The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[vassal]

Jesus initially sent the Twelve apostles only to Israel. As Scripture records, “These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Matthew 10:5-7). This shows God’s plan began with Israel, fulfilling prophecy and preparing His people (Matthew 15:24),(Isaiah 53:6),(Jeremiah 50:6-7 ),(Ezekiel 34:5-6)

Yet the leaders of Israel rejected Him, ultimately killing Him, as it is written, “They said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him… and slew him” (Matthew 21:38). Their rejection fulfilled prophecy: “He was despised and rejected by men” (Isaiah 53:3). Because of this rejection, Jesus explained that the kingdom of God would be taken from them and given to others who would bear fruit (Matthew 21:43).

After His death and resurrection, the gospel—the new and eternal covenant—was sent to all humanity. Jesus said, “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come” (Matthew 24:14). He also commanded, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned” (Mark 16:15-16). This shows that salvation through Jesus is available to everyone, not just Israel.

Before His death, Jesus lived under the old covenant given only to Israel, fulfilling the Law and the Prophets perfectly. God had promised a new covenant: “Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah… which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD” (Jeremiah 31:31-32). This new covenant was not the same as the old; it was better, offering life and restoration through the Messiah (Jeremiah 31:33).

God’s plan from the beginning included the nations. To Abraham He said, “In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice” (Genesis 22:18). The prophets repeatedly showed that Gentiles would share in His salvation. Isaiah declared, “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob… I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles, that You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth” (Isaiah 49:6), and, “The Gentiles shall come to your light, And kings to the brightness of your rising” (Isaiah 60:3). Zechariah added, “Many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and they shall become My people” (Zechariah 2:11). The Psalms also reflect this universal plan: “That Your way may be known on earth, Your salvation among all nations. Let the peoples praise You, O God; Let all the peoples praise You!” (Psalm 67:2-3) and, “All nations whom You have made shall come and worship before You, O Lord, And shall glorify Your name” (Psalm 86:9).

The new covenant through Jesus is better and offers true life. Through it, all who hear and believe in Him have access to eternal salvation (John 10:10; John 3:16). Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection fulfilled God’s plan, opening the way for all nations to be included in His kingdom, confirming that from Abraham through the prophets to Christ, God always intended salvation for both Jews and Gentiles alike.

 

[memberofthebride]

Christ came preaching the "Good news of the coming of the kingdom/government of God"
The News God's Government will soon rule the entire earth, no more governments of men -- Thank GOD!

If you "believe" Christ is your Master, you will obey, do what HE commands. Action is a requirement.

Why is it written Christ comes to rule with a "Rod of Iron"? those that refuse to obey will be punished!

read the 14th Chapter of Zechariah

 

[mailmandan]

Comment to all

To all of you that accept, believe --- all that is necessary for eternal life -- is simply; belief.

Then; why is Jesus Christ stating this? Is He simply angry they would not believe?

Wait, He said its because they would not allow HIM to rule over them.

A ruler has rules for his servants, servants must obey their master, Who is our Master? He bought and paid for each of us by HIS death. Jesus Christ expect His servants to obey HIS rules.

If you have a boss, do you obey, it you don’t I would expect you will not be employed much longer.

Luke 19

22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, [thou] wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

By what set of rules will Christ JUDGE us? Valid Question! All judgment has been given to Christ by the Father.

23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?

Thus; Jesus Christ expect those that follow HIM to produce!

24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give [it] to him that hath ten pounds.

25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds. )

26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

If you do not Grow in the attributes of the Divine nature of God, fruit of spirit, "even that he hath shall be taken away from him."

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.

Unless you pick and chose the scriptures you believe and reject the balance, then please explain why Christ will put to death those that refuse to obey?

Refuse to allow HIM to be their Master.

The children of Israel (Oh Israel - Isaiah 43:1) were called the Lord’s servants, but they were not all saved. Isaiah 43:10 - "You are My witnesses, says the Lord," And My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me.

