Israel.

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Because if Israel is destroyed, radical (i.e. normal) Muslims are coming for you and me.

How does this even make sense? I hear this all of the time regarding Ukraine, ie., if Ukraine falls, Europe is next. That is so laughably absurd because Russia hasn't even conquered Donbas right on their doorstep after nearly 4 years. Europe is threatened more by Russian nuclear missiles if they keep provoking their populations and Russia into war. Likewise, the west is more threatened by getting involved In Israel's affairs than is by letting them over there sort things out by themselves.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Israel exists according to God's plan and purpose. That is the truth whether you like it or not. And that is what replacement believers reject. You do know that the word "Christian" is not Biblical? It was coined by unbelievers in Antioch as an insult. So you should quit calling yourself Christian. Otherwise, quit nitpicking over words.

The nation of Israel does not represent spiritual Israel. Jacob/Israel represents spiritual Israel. God changed Jacob's name to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel (Gen 33:29) Jacob/Israel is made up of people from every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation (Rev 5:9-10) (Rom 9:6)

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The fact that people in your religious camp teach each other not to acknowledge the name of these people in a testimony to much darkness in your soul.

That's just blather and utter nonsense. History says you're flat out wrong. Arabs also said you're wrong until it became expedient to use the name Palestinian and then it changed overnight. It's been a well used weapon against the Jews. It's been proven in this thread a dozen different ways. Even you can't change the truth into a lie. Stop being obtuse, you know the truth as well as we do, if you don't go read history.

The fact is that very serious crimes have been committed by Israeli terrorists against Palestinians, and by doing this you cover for the crimes, thereby incriminating yourself also.

These baby boys STRANGLED to death!!!! Do you see the fear in that mothers face??!! The desperation to protect her children? LOOK in her EYES!!!



All four family members were held hostage. Shiri Bibas's parents, José Luis Silberman and Margit Shnaider Silberman, were both killed in the Nir Oz attack. They snuffed out an entire family leaving only one alive. Gee that sounds a lot like an attempt at genocide!!




Naama Levy, what do you think she and other women hostages went through?? They were continuously raped and tortured. As were the male hostages. The crimes don't get anymore "serious" than what was done here by Palestinians. They wanted war, and they got it. Murdering parents in front of children, children in front of parents. Then sent videos to families phones. What they did was sick. And they should never be allowed to have a two state solution now after the crimes they committed on Oct 7!!

 

[HeIsHere]

The fact is that very serious crimes have been committed by Israeli terrorists against Palestinians, and by doing this you cover for the crimes, thereby incriminating yourself also.

Waste of time, she believes everything that has been proven false even still.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Waste of time, she believes everything that has been proven false even still.

IMO she wouldn't care even if she knows it's false. Like I said earlier violence and inhumanity against other peoples is baked into western imperialist/colonial culture. It's expected and justified by large swaths of their populaces. It's what their whole standard of living is based and built on.

 

[HeIsHere]

IMO she wouldn't care even if she knows it's false. Like I said earlier violence and inhumanity against other peoples is baked into western imperialist/colonial culture. It's expected and justified by large swaths of their populaces. It's what their whole standard of living is based and built on.

Yes, I read that post and was thinking to respond, however, I have to visit the thread very infrequently because the outright lies begin to take their toll on me.

Yes so very true!!

 

[Beekeeper]

You are beyond belief. Hamas burned babies alive and videoed it to boast about their exploits. Gazans, your supposed Palestinians, danced in the streets in celebration. The Arabs in the West Bank also support Hamas atrocities. Israel finally decided to end the regular attacks on its territories once and for all. All I can say is it's about time. Governments have a responsibility to protect its people.

Unless you are a secret Muslim, you should be glad that Israel is defending itself. Because if Israel is destroyed, radical (i.e. normal) Muslims are coming for you and me. "First the Saturday people then the Sunday people". The present government of Australia won't even accept the truth that Islam is inherently hostile to Western values, to Judaism and to Christianity. The present government will sit back and watch while this nation is taken over. Ask the British how that is working for them.

