The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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anyways I have said before that I would stop posting on this thread that was sabotaged by quire a few. so this time it is my last. I have said what I said and replayed the message that Jesus brought to us. I do not intend to force the truth on anyone.

You do know we all have Bibles and read what Jesus said daily, but unlike you, we go past what Jesus said and read about what happened after He ascended. We read about the Holy Spirit descending upon those gathered in the 'upper room' and all the people saved that very day.

We read about and study Paul's instructions to the church (body of Christ) and we are encouraged by the Holy Spirit in us.

Come to think of it, I don't think I have read anything from you regarding God's Spirit. :unsure: Which is not surprising since the Holy Spirit does not argue with Himself or deny scripture.
 
Obedience to God begins with doing what Jesus said.
Jesus said: “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” (John 14:15)
So in real life, obedience means:
• Hearing His words​
• Doing what He teaches​
• Turning from sin​
• Loving God and loving others​
• Keeping the commandments God gave, just as Jesus kept them​
Jesus said the one who enters the kingdom is the one who “does the will of My Father.” (Matthew 7:21)
So obedience is not complicated. It is listening to Jesus and living the way He tells us to live, He gave us the example to follow.

Jesus said a lot more about obedience.
Jesus commandments take at least four forms.
  • Commands about the character of the new person “be this kind of new person”
  • Commands that define the heart of the new person
  • Commands for the new person to avoid
  • Commands related to our common mission
Character of the New Person

Be light – Let your light shine Matt 5:16. If you have ever met a Christian whose light is always on, always at the ready, always asking, “How can I help?”

Be salt Matt 5:17 Salt was what preserved the food of life.

Be a servant Matt 23:11. Perhaps one of our poets put it best

Be a reconciler Matt 5:23-24, 18:15-17

Be on guard against greed and sin Luke 12:15

Take sin very seriously (Matthew 5:29–30)

Be perfect (in love) Matt 5:48

Be forgiving Matt 18:21-22

Be repentant Matt 4:17

Be born again John 3:5

Be the person who will go the second mile Matt 5:41

Be the person who can turn the other cheek Matt 5:39

Be the person who always gives to those who ask Matt 5:42

Be the person who will always loan their stuff Matt 5:42

Be the person who seeks Gods Kingdom first Matt 6:33

Be the person who honors their marriage Mark 10:6-9

Be poor in spirit Matt 5:3

Be meek Matt 5:5

Be the person who hungers and thirsts for righteousness Matt 5:6

Be merciful Matt 5:7

Be pure of heart Matt 5:8

Be peacemakers 5:9

Heart of the New Person

Love and pray for your enemies Matt 5:44-46

Love God and your neighbor as yourself Matt 22:37-39

Love one another as I have loved you John 13:34, John 15:12

Love and invite the poor into your life Luke 14:12-14

Show your love by:

Feeding the hungry and quenching the thirsty Matt 25:35

Inviting in the stranger Matt 25:35

Clothing the naked Matt 25:36

Visiting the sick Matt 25:36

Visiting those in prison Matt 25:36

Things the New Person should avoid

Don’t judge others Matt 7:1

Don’t lust Matt 5:27-30

Don’t fear those that can kill the body Matt 10:28

Don’t store up treasures on earth Matt 6:19

The Mission of the New Person

Find and enter the narrow gate Matt 7:13-14

Ask God for more harvest workers Matt 9:37-38

Make disciples, baptize them and teach them to obey my commandments Matt 28:19-20

Let your light shine before all people (Matthew 5:16)

Be reconciled to one another (Matthew 5:23–24)
 
Jesus gave the Ten Commandments..

He is one with the Father.
Jesus commandments take at least four forms.

  • Commands about the character of the new person “be this kind of new person”
  • Commands that define the heart of the new person
  • Commands for the new person to avoid
  • Commands related to our common mission
Character of the New Person

Be light – Let your light shine Matt 5:16. If you have ever met a Christian whose light is always on, always at the ready, always asking, “How can I help?”

Be salt Matt 5:17 Salt was what preserved the food of life.