Leviticus 25:55 - For the children of Israel are servants to Me; they are My servants whom I brought out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God. Yet God later destroyed those who did not believe. (Jude 1:5)

Nehemiah 1:6 - please let Your ear be attentive and Your eyes open, that You may hear the prayer of Your servant which I pray before You now, day and night, for the children of Israel Your servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel which we have sinned against You. Both my father’s house and I have sinned.

 

[mailmandan]

If Jesus preached the Kingdom of Heaven only to Israel, How will you enter? Also what do people who believe do? if believing In God and Jesus simply enough? assuredly Not.

Jesus initially sent the Twelve apostles only to Israel. As Scripture records, “These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Matthew 10:5-7). This shows God’s plan began with Israel, fulfilling prophecy and preparing His people (Matthew 15:24),(Isaiah 53:6),(Jeremiah 50:6-7 ),(Ezekiel 34:5-6

It looks like you answered your own question.

 

[mailmandan]

I did prove and can prove again there is was NO mystery about Jews and Gentiles to be united and becoming one people. it was WRITTEN BEFORE PAUL. You cannot erase scripture and what it means. I found also other verses in the O.T. read again what i wrote and prove to me the scripture I provided was wrong and means something else. it says what it says Jews ans Gentiles will become one people one flock.

Actually, you did not prove your point. Do you understand that a mystery refers to divine truths, particularly future events that were hidden by God but later revealed through prophets who pointed to deeper spiritual realities which often foreshadowed Jesus Christ?

here they are again, only the verses that you cannot possibly have read or you would have understood;

Genesis 22:18 (NKJV)
“In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”

Isaiah 49:6 (NKJV)
“It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles, that You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.”

John 10:16 (NKJV)
“And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.”

Matthew 8:11 (NKJV)
“And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.”

Matthew 28:19 (NKJV)
“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”

Acts 10:34–35 (NKJV)
“Then Peter opened his mouth and said: ‘In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.’”

Here are additional Old Testament verses from the prophets showing that God’s salvation and blessing extend beyond Israel to the Gentile nations:

Isaiah 2:2‑3 (NKJV):
“In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s house shall be established… and all nations shall flow to it. Many people shall come and say, ‘Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD… and He will teach us His ways, and we shall walk in His paths.’”

Isaiah 60:3 (NKJV):
“The Gentiles shall come to your light, And kings to the brightness of your rising.”

Zechariah 2:11 (NKJV):
“Many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and they shall become My people.”

Psalm 67:2‑3 (NKJV):
“That Your way may be known on earth, Your salvation among all nations. Let the peoples praise You, O God; Let all the peoples praise You!”

Psalm 86:9 (NKJV):
“All nations whom You have made shall come and worship before You, O Lord, And shall glorify Your name.”

Each of these extra passages added were spoken centuries before Jesus lived, yet they clearly show that God’s plan always included people from every nation coming to Him, being blessed, and becoming His people — not only Israel. I have more verses if needed.

These prophecies still do not give us the complete picture from later revealed progressive revelation. You don't seem to understand what a mystery is.

1 Corinthians 2:7 - But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,

Ephesians 3:1 - For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 now that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. 8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 6:19 - and for me, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel.

Colossians 1:26 - the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations but now has been revealed to His saints. 27 To them God willed to make known what re the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Colossians 4:3 - meanwhile praying also for us, that God would open to us a door for the word, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in chains.

Just because a prophecy was given in the OT does not mean everyone always fully understood in the NT. In Galatians 1:11-12, we read - But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

In Matthew 16:15, Jesus asked His disciples, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. Now Peter had no clue that Jesus Christ would be crucified, buried and resurrected, yet he did believe that Jesus was the Messiah. This is obvious when, only moments later, Peter rebukes Jesus Christ for saying he will be killed, and be raised again the third day" (Matthew 16:21). In verse 22, "..Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

Before his death, Jesus told the twelve that he had to die and that he would rise on the third day. Looking back upon this passage we see this as Jesus speaking of an event that would change everything! However, it is unquestionable that the disciples were ignorant of its meaning.

“Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem...And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken. – Luke 18:31-34. Now that's strange if the further content of the gospel that came through a revelation of Jesus Christ to Paul and was a mystery prior to that has the exact same content as the gospel of the kingdom as you claim. *This is where we need to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.

