"He doesn't need to be named. The writer was inspired by the Holy Spirit, so it doesn't matter."
[Bingo!]
"No, that's not what he meant. There is no other way except through Christ."
You're so divisive you don't even agree with your SELF!!
The Kerygma - God's Requirement for Salvation
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"He doesn't need to be named. The writer was inspired by the Holy Spirit, so it doesn't matter."
[Bingo!]
"No, that's not what he meant. There is no other way except through Christ."
You're so divisive you don't even agree with your SELF!!
My comment:
that is one scripture, one only
others say, those that endure until the end will be saved.
others say, we must DO the will of the Father to be saved
Others say, we must Repent of our sins to be saved
others say, if we desire eternal life "Keep the commandments"
determining doctrine on ONE scripture is not sound
yes, folks want the easy way, not the hard way,
sorry, Christ showed us the Hard Way - uttering words that vanish into the wind are nothing,
My comment:
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
that is one scripture, one only!
others say, those that endure until the end will be saved.
others say, we must DO the will of the Father to be saved
Others say, we must Repent of our sins to be saved
others say, if we desire eternal life "Keep the commandments"
determining doctrine on ONE scripture is not sound
yes, folks want the easy way, not the hard way,
sorry, Christ showed us the Hard Way - uttering words that vanish into the wind are nothing,
Discussion on CC prompted me to realize that there is only one way as follows:
The distinction between kerygma and didache involves a difference in content and purpose.
The kerygma proclaims GRFS, which calls for repentance and acceptance of Jesus as Lord, which is an all or nothing decision that occurs at one moment in time. (It is the beginning of the Way.)
The didache teaches God’s will regarding how saints or those who have been saved should live in order to be a good witness for Christ, which involves learning more of God’s Word throughout one’s lifetime. (It is the continuing of the Way.)
A passage teaching this truth is Colossians 2:6-7: “Just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord [kerygma], continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught [didache].”
There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts (begins) God’s saving grace at conversion
and faith that accepts (continues) God’s working grace or motivates good works while walking/living (Eph. 2:8-10, 2Cor. 5:7),
but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime (Rom. 1:17). IOW, the ability to do good works as well as have saving faith are one way: God’s grace.
Does one need to live their entire life in accord with the Scripture before they are saved? Or is there a clear starting point given in Scripture?
My comment:
Repentance, baptism and the laying on of hands is the starting point.
All our sin are then paid for by the shed blood of Christ and we are a new person.
Repentance yes (Matt. 4:17), and SB yes (1or. 12:13), but laying on hands (2Tim. 1:6)?
Only by way of affirming evidence God has gifted someone with spiritual apostleship/evangelism/teaching (2Tim. 1:7-14)
following their conversion/beginning.
Absolutely, you are correct, there is no death bed salvation, Salvation is a process one goes through, there is no "click your heels' or speak a few words and it is done.
Most do not consider what all the men and women God worked with in Old Testament times, they suffered, they fell, they got up and fell again over their entire life time, Read Hebrew 11 the faith chapter
the Process of salvation is a life time, some very few like Stephen died young.
comment:
Hebrews 6
1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
acts 19
4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy
Yeah it’s hard to post the entire Bible in every comment and conversation though so things about baptism will probably be quoted in a discussion involving it
heres some more supporting that one though
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, ( baptism ) we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:”
Romans 6:3-5 KJV
now when you read all that “ you died with Christ “ stuff in the doctrine you’ll know it’s about baptism . Or this one is good also
“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
Colossians 2:11-12 KJV
Or this one
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27-29 KJV
The point was baptism is part of the doctrine an important part
GWH said:
Repentance yes (Matt. 4:17), and SB yes (1or. 12:13), but laying on hands (2Tim. 1:6)?
Only by way of affirming evidence God has gifted someone with spiritual apostleship/evangelism/teaching (2Tim. 1:7-14)
following their conversion/beginning.
comment:
Hebrews 6
1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
acts 19
4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost Holy Spirit came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied
Repentance yes (Matt. 4:17), and SB yes (1or. 12:13), but laying on hands (2Tim. 1:6)?
Only by way of affirming evidence God has gifted someone with spiritual apostleship/evangelism/teaching (2Tim. 1:7-14)
following their conversion/beginning.
comment:
Hebrews 6
1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
acts 19
4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost Holy Spirit came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied
You have apparently either been reading the Qu'ran instead of the Bible or listening to Catholics instead of the Holy Spirit.
What you describe is a lifetime of striving that leaves believers with no assurance of salvation. What Scripture describes is an instantaneous translation from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light.
1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.
How do you know that there are no death bed conversions to Jesus Christ?
Tell me exactly how you know this.
If your not boasting in Jesus Christ then you are boasting about something else.
Romans 10:13
For “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”