Be a servant Matt 23:11. Perhaps one of our poets put it best

Be a reconciler Matt 5:23-24, 18:15-17

Be on guard against greed and sin Luke 12:15

Take sin very seriously (Matthew 5:29–30)

Be perfect (in love) Matt 5:48

Be forgiving Matt 18:21-22

Be repentant Matt 4:17

Be born again John 3:5

Be the person who will go the second mile Matt 5:41

Be the person who can turn the other cheek Matt 5:39

Be the person who always gives to those who ask Matt 5:42

Be the person who will always loan their stuff Matt 5:42

Be the person who seeks Gods Kingdom first Matt 6:33

Be the person who honors their marriage Mark 10:6-9

Be poor in spirit Matt 5:3

Be meek Matt 5:5

Be the person who hungers and thirsts for righteousness Matt 5:6

Be merciful Matt 5:7

Be pure of heart Matt 5:8

Be peace makers 5:9



Heart of the New Person

Love and pray for your enemies Matt 5:44-46

Love God and your neighbor as yourself Matt 22:37-39

Love one another as I have loved you John 13:34, John 15:12

Love and invite the poor into your life Luke 14:12-14

Show your love by:

Feeding the hungry and quenching the thirsty Matt 25:35

Inviting in the stranger Matt 25:35

Clothing the naked Matt 25:36

Visiting the sick Matt 25:36

Visiting those in prison Matt 25:36

Things the New Person should avoid

Don’t judge others Matt 7:1

Don’t lust Matt 5:27-30

Don’t fear those that can kill the body Matt 10:28

Don’t store up treasures on earth Matt 6:19

The Mission of the New Person

Find and enter the narrow gate Matt 7:13-14

Ask God for more harvest workers Matt 9:37-38

Make disciples, baptize them and teach them to obey my commandments Matt 28:19-20

Let your light shine before all people (Matthew 5:16)

Be reconciled to one another (Matthew 5:23–24)
 
Can you summarised in one sentence?


Simple: The LAW is God's will and it is eternal.

Fortunately, we have a SAVIOR who Died to deliver us from the LAW by becoming the perfect SIN OFFERING for us (Isa 53:10). It's called "The Gospel".
 
Jesus said a lot more about obedience.
Jesus commandments take at least four forms.
  • Commands about the character of the new person “be this kind of new person”
  • Commands that define the heart of the new person
  • Commands for the new person to avoid
  • Commands related to our common mission
Character of the New Person

Be light – Let your light shine Matt 5:16. If you have ever met a Christian whose light is always on, always at the ready, always asking, “How can I help?”

Be salt Matt 5:17 Salt was what preserved the food of life.

Be a servant Matt 23:11. Perhaps one of our poets put it best

Be a reconciler Matt 5:23-24, 18:15-17

Be on guard against greed and sin Luke 12:15

Take sin very seriously (Matthew 5:29–30)

Be perfect (in love) Matt 5:48

Be forgiving Matt 18:21-22

Be repentant Matt 4:17

Be born again John 3:5

Be the person who will go the second mile Matt 5:41

Be the person who can turn the other cheek Matt 5:39

Be the person who always gives to those who ask Matt 5:42

Be the person who will always loan their stuff Matt 5:42

Be the person who seeks Gods Kingdom first Matt 6:33

Be the person who honors their marriage Mark 10:6-9

Be poor in spirit Matt 5:3

Be meek Matt 5:5

Be the person who hungers and thirsts for righteousness Matt 5:6

Be merciful Matt 5:7

Be pure of heart Matt 5:8

Be peacemakers 5:9

Heart of the New Person

Love and pray for your enemies Matt 5:44-46

Love God and your neighbor as yourself Matt 22:37-39

Love one another as I have loved you John 13:34, John 15:12

Love and invite the poor into your life Luke 14:12-14

Show your love by:

Feeding the hungry and quenching the thirsty Matt 25:35

Inviting in the stranger Matt 25:35

Clothing the naked Matt 25:36

Visiting the sick Matt 25:36

Visiting those in prison Matt 25:36

Things the New Person should avoid

Don’t judge others Matt 7:1

Don’t lust Matt 5:27-30

Don’t fear those that can kill the body Matt 10:28

Don’t store up treasures on earth Matt 6:19

The Mission of the New Person

Find and enter the narrow gate Matt 7:13-14

Ask God for more harvest workers Matt 9:37-38

Make disciples, baptize them and teach them to obey my commandments Matt 28:19-20

Let your light shine before all people (Matthew 5:16)

Be reconciled to one another (Matthew 5:23–24)


All that might seem intimidating to follow, but we have the Holy Spirit to make obeying God's specifics possible!