After his crucifixion, instead of anxiously waiting his resurrection, the apostles were still ignorant, disheartened at the death of their redeemer, and did not even at first believe the testimony of his resurrection. (Mark 16:14, Luke 24:19-24) It was not until after his resurrection that Jesus appeared to the apostles and opened their understanding. (Luke 24:44-47)

So, just because something is prophesied about in the OT does not mean it can't remain a mystery until later revealed in the NT.

 

[mailmandan]

Christ came preaching the "Good news of the coming of the kingdom/government of God"
The News God's Government will soon rule the entire earth, no more governments of men -- Thank GOD!

If you "believe" Christ is your Master, you will obey, do what HE commands. Action is a requirement.

Why is it written Christ comes to rule with a "Rod of Iron"? those that refuse to obey will be punished!

read the 14th Chapter of Zechariah

I never said that Christ is not my Master or that I should not obey Him. Obedience is not forced or legalistic for those who are born of God. (1 John 3:7-10)

 

[vassal]

I never said that Christ is not my Master or that I should not obey Him. Obedience is not forced or legalistic for those who are born of God. (1 John 3:7-10)

“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?"

 

[mailmandan]

“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?"

What things has He said to do that I have not done that you are concerned about? Many people call Him 'Lord, Lord' and fail to do His will unto salvation. (Matthew 7:21-23; John 6:40)

 

[vassal]

It looks like you answered your own question.

the rest of the text that i was replying to from pilgrinshope mentioned also that Jesus sent the 12 to all corners of earth to preach all Jesus did and all he said, I have texplained this many times already do not pretend it stops at the verse where jesu said " I came first to Israel" that is dishonest. Here is the rest of the posr you quoted from me that you omitted to make your point wich is false;

""God’s plan from the beginning included the nations. To Abraham He said, “In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice” (Genesis 22:18). The prophets repeatedly showed that Gentiles would share in His salvation. Isaiah declared, “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob… I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles, that You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth” (Isaiah 49:6), and, “The Gentiles shall come to your light, And kings to the brightness of your rising” (Isaiah 60:3). Zechariah added, “Many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and they shall become My people” (Zechariah 2:11). The Psalms also reflect this universal plan: “That Your way may be known on earth, Your salvation among all nations. Let the peoples praise You, O God; Let all the peoples praise You!” (Psalm 67:2-3) and, “All nations whom You have made shall come and worship before You, O Lord, And shall glorify Your name” (Psalm 86:9).""

Tell Me why should continue to discuss anything with you when you treat me like this? and you reject scripture, No More.

Know this: Only Christ can give you to eternal life no one else, listen to his words and DO as he asks. at the end all will be judged bY christ words

 

[vassal]

What things has He said to do that I have not done that you are concerned about? Many people call Him 'Lord, Lord' and fail to do His will unto salvation. (Matthew 7:21-23; John 6:40)

Only you Know and I am not your Judge, Truly I say to you, do everything Jesus asks and you will be fine, listen to no one else but Christ, his words are simple clear, you cannot go wrong if you follow him. from now on for you I willingly reply if you have questions about Christ and nothing else.

I wonder did you ever started any threads or do you simply post replies? can you link a few so I can have a look?

 

[mailmandan]

the rest of the text that i was replying to from pilgrinshope mentioned also that Jesus sent the 12 to all corners of earth to preach all Jesus did and all he said, I have texplained this many times already do not pretend it stops at the verse where jesu said " I came first to Israel" that is dishonest. Here is the rest of the posr you quoted from me that you omitted to make your point wich is false;

""God’s plan from the beginning included the nations. To Abraham He said, “In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice” (Genesis 22:18). The prophets repeatedly showed that Gentiles would share in His salvation. Isaiah declared, “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob… I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles, that You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth” (Isaiah 49:6), and, “The Gentiles shall come to your light, And kings to the brightness of your rising” (Isaiah 60:3). Zechariah added, “Many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and they shall become My people” (Zechariah 2:11). The Psalms also reflect this universal plan: “That Your way may be known on earth, Your salvation among all nations. Let the peoples praise You, O God; Let all the peoples praise You!” (Psalm 67:2-3) and, “All nations whom You have made shall come and worship before You, O Lord, And shall glorify Your name” (Psalm 86:9).""