I noticed that you excluded the story about the 40 beheaded babies.
You must know as well as the rest of us that the it is beyond doubt proven false.
i include it only as an example of how weaponized atrocity propaganda is used.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_baby_beheading_hoax

Hamas are the handpicked "terrorist" representatives long favored by Netan-"we cad control the height of the flames"-yahoo, because he did not desire to have a Palestinian negotiating partner in Gaza.
Anybody who has looked even slightly below the surface knows that the Mossad are clever buggers.
They can control American presidents, and they most certainly can control and infiltrate little Palestine.
Sexual violence on the part of Hamas would not surprise me, but it is significant that many of those allegations have also gone the way of the beheaded babies (and the babies in ovens) stories too.

The IDF provided figures for children killed in Gaza is already over 20,000 and I suspect that the true figure is higher than that.
Hamas did not force the "most advanced and moral army in the world" to do double taps on hospitals or to destroy every resident home.
The IDF was not forced to invoke the Hannibal Directive on October 7 either,
Effectively they have elevated the status of every dirty terrorist group because they have made defending Gaza a legitimate cause.

I am not a secret Muslim, but recognize that Israel tries to exploit the Muslim/Christian divide to their own advantage.
They do this by promoting violent extreme versions of both religions.

My Palestinian relatives were Western in their way of life.
They built farms, churches and schools.
They had ongoing good relationship with their Muslim neighbors for a long period of time.
Arab Palestinians were very much used to foreigners, and religious Jews were welcome.
"Israel" later came into conflict with them because it introduced itself in a similar way to Isis on Bondi Beach.
My grandparents remember a time when the 3 Abraham religions were able to exchange respectful communication in peace.
Unsurprisingly Satan had to come and interrupt all that.
https://alchetron.com/cdn/wilhelma-palestine-11d5e272-2b2f-424b-bd79-29a763ae2e8-resize-750.jpg

 

[God-fearing]

So how many here have been to Israel in the past 2 yrs?
So the atrocities that were reported didn't happen? So the families there are drama mamas. What a new low.
Also noted is the Islamic invasion of other countries are not true. Talk about putting your head in the sand.
What twisted resources have you all been watching or listening to?
If it were a battle of the bands it would be ....Sympathy for the devil....vs......come Jesus come.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

My Palestinian relatives were Western in their way of life.
They built farms, churches and schools.
They had ongoing good relationship with their Muslim neighbors for a long period of time.
Arab Palestinians were very much used to foreigners, and religious Jews were welcome.
"Israel" later came into conflict with them because it introduced itself in a similar way to Isis on Bondi Beach.
My grandparents remember a time when the 3 Abraham religions were able to exchange respectful communication in peace.
Unsurprisingly Satan had to come and interrupt all that.
https://alchetron.com/cdn/wilhelma-palestine-11d5e272-2b2f-424b-bd79-29a763ae2e8-resize-750.jpg

Is that photo from your grandparents time there?

 

[Gideon300]

So how many here have been to Israel in the past 2 yrs?
So the atrocities that were reported didn't happen? So the families there are drama mamas. What a new low.
Also noted is the Islamic invasion of other countries are not true. Talk about putting your head in the sand.
What twisted resources have you all been watching or listening to?
If it were a battle of the bands it would be ....Sympathy for the devil....vs......come Jesus come.

Muslims in non majority Muslim countries:

Europe 46 million (6% of the population)
UK 4 million (6% of the population)
America 4.5 million (1.3%)
Australia 1 million (3.2%)

I've left out nations that have had a large Muslim population for centuries such as India.

Islam is utterly incompatible with Western and Christian values. Their leaders continually say that they have come to take over, not take part. The UK is in effect a Muslim state. Saying anything negative about Islam will get you arrested. Some European countries are waking up to the threat. 8 cities in the UK are ruled by Muslim mayors. Some districts are 80% Muslim.

I've not heard of Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist or Taoism terrorists. I hear plenty about Muslim terrorists. I did not make up the phrase, "First the Saturday then the Sunday people." That is a Middle Eastern proverb.

