The Kerygma - God's Requirement for Salvation

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
This evidence is not proof, but because this hope and belief are based on evidence and logic, it is rational rather than “blind”, and it is made even more intellectually reasonable or defensible by acknowledging ways God would be disproved, which include the following:

1. If atheists or anti-Christians created eternal life, because the Bible teaches that eternal life is God’s gift only to believers in Him (John 3:16).

2. If the body of Jesus of Nazareth were discovered in a tomb, because Paul stated that if Christ is not resurrected, then faith is useless (1Cor. 15:14).

3. If it were proven that moral free will (MFW) is an illusion, because the premise of biblical morality is that human souls are accountable (Deut. 30:19-20).

4. If human-like beings on another planet had no salvation history involving God and Christ, because the Bible teaches that God is Lord of all (Phil. 2:9-11). (Caveat: If they are included in the Great Commission, their history would be like the OT.)

5. If God could prove His existence to people without abrogating free will (cf. 2Cor. 5:7), but apparently God performs miracles only as necessary to accomplish His plan of salvation.

6. If it were proved that the universe is not created, because resurrection or re-creation presupposes creation and thus a Creator (Acts 17:24-31).
And mans will still lives in the flesh 🙂 Along with God's will in the conscience before saved and in there hearts as he builds them up, there's just no getting away from it, and from when the heart is sealed his will overcomes the will of the flesh more so.
 
what does the Bible say is required to gain the gift of eternal life?

and Do not believe the lie "once saved always saved". If a person returns to sin and will not repent it is the Lake of fire for them. And I thank God for that fact, I have had a belly full of sinful humans.

John 6
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Never make the mistake of using one or two scriptures to form a doctrine.

Christ is clear; no one can choose on their own to accept Him, the Father is the one choosing the Bride Jesus Christ will marry.

Once a person has been called and chosen, they must repent of sinning against the Father, they must be baptized into the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and then by the laying of of Hands, the Father places HIS Spirit in that person.

that is not the end; Christ expect a return, you must grow spiritual, allowing God to cut away your human nature and replace it with HIS Divine Nature, the Word calls it bring forth fruit, and that is still not the end -- you must endure until the end. and there is coming more trouble than any would ever dream, it is a time of trouble so bad it has never occurred before or will ever again, It is called "The time of Jacob's trouble"

this is the short answer,

uttering words into the wind is nothing, once spoken they are vanish with the wind.
 
This evidence is not proof, but because this hope and belief are based on evidence and logic, it is rational rather than “blind”, and it is made even more intellectually reasonable or defensible by acknowledging ways God would be disproved, which include the following:

1. If atheists or anti-Christians created eternal life, because the Bible teaches that eternal life is God’s gift only to believers in Him (John 3:16).

2. If the body of Jesus of Nazareth were discovered in a tomb, because Paul stated that if Christ is not resurrected, then faith is useless (1Cor. 15:14).

3. If it were proven that moral free will (MFW) is an illusion, because the premise of biblical morality is that human souls are accountable (Deut. 30:19-20).

4. If human-like beings on another planet had no salvation history involving God and Christ, because the Bible teaches that God is Lord of all (Phil. 2:9-11). (Caveat: If they are included in the Great Commission, their history would be like the OT.)

5. If God could prove His existence to people without abrogating free will (cf. 2Cor. 5:7), but apparently God performs miracles only as necessary to accomplish His plan of salvation.

6. If it were proved that the universe is not created, because resurrection or re-creation presupposes creation and thus a Creator (Acts 17:24-31).

Thus, both theism and atheism are unproven opinions or opposite subjective conclusions requiring faith concerning ultimate reality. However, the NT teaches there will come a time—at the resurrection or eschaton—when the proof atheists demand will be provided, and KOTH will end. At that time theism will be revealed as the right or true ideology as souls reap the opposite destinies of heaven and hell in accordance with their moral choices, beginning with their decision whether to love or to disregard God (cf. Matt. 7:24-27) .

The choices involved in making the second watershed decision (the ground of meaning/morality) correspond to the following questions: For a humanist, “Is there any reason I should not be selfish?” [No/Yes, depending on how you feel or what the rulers decree or how the majority votes.] For a karmaist, “Does how I live ultimately matter?” [Not unless you can remember previous lives.] For a naturalist, “Does instinct negate volition? [If not, then why is evil/hatred not equally right or existentially lawful?] And for a theist, “What does God desire?” [That depends upon what message or revelation is from God.]

Which option and opinion is best or most true? Answering this question involves understanding how truth is acquired (epistemology). Some knowledge is gleaned directly from personal experiences and is available to all who seek to know the truth with an open mind (like Socrates or Buddha) by means of reflecting or meditating on experiences logically. The apostle Paul indicated the world reveals God’s “invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature” (Rom. 1:20) and that conscience indicates “the requirements of the law” (Rom. 2:15).