Tell Me why should continue to discuss anything with you when you treat me like this? and you reject scripture, No More.

Know this: Only Christ can give you to eternal life no one else, listen to his words and DO as he asks. at the end all will be judged bY christ words

I don't reject scripture. I simply reject your eisegesis which culminates in works-righteousness. Eternal life is for believers and is only found in Jesus Christ. (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18; 6:50,47; 11:25,26; 10:9; 14:6)

 

[vassal]

I don't reject scripture. I simply reject your eisegesis which culminates in works-righteousness. Eternal life is for believers and is only found in Jesus Christ. (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18; 6:50,47; 11:25,26; 10:9; 14:6)

what you wrote is again false "which culminates in works-righteousness."

so I take it you never started any threads of your own, got it.

 

[mailmandan]

what you wrote is again false "which culminates in works-righteousness."

You had previously stated:

Jesus taught that God’s commandments are not only the guide for living well now, but also the path to eternal life.

Jesus showed that eternal life is not earned by wealth or words, but by living in obedience to God’s law.

I rest my case.You don't even realize that you teach works-righteousness.

so I take it you never started any threads of your own, got it.

I have not started a thread of my own in quite a while.

 

[vassal]

Actually, you did not prove your point. Do you understand that a mystery refers to divine truths, particularly future events that were hidden by God but later revealed through prophets who pointed to deeper spiritual realities which often foreshadowed Jesus Christ?

These prophecies still do not give us the complete picture from later revealed progressive revelation. You don't seem to understand what a mystery is.

1 Corinthians 2:7 - But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,

Ephesians 3:1 - For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 now that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. 8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 6:19 - and for me, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel.

Colossians 1:26 - the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations but now has been revealed to His saints. 27 To them God willed to make known what re the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Colossians 4:3 - meanwhile praying also for us, that God would open to us a door for the word, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in chains.

Just because a prophecy was given in the OT does not mean everyone always fully understood in the NT. In Galatians 1:11-12, we read - But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

In Matthew 16:15, Jesus asked His disciples, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. Now Peter had no clue that Jesus Christ would be crucified, buried and resurrected, yet he did believe that Jesus was the Messiah. This is obvious when, only moments later, Peter rebukes Jesus Christ for saying he will be killed, and be raised again the third day" (Matthew 16:21). In verse 22, "..Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

Before his death, Jesus told the twelve that he had to die and that he would rise on the third day. Looking back upon this passage we see this as Jesus speaking of an event that would change everything! However, it is unquestionable that the disciples were ignorant of its meaning.

“Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem...And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken. – Luke 18:31-34. Now that's strange if the further content of the gospel that came through a revelation of Jesus Christ to Paul and was a mystery prior to that has the exact same content as the gospel of the kingdom as you claim. *This is where we need to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.

After his crucifixion, instead of anxiously waiting his resurrection, the apostles were still ignorant, disheartened at the death of their redeemer, and did not even at first believe the testimony of his resurrection. (Mark 16:14, Luke 24:19-24) It was not until after his resurrection that Jesus appeared to the apostles and opened their understanding. (Luke 24:44-47)

So, just because something is prophesied about in the OT does not mean it can't remain a mystery until later revealed in the NT.

false before I read paul and I quote:

"mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ."

I already knew all of this from scripture about Jews and gentiles being one people under Christ, One flock. I knew also prophecy about Christ that were fulfilled, Christ said it all before paul. A proven fact. when paul preached perhaps this was not known widely but it was never hidden or a mystery no matter what attribution you want to give to the word mystery. Christ always evealed everyting openly and NEVER said anything in secret.

 

[mailmandan]

false before I read paul and I quote:

"mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ."

I already knew all of this from scripture about Jews and gentiles being one people under Christ, One flock. I knew also prophecy about Christ that were fulfilled, Christ said it all before paul. A proven fact. when paul preached perhaps this was not known widely but it was never hidden or a mystery no matter what attribution you want to give to the word mystery. Christ always evealed everyting openly and NEVER said anything in secret.

So, you simply disregard all the verses I shared with you in post #965?