A number of American cities are controlled by Muslims. And that is with a very small Muslim population relative to America overall. London, UK has been nicknamed "Londonistan". It's Mayor tried to ban Christmas celebrations this year.

The people with their heads in the sand are those who refuse to accept the threat that radical Islam poses. It is no coincidence that marchers in Australia were shouting "death to Israel" and "gas the Jews" before a terror attack was launched. We have laws against incitement. White supremacists and neo Nazis have been prosecuted for hate speech. Muslim hatred has been ignored.

In Melbourne, a couple of Jewish people were simply having coffee. The police demanded that they move on. Why? There was a pro Palestine demonstration nearby. The police were not interested in protecting the rights of Jews. Fortunately, the police have been forced to back down.

This is the "boiling frog" technique used by Muslims in the West. Little by little, the rights of the individual are being subordinated to Islam. It's not Islamophobia. Fear of Islam is entirely justified.

I have nothing against individual Muslims. My heart specialist is a Muslim, as is the Cardiovascular head at the local hospital. They are fine. The specialist is a woman who touched my ankle to see if it was swollen. That is anathema to traditional Islam. It's not the decent, normal Muslims who are the problem. It is the radicals and they have way too much influence.

If Christians do not see the danger they will not pray. And that is giving opportunity for the devil to get his way. Ignorance is not bliss. It is dangerous.

 

[Gideon300]

The burned babies is a lie and this has been known for a while.
You really need to find a better news source.

Have you watched the video taken by Hamas murderers on the day?

 

[Beekeeper]

Is that photo from your grandparents time there?

Yes, that is from the village where My dad grew up,
I included it to show how non-Arab and non-Muslim there way of life was.
Palestine used to be a much more open society than most western people are led to believe.
Suicide bombers and terrorists had not yet been invented at that time.
It it well worth noting that at that time America also had no enemies in the Middle East.

 

[Beekeeper]

Yes, I read that post and was thinking to respond, however, I have to visit the thread very infrequently because the outright lies begin to take their toll on me.

Yes so very true!!

I think that politically motivated lies are often designed to take their toll on people in that way.
After being exposed, they will continue to lie relentlessly to the point where nobody can be bothered any more.
It seems easier to try to half believe it all so we can get on with life.
This would not be a problem if people understood that once a person has been found lying deliberately just once, and not repented, they are already identified as a liar.
All that they say is not to be trusted.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Yes, that is from the village where My dad grew up,
I included it to show how non-Arab and non-Muslim there way of life was.
Palestine used to be a much more open society than most western people are led to believe.
Suicide bombers and terrorists had not yet been invented at that time.
It it well worth noting that at that time America also had no enemies in the Middle East.

I love all the hats. Is that a church or school?

 

[Gideon300]

You just tried to tell a person who's grandparents were called Palestinians since their birth that Palestinians don't exist.
Everyone in your religious echo chamber seems to agree with you.
But, for some shocking reason your information just seems to bounce off that person despite all your careless theological interpretations, and highly politicized distortions of history.
He must be on the way to hell.

Funny, some "Palestinians" resented being called that so much that they burned their British issued passports.

I'm not going over the history again. You reject that and nothing I say can change it. FYI I get my information from a range of sources, including the late Derek Prince. He was in the British army during the 1940's and was saved during that time. He had left and was living in Jerusalem when Israel declared independence.

 

[Gideon300]

How does this even make sense? I hear this all of the time regarding Ukraine, ie., if Ukraine falls, Europe is next. That is so laughably absurd because Russia hasn't even conquered Donbas right on their doorstep after nearly 4 years. Europe is threatened more by Russian nuclear missiles if they keep provoking their populations and Russia into war. Likewise, the west is more threatened by getting involved In Israel's affairs than is by letting them over there sort things out by themselves.

Russia does not have 46 million potential terrorists in Europe. Islam does. Your anti Israel bias blinds you to reality. Hamas has been setting up terror cells in Europe. Arms caches have been found. That begs the question of what has not been found. Germany is the strongest economy in Europe. It also made reparations to Israelis who suffered during the holocaust. Germany suffered terribly for its treatment of Jews. God's blessing has come since Germany had a change of attitude.