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Simple: The LAW is God's will and it is eternal.

Fortunately, we have a SAVIOR who Died to deliver us from the LAW by becoming the perfect SIN OFFERING for us (Isa 53:10). It's called "The Gospel".
Jesus commands are not the "Law" they are the charastics of every born again human being. His mission was to find disciples who would live out His example, not those who preach devisie theology, but those with enough faith to follow him instead of the dogmas that restrict our love and service to only our little group. He described a new person. If we measure our lives against the lives of His new person it frees us from our sectarian, divisive theology barriers. You are either this kind of person or you have never been born again.
 
Jesus commands are not the "Law" they are the charastics of every born again human being. His mission was to find disciples who would live out His example, not those who preach devisie theology, but those with enough faith to follow him instead of the dogmas that restrict our love and service to only our little group. He described a new person. If we measure our lives against the lives of His new person it frees us from our sectarian, divisive theology barriers. You are either this kind of person or you have never been born again.
 
Ecclesiastes 3:14 I know that whatever God does, It shall be forever. Nothing can be added to it, And nothing taken from it. God does it, that men should fear before Him.

Genesis 2:2–3
God finished His work and sanctified the seventh day.
Exodus 20:11 — God rested after completing creation.
Hebrews 4:3–4 — God’s rest stands as a continuing reality.


Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

The finger of God is the Holy Spirit of Truth.

Remember this is what we are told:

Ecclesiastes 3:14 I know that whatever God does, It shall be forever. Nothing can be added to it, And nothing taken from it. God does it, that men should fear before Him.

God makes no mistakes, man does, not God. The Sabbath is part of the work of God that nothing can be added or taken from it, God said the Ten Commandments is His own Testimony written by God Himself.

This whole Sabbath debate is really based on silence. Where in the NT does it say we do not have to keep God's commandments. What He does is forever!

Why God's New Covenant is established on better promises, not better words Heb8:6. God promised His words would not change

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

Why the location of God's Laws changed 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10, not the words because God always keeps His promises. God's law is perfect Psa19:7, holy, just and good Rom7:12 the law is not the issue, never was, the issue is the harden heart of man who doesn't hear Him Heb3:7-19

Because what God does is forever and He said so plainly, that He would not alter the words of His covenant, so every one of the Ten Commandments Exo34:28 Deut4:13 stands forever. Mat5:18-19 including the Sabbath just as the Lord said Isa66:23. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, who are we to take away what He is Lord of. Mark2:28 Its like someone going into our house and tearing it down.

God knows we need physical rest from our works and told us to keep this on the seventh day in His own written and spoken Testimony by God Exo20:8-11 and we need spiritual rest in Him. They work in harmony, not against. Why those who enter His rest also, which means they do something in addition, they also cease from their works as God did on the seventh day. Heb4,4, Heb4:10. Man was always made in the image of God to obey and follow Him. God said Remember and what God does is forever. Keeping what our Heavenly Father asked us to, shows we care about what He asks and hold dear in our hearts what He asked us to keep holy. If our earthy father asked us to remember something important to him, do we show love by forgetting or honoring what He asks. Why do we not do this to our Heavenly Father who gave us everything.
 
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Most assuredly yes. This is a constant with him. I have posted reams of scripture that refute what he teaches and it makes no difference whatsoever. And if that fails him because of persistence, then he will falsely accuse that you are 'after' him and how can he help people if you keep interfering with his 'work'.

The 10 commandments are the covenant, don't cha know? Can it be said plainer than that? He has come up with his own gospel, which is not the gospel of Jesus, not what scripture states and all scripture to the contrary of what he posits shall be promptly ignored and this has continued and most likely will continue. sad

And that is how we end up with almost 50 pages of rinse and repeat. Nothing new under his sun.

What many miss is that Vassal is simply claiming the same thing that the Catholics,
the Reformers, the Orthodox, and Protestants, have claimed from the beginning. That
Gentiles are under the written law and that the written law is binding on all Gentiles.

