY for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) and were saved before water baptism. Certain Jews may have wanted to forbid these Gentiles from being baptized because of their unacceptance of the Gentiles, (Acts 10:47) but Peter clearly states that SURELY NO ONE CAN REFUSE. These Gentiles were clearly SAVED BEFORE WATER BAPTISM, and the Holy Spirit was proof of this. (
Romans 8:9;
1 John 4:13)
CONTINUED..
i can’t continue lol I’m sorry bro here’s how your argument goes
“Baptism for (in order to obtain) remission of sins equates to no baptism, no remission of sins.”
heres what the Bible teaches
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It's not about rejecting baptism as an important matter. Water baptism is important, but it's just not the basis or means by which we obtain salvation. We must believe in Him as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation in order to be saved and not merely in His existence. You seem to believe in your baptism and not exclusively in Him.
I don't explain away scripture. I properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine. Again,
Acts 2:38 must be read alongside verses like (
Luke 24:47;
Acts 3:19;
5:31;
10:43-47;
11:17,
18;
13:38-39;
15:7-9;
16:31;
26:18) where
forgiveness is explicitly tied to
repentance/belief/faith and not the ritual itself. Water baptism is a sign of that reality but not the source of it.
Baptism is a symbol of salvation in that it pictures Christ's death, burial and resurrection and our identification with Him in these experiences. In reality, believers are literally saved by what baptism symbolizes--Christ's death, burial and resurrection. (
1 Corinthians 15:1-4) Baptism would have no meaning without Christ’s death, burial and resurrection, but Christ’s death, burial and resurrection would still have meaning, even if there were no baptism. In other words, Christ’s death, burial and resurrection is the substance and baptism is the symbol/picture. Without the substance there would be no symbol/picture.
I already covered this in post #116.
Baptism is not even mentioned in Romans 6:17,18. Before they obeyed that form of doctrine in Romans 6:17 by choosing to believe the gospel (
Romans 1:16), they had been slaves to sin.
Romans 10:16 - But they have not all
obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has
believed our report?"
in
1 Peter 1:22 notice -
"Purified your souls in obeying the truth" and notice in
Acts 15:9 -
"Purified their hearts by FAITH." "Obeying the gospel" and "obeying that form of doctrine" in these passages is really a synonym for BELIEVING the gospel. Being slaves of sin is put in the
past tense. Paul goes on in
Romans 6:18 -
"You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."
*Notice in
Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one
believes unto righteousness..
*Notice in
Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but
believes on Him who justifies the ungodly,
his faith (not works)
is accounted for righteousness.
As Greek scholar AT Robertson said -
a symbol is not the reality, but the picture of the reality.
CONTINUED..
“It's not about rejecting baptism as an important matter. Water baptism is important, but it's just not the basis or means by which we obtain salvation. We must believe in Him as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation in order to be saved and not merely in His existence. You seem to believe in your baptism and not exclusively in Him. “
lol so your saying we need to believe in him so much we shouldt think we need to do anything that’s commanded ? And if a guy like me believes we need to be baptized for remission of sins in Jesus name like Jesus and his apostles taught them I believe too much in baptism
air sounds like I need tomlewrn to believe so much in Jesus that I don’t worry about actually doing the things he said are important to do ? And if I think they are important then I believe too much in them and not enough in him who said to do them ?
I’m sorry bro I can’t continue this it’s another circle with you explaining why nothing that the scripture makes important or ties to salvation means what it says. All you seem to do is explain why things aren’t correct that are simple and plain like this
“Then Peter said unto them,
Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For
the promise ( of the spirit see Galatians 3)
is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 2:38-39 KJV
Then you begin explaining about different baptisms a baptism that is no baptism at all and water baptism …
“
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
one Lord, one faith,
one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV
then youll explain how I just can’t inderrrsnd what “ there is one baptism “ means lol because it’s so mysterious so you’ll then explain for a page or two a out different baptisms and what they mean . So then
I’ll show you the apostles were commanding people to be baptized in Jesus name in water like here
“While
Peter yet spake these words,
the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. ( that’s what brings the spirit )
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered
Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have
received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And
he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. ( for remission of sins there’s only one baptism ) Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:44, 46-48 KJV
You then explain why that just isn’t correct ester baptism is important but not about remission of sins though …..
Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
Same reason the gentiles in acts ten were baptized in Jesus name in water .
z it all you seem to do is explain why the things lain aren’t right and then after a long explaination I never even really know what you are saying I just kind of have to keep repeating the same basic verses so we’re just wasting time for each other .
to me it’s really simple but lol we have to actually learn what it says and let that be true rether than hearing it then explaining why it’s not true or doesn’t actually mean what it says ….
i don’t think there’s fruit in this particular discussion between us brother I respect you personally but I am not really making any sense of your arguments you won’t address what it says plainly and seem to argue against it at least that’s sort of my view of this topic between us but hopefully well
Be able to discuss other subjects as long as lol you aren’t explaining why what it says isn’t right