Russia has found out the cost of underestimating the enemy. Europe is desperately rearming. Oddly, Israel is a major arms supplier. Europe would do well not to underestimate the Muslim threat.

Sure, it would be better if Europe stayed out of Israel's affairs. Recognising a terror state on Israel's borders is stupid to say the least. The supposed peace deal brokered by America is a farce. American meddling is not helping either.

 

[Beekeeper]

I love all the hats. Is that a church or school?

The building is a church.
The people are the offspring of a religious movement that called itself the "Templers".
Not anything to do with the Knights Templers of the middle ages, as that is the first thing people ask me.
The movement started in the mid 19th Century, and was probably motivated in part from a desire to escape the already oppressive Lutheran church.
I have tried to read the theology of the founding fathers, but is was as painful as reading Kenneth Copland.
They believed in the fulfillment of the kingdom of heaven on earth, and they challenged the idea that the Bible was fully the word of God.
The generation that came after them was the one that my grandparents were born in, and some of them adopted a more Bible based theology.
They began another movement that they called the "Evangelicals".
In many ways I think they found a painful way of exploring the theological issues that we have been debating in this thread.
Dad started living in Australia at 16 years old and was happy to escape the Templers.
He is 92 now and pretty healthy.
I found a bit of a write up about them for you:
https://www.germanaustralia.com/e/palestine1.htm

 

[brightfame52]

The Church is revealed to be Israel in that many of the promises of God to Israel under the OTC are fulfilled with the Church in the NTC for instance, God said to the nation Ex 19:5

5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

Notice, they shall be a peculiar treasure unto God,

Now this has been fulfilled by God unto the Church for example, writing to Titus Paul writes Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Now the word peculiar in Ex 19:5 is sᵊḡullâ:

1. possession, property
   
   1. valued property, peculiar treasure
   2. treasure

The word peculiar in Titus 2:14 is periousios:

1. that which is one's own, belonging to one's possessions
   1. a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession

Now does God have two special peculiar people? No, that defeats the purpose of being pecuilar and seperated from others for ones special possession.

But since Christ has kept gods covenant for a People, and redeemed them with His Blood, the promise to Israel in Ex 19:5 is fulfilled by and through Christ unto the Church, for as it is written 2 Cor 1:20

20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

All the promises of God, to include the one made in Ex 19:5 are confirmed and fulfilled by and in Him Christ the Covenant of the People who kept the covenant Isa 42:6

I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

See Gentiles were included in that covenant ! 13

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Now the word peculiar in Ex 19:5 is sᵊḡullâ:

1. possession, property
   
   1. valued property, peculiar treasure
   2. treasure

The word peculiar in Titus 2:14 is periousios:

1. that which is one's own, belonging to one's possessions
   1. a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession

In the Greek LXX, Exodus 19:5 has periousios as in Titus 2:14

 

[ForestGreenCook]

“And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel:”

old covenant was made with the tribes of isreal

“These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭29:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In revelation immediately after you see people from all nations shouting about salvation and the lamb ?

“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s who the new covenant is made with

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-

a that’s why the second group is shooting the theme from the gospel and the first group is only the sealed of Israel they had a covenant first and then he made another with them and everyone else

First group first testament second group the gospel shouting a new song of the lamb first group only israel the people of the first covenant second group of all nations and languages and peoples because the gospel was sent to all people the new covenant

Spiritual Israel is represented by Jacob/Israel. God changed Jacob's name to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel. (Gen 33:28). (Isa 41:8) (Isa 43:1) (Isa 44::1) (Isa 44:21) (Isa 45:4) (Isa 46:3-4) (Isa 48:1) Most of Jacob/Israel turned away from God and began to worship idols, therefore, God blinded their eyes to know the truths of the doctrine of Jesus, but God left in the midst of them a remnant who have been revealed The truths of the doctrine of Jesus.