If you have a problem with Vassal you have a problem with virtually the entire Christian
world. The intrusion of the Mosaic law into the gospel is evident way back in the 2nd century.

Legalism is hard wired into the religious teaching and training of the traditional church,
from the get go.

Vassal and the others cannot understand what you are saying.
 
What many miss is that Vassal is simply claiming the same thing that the Catholics,
the Reformers, the Orthodox, and Protestants, have claimed from the beginning. That
Gentiles are under the written law and that the written law is binding on all Gentiles.

If you have a problem with Vassal you have a problem with virtually the entire Christian
world. The intrusion of the Mosaic law into the gospel is evident way back in the 2nd century.

Legalism is hard wired into the religious teaching and training of the traditional church,
from the get go.

Vassal and the others cannot understand what you are saying.
This isn’t quite true.

The Roman Catholic Church is depending on their work to save them.

When we obey God the way He asks, we are depending on God’s work, not ours.

Genesis 2:2–3
God finished His work and sanctified the seventh day.
Exodus 20:11 — God rested after completing creation.
Hebrews 4:3–4 — God’s rest stands as a continuing reality.


Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

No one can keep the commandments in their own strength and obeying God through love and faith is not legalism unless we are going to deny the very words of Jesus. If you love Me, keep My commandments John14;15 and He goes on to say He will (He is the one doing, we have to cooperate) give us another Helper- the Holy Spirit of Truth who is the One Who wrote His commandment on stone Exo31:18 and than writes them in our heart Heb8:10. Obeying God the way He asks is resting in God.

The RCC changed the 4th commandment and admit to do doing so, the one commandment that comes with the power of God’s Blessing Exo20:11 Isa59:2 and God’s sanctification Eze20:12 Gen2:3 and only God can sanctify a day and only God can sanctify man- both of these God relates in His own words to the seventh day Sabbath- because He is the Creator and worked six days and rested the seventh day, blessed the seventh day and set it apart for holy use. Exo 20:8-11 Gen2:1-3 Heb4:4. What God blesses man cannot reverse Num23:20 what He does is forever Ecc3:14

The Catholic relies on their own sanctification, not God’s, so are trying to earn their salvation by their works, not God’s.
Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
—The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.
 
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This isn’t quite true.

The Roman Catholic Church is depending on their work to save them.

When we obey God the way He asks, we are depending on God’s work, not ours.

Genesis 2:2–3
God finished His work and sanctified the seventh day.
Exodus 20:11 — God rested after completing creation.
Hebrews 4:3–4 — God’s rest stands as a continuing reality.


Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

No one can keep the commandments in their own strength and obeying God through love and faith is not legalism unless we are going to deny the very words of Jesus. If you love Me, keep My commandments John14;15 and He goes on to say He will (He is the one doing, we have to cooperate) give us another Helper- the Holy Spirit of Truth who is the One Who wrote His commandment on stone Exo31:18 and than writes them in our heart Heb8:10. Obeying God the way He asks is resting in God.

The RCC changed the 4th commandment and admit to do doing so, the one commandment that comes with the power of God’s Blessing Exo20:11 Isa59:2 and God’s sanctification Eze20:12 Gen2:3 and only God can sanctify a day and only God can sanctify man- both of these God relates in His own words to the seventh day Sabbath- because He is the Creator and worked six days and rested the seventh day, blessed the seventh day and set it apart for holy use. Exo 20:8-11 Gen2:1-3 Heb4:4. What God blesses man cannot reverse Num23:20 what He does is forever Ecc3:14

The Catholic relies on their own sanctification, not God’s, so are trying to earn their salvation by their works, not God’s.

What about the Reformers, the Protestants, and the Orthodox.

They all have Jesus plus the law.

They copied the ten binding commandments from each other.

The ten are eternal, moral, and natural, they all say that.

Exactly the same storybook and that is why I call them the traditional church.
 
What about the Reformers, the Protestants, and the Orthodox.

They all have Jesus plus the law.

They copied the ten binding commandments from each other.

The ten are eternal, moral, and natural, they all say that.

Exactly the same storybook and that is why I call them the traditional church.
If we are not relying on God’s works, than we are relying on our own.

Only God can sanctify man Eze20:12 man cannot do this themselves Isa66:17 we need God.
 
If we are not relying on God’s works, than we are relying on our own.