A second possible way of obtaining knowledge is by learning from the insights or inspiration of others. Divinely inspired knowledge was claimed by Jesus (in John 14:9-11), Paul (in Gal. 1:11-12 & Tit. 1:1-3). Insights could be a combination of reflection and inspiration, perhaps taught by God’s indwelling Spirit, who Jesus said would “guide you into all truth” (John 16:13).
 
In the beginning God created the world as the arena in which to reveal His love for humanity via His Word, incarnate in Messiah Jesus.
A person who perceives God's Word in creation and Christ may cooperate via faith, receive His Spirit, and reflect His Love to humanity.
A person who ignores the Lord's Word/Love/Spirit/Christ as revealed will reap the appropriate destiny after death and be destroyed.
Those who satisfied God's requirement for salvation during their earthly existence will be resurrected to a new heavenly creation.
The details of immortality and eternal bliss have not been revealed, probably because they are beyond human imagination.
All we can do is try to imagine what life would be like in Eden after sanctification on Earth perfected God's plan for man.
 
The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in the credo "Sinners are saved by believing Jesus is Messiah/the Lord incarnate" can be explained or elaborated as follows:
  1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or Creator God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
  2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
  3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
  4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s grace or justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), at which moment God’s loving Holy Spirit of Christ indwells/baptizes the believer into the church (Rev. 3:20, Rom. 5:5, 1Cor. 12:13).
  5. Loving Christ Jesus as Lord (Luke 2:11), God the Son (Matt. 16:16) or God in the human dimension (Col. 2:9) means reflecting divine love as empowered by the Holy Spirit, thereby obeying His command to love one another (Matt. 7:21, 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2), which will eventually achieve spiritual maturity on earth and heaven after Christ returns at God’s resurrection (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Phil. 3:12-16, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).
It should be noted that belief in TULIP contradicts #1 (God is just/does not show favoritism, loves humanity, and willing to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation), because it says God only wants to save some (thereby showing favoritism), hating the non-elect and contradicting the Scriptures that are cited. Paul condemns heretics who pervert the Gospel in the strongest terms in Galatians 1:9.
 
The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in the credo "Sinners are saved by believing Jesus is Messiah/the Lord incarnate" can be explained or elaborated as follows:
  1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or Creator God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
  2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
  3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
  4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s grace or justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), at which moment God’s loving Holy Spirit of Christ indwells/baptizes the believer into the church (Rev. 3:20, Rom. 5:5, 1Cor. 12:13).
  5. Loving Christ Jesus as Lord (Luke 2:11), God the Son (Matt. 16:16) or God in the human dimension (Col. 2:9) means reflecting divine love as empowered by the Holy Spirit, thereby obeying His command to love one another (Matt. 7:21, 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2), which will eventually achieve spiritual maturity on earth and heaven after Christ returns at God’s resurrection (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Phil. 3:12-16, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).
It should be noted that belief in TULIP contradicts #1 (God is just/does not show favoritism, loves humanity, and willing to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation), because it says God only wants to save some (thereby showing favoritism), hating the non-elect and contradicting the Scriptures that are cited. Paul condemns heretics who pervert the Gospel in the strongest terms in Galatians 1:9.
Why is it you persistently speak to yourself ?
 
Why is it you persistently speak to yourself ?

The following was posted to warn readers about the TULIP heresy that contradicts the Gospel:

TULIP contradicts #1 (God is just/does not show favoritism, loves humanity, and willing to provide all morally accountable human
beings salvation), because it says God only wants to save some (thereby showing favoritism), hating the non-elect and contradicting
the Scriptures that are cited as well as Eph. 6:9, Col. 3:25, 1Pet. 1:17; John 3:16, 1John 4:7-12, Rom. 5:8, Matt. 5:44&48, Gal. 5:6&14, Eph. 3:17b-19, Eph. 5:2 1Tim. 2:3-4, Tit. 2:11, Ezek. 33:11, Deut. 30:19, Matt. 23:37, etc.
 
The following was posted to warn readers about the TULIP heresy that contradicts the Gospel:

TULIP contradicts #1 (God is just/does not show favoritism, loves humanity, and willing to provide all morally accountable human
beings salvation), because it says God only wants to save some (thereby showing favoritism), hating the non-elect and contradicting
the Scriptures that are cited as well as Eph. 6:9, Col. 3:25, 1Pet. 1:17; John 3:16, 1John 4:7-12, Rom. 5:8, Matt. 5:44&48, Gal. 5:6&14, Eph. 3:17b-19, Eph. 5:2 1Tim. 2:3-4, Tit. 2:11, Ezek. 33:11, Deut. 30:19, Matt. 23:37, etc.
so all these scriptures where written to condem tulip ?
 
so all these scriptures where written to condem tulip ?

The entire Bible was written to reveal how to be saved, which all heresies contradict,
because that is how heresy is properly defined.
A systematic study of the verses tulipists cite as prooftexts for their dogma harmonizes them with these.
 
The entire Bible was written to reveal how to be saved, which all heresies contradict,
because that is how heresy is properly defined.
A systematic study of the verses tulipists cite as prooftexts for their dogma harmonizes them with these.
doesn't answer the question,

You only seem to answer questions appropriately here when a moderator warns you.
 