Only God can sanctify man Eze20:12 man cannot do this themselves Isa66:17 we need God.

What about the Reformers, the Protestants, and the Orthodox.

They all have Jesus plus the law.

They copied the ten binding commandments from each other.

Is it only the Catholics that follow the law?

Just admit to it.
 
What about the Reformers, the Protestants, and the Orthodox.

They all have Jesus plus the law.

They copied the ten binding commandments from each other.

Is it only the Catholics that follow the law?

Just admit to it.

The Catholics follow their own law and admit to it. Many of the Protestant churches who came out of that system, never came out all of the way, still keep some of their traditions that goes against the law of God.

The only commandments that matters is keeping God’s, not mans 1Cor7:19 Mat7:7-13 Mat15:3-14

I am not really sure how this response addresses the Scriptures in my post you are replying to, but I am okay agreeing to disagree.
 
On a different Christian forum, someone posted this - "The whole argument of Hebrews 4 is STILL keeping the sabbath and not doing it is linked to disobedience where you will "perish".

So, "keep the sabbath or perish." I wish more of these sabbath day obsessed Sabbatarians would just admit that's what they teach. :oops:
 
On a different Christian forum, someone posted this - "The whole argument of Hebrews 4 is STILL keeping the sabbath and not doing it is linked to disobedience where you will "perish".

So, "keep the sabbath or perish." I wish more of these sabbath day obsessed Sabbatarians would just admit that's what they teach. :oops:
Hi mailmandan!
Why did you post this by itself? It seems these forums are for talking and sharing to one another. Yet you posted this without responding to anyone. Don't you like talking to people?

As for your question in most forums it is against their rules to say one will be lost for this or that. I think it is here too.
So if one wants to keep sharing in these formats they will not say what you wish them to say.

Why do you say they are obsessed with the Sabbath Day?
 
Hi mailmandan!
Why did you post this by itself? It seems these forums are for talking and sharing to one another. Yet you posted this without responding to anyone. Don't you like talking to people?

As for your question in most forums it is against their rules to say one will be lost for this or that. I think it is here too.
So if one wants to keep sharing in these formats they will not say what you wish them to say.

Why do you say they are obsessed with the Sabbath Day?
Why not post it by itself? It's open for discussion with anyone in this thread and not simply one person. I talk and share with people all the time in various threads on Christian Chat. When folks continue to make a huge fuss over the sabbath day, that tells me they are obsessed with it. So, do you agree with the poster I quoted who said - "The whole argument of Hebrews 4 is STILL keeping the sabbath and not doing it is linked to disobedience where you will "perish". ?
 
On a different Christian forum, someone posted this - "The whole argument of Hebrews 4 is STILL keeping the sabbath and not doing it is linked to disobedience where you will "perish".

So, "keep the sabbath or perish." I wish more of these sabbath day obsessed Sabbatarians would just admit that's what they teach. :oops:
Thats something for God to decide, not you, not I. According to God the Sabbath is one of God's commandments, He wrote it and claimed it as His Exo20:6 Exo31:18 and I do not believe God views breaking the Sabbath different than breaking any of the other commandments.

But lets go to what God said about this very subject that Hebrews 4 is reminding us of.

This is what God said to the Israelites

Eze 20: 12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

But instead of placing the Word of God above anything else what did they do?

Heb4:5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,

What did they disobey? God said hallow My Sabbaths....what did they do instead...

Eze 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

And for their disobedience what was the consequence:

Eze 20:15 So I also raised My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, ‘flowing with milk and honey,’ the glory of all lands, 16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.

Why Hebrews 4 is bringing us back to obedience to God's commandments especially the 4th commandment that God spoke of in this way:

Heb4:4 For He has spoken (Exo20:1)in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”

This is what God spoke of the seventh day in this way

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

So the Israelites were not able to enter into their promised rest because they broke the Sabbath, God Himself said it equates to idol worship because we are replacing what God said, with the words of someone else. Does God love us more than those who came before us.

We are told plainly not to follow in their same example of disobedience

Heb 4: 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

To enter into our promised rest

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

No one can reverse God's blessings or sanctification because we are not God. Lets not reject what God blessed and sanctified and what He is Lord of but instead be His servants Isa56:6 and obey Him through love and faith, not what is made popular by man.