A lot of good Scripture has been cited, but not yet that which addresses the obvious question to ask at this point: “What is GRFS for those who have never heard of Jesus?” (which includes everyone living B.C. and millions of people who have lived A.D.)
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." There is no "option B."
 
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." There is no "option B."
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." There is no "option B."
Yes it is his words that are truth and life, ALL his words not just a few we like, but All his words which teach baptism for the remission of sin and giving of the holy ghost ( the new birth) are also HIS WORDS. Plenty of scripture to back this up if you will let the scriptures (his words) do the talking. Jesus did indeed teach baptism see John 4:1 and Matthew 28:18-20 He even said is was a salvation issue see
Mark 16:16
 
NT & BB apparently think no one was saved via general revelation or even via the OT revelation.
However, Paul indicates otherwise in Rom. 1:20, 2:14-16, 4:1-3, 10:13-18, Gal. 3:8, Col. 1:23 and Heb. 11.
 
NT & BB apparently think no one was saved via general revelation or even via the OT revelation.
However, Paul indicates otherwise in Rom. 1:20, 2:14-16, 4:1-3, 10:13-18, Gal. 3:8, Col. 1:23 and Heb. 11.

Can you expand on Romans 2:14-16
 
Can you expand on Romans 2:14-16

Gladly. Romans 2:14-16 indicates that those unfamiliar with the NT or even the OT are still accountable to God for their sins,
because God gives every normal human adult common sense/moral conscience--probably derived from the basic logical principle or golden rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Thus, no one can plead not guilty because of ignorance of GW.
 
Gladly. Romans 2:14-16 indicates that those unfamiliar with the NT or even the OT are still accountable to God for their sins,
because God gives every normal human adult common sense/moral conscience--probably derived from the basic logical principle or golden rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Thus, no one can plead not guilty because of ignorance of GW.

I agree to some extent.

Having understood the Christ from the scripture and the internal conviction therein of His nature.

Knowing also that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are the perfect attributes, reflection of God's nature.

Therefore, we know that Jesus is, above all, divinely perfect and unconditional in His love!

The two greatest commandments in the law focus on love of God and love of man.

So now we know what sin that mankind commits everyday and that is the rejection of Jesus.

Which is the rejection of unconditional, agape love, of both God and man.

It is not common sense or a troubled conscious it is a thinly veiled revelation of Jesus that mankind rejects.

That is why when you use the name of Jesus persecution will really begin.
 
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. (John 3:16-17)

The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent. (John 6:29)

Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved (Acts 16:31)

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (Romans 10:9)
I would suggest that you look up the meaning of the word "saved" as explained in the Strong's concordance, which means delivered. The same definition applies to the word "saved" in Rom 10:1. Consider exactly what they are delivered from. Paul states that Israel has a zeal (ardor) of God, but not according to knowledge. All scriptures must agree with each other in order to reveal the truth of Christ's doctrine. All three of your references of believing in spiritual things does not harmonize with 1 Corinthians 2:4 witch states that the natural man cannot believe in spiritual things. Eph 2:1-5 tells us how the natural man has to be quickened from being dead in sin to alive in Christ before he can believe in spiritual things.
 
God's Requirement For Salvation. GRFS.
:)
If any actions are required to receive eternal deliverance it is a doctrine of works. there is a deliverance by works that the eternally saved people receive here on earth when they obey God's commandments.
 
Yes it is his words that are truth and life, ALL his words not just a few we like, but All his words which teach baptism for the remission of sin and giving of the holy ghost ( the new birth) are also HIS WORDS. Plenty of scripture to back this up if you will let the scriptures (his words) do the talking. Jesus did indeed teach baptism see John 4:1 and Matthew 28:18-20 He even said is wa
NT & BB apparently think no one was saved via general revelation or even via the OT revelation.
However, Paul indicates otherwise in Rom. 1:20, 2:14-16, 4:1-3, 10:13-18, Gal. 3:8, Col. 1:23 and Heb. 11.
If you actually reply to our tag me I'll see your response. If you don't, you can expect that I won't.
 
I agree to some extent.

Having understood the Christ from the scripture and the internal conviction therein of His nature.
Knowing also that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are the perfect attributes, reflection of God's nature.
Therefore, we know that Jesus is, above all, divinely perfect and unconditional in His love!
The two greatest commandments in the law focus on love of God and love of man.
So now we know what sin that mankind commits everyday and that is the rejection of Jesus.
Which is the rejection of unconditional, agape love, of both God and man.
It is not common sense or a troubled conscious it is a thinly veiled revelation of Jesus that mankind rejects.
That is why when you use the name of Jesus persecution will really begin.

Yes, if by "thinly veiled" you are acknowledging that for pre-OT&NT folks rejecting the God revealed per Romans 1:20
and the Golden Rule via moral conscience per Romans 2:14-16 is the equivalent of rejecting the preincarnate Christ.