 

[vassal]

You had previously stated:

Jesus taught that God’s commandments are not only the guide for living well now, but also the path to eternal life.

Jesus showed that eternal life is not earned by wealth or words, but by living in obedience to God’s law.

I rest my case.You don't even realize that you teach works-righteousness.

I have not started a thread of my own in quite a while.

Jesus did say the tem commandments are the path to teernal life have you forgotten already?

YES Obedience to Jesus is essential. Obedience to God's words is not popular today, people want to to what they want, this is the way of the world.

are you afraid that you do here will happen to you as well?

anyways I have said before that I would stop posting on this thread that was sabotaged by quire a few. so this time it is my last. I have said what I said and replayed the message that Jesus brought to us. I do not intend to force the truth on anyone.

Goodbye

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Jesus sent the twelve to preach only to Israel. Matthew 10:5 - These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ The disciples were specifically told to go only to the people of Israel, and "Pre Cross" they were not yet preaching anything about the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. This shows that before the cross, the more distinct element to the content of the gospel of the grace of God that Paul taught and came to him through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12) was still a mystery.

In Matthew 16:15, Jesus Christ asked His disciples, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

This is obvious when, only moments later, Peter rebukes Jesus Christ for saying he will be killed, and be raised again the third day" (Matthew 16:21). In verse 22, "..Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

Before his death, Jesus told the twelve that he had to die and that he would rise on the third day. Looking back upon this passage we see this as Jesus speaking of an event that would change everything! However, it is unquestionable that the disciples were ignorant of its meaning.

“Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem...And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken. – Luke 18:331-34. Now that's strange if the further content of the gospel that came through a revelation of Jesus Christ to Paul and was a mystery prior to that has the exact same content as the gospel of the kingdom. *This is where we need to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.

After his crucifixion, instead of anxiously waiting his resurrection, the apostles were still ignorant, disheartened at the death of their redeemer, and did not even at first believe the testimony of his resurrection. (Mark 16:14, Luke 24:19-24) It was not until after his resurrection that Jesus appeared to the apostles and opened their understanding. (Luke 24:44-47)

I’m not sure I disagree with most of what you are saying except that you’re singling out paul .

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: and that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: after that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3-9, 11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul is explaining it doesn’t matter if the other apostles preach the gospel to you or i Paul do it “we preach and you believe “ a lot of Paul’s boasting about himself is because many Christian’s knew he had been an enemy of the church persecuting them and a lot of them slandered him and said he wasn’t an apostle ( not the apostles they accepted him ) but other Christian’s feared him doubting his change of heart so often he was arguing that he was as much of an apostle as anyone else just that he was born later than the others.

paul was given revelation by God the same types of revelation he gave the apostles in the gospel and told them would later come when they received his spirit .

“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew ( reveal ) it unto you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Peter and Paul’s doctrine goes together is my point all of it does with Jesus doctrine it’s all one testament like this

Jesus
“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul
“Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:1, 3‬ ‭

james

It’s meant to all be taken in the same because it’s not about Paul or Peter it’s about the spirit of the lord in them all who he made the foundation of his church and witnesses to all nations

his doctrine

This was a very significant moment in our discussion

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

paul was someone trying to stop that at this point . But it’s not about the apostles names it’s about the spirit in them that spoke the doctrine it’s always the same doctrine and spirit Paul Peter James John just different styles and words

 

[mailmandan]

Jesus did say the tem commandments are the path to teernal life have you forgotten already?

I have not forgotten your confusion about the rich young ruler. Did Jesus forget to mention that the 10 commandments are the path to eternal life in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26? Was that mentioned in Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 15:1-4; 2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippines 3:9?

YES Obedience to Jesus is essential. Obedience to God's words is not popular today, people want to to what they want, this is the way of the world.

So, how much obedience does it take? Believers exhibit obedience to God's words yet none of us exhibit sinless, perfect obedience 100% of the time. (1 John 1:8-10)

are you afraid that you do here will happen to you as well?

Why should I?

anyways I have said before that I would stop posting on this thread that was sabotaged by quire a few. so this time it is my last. I have said what I said and replayed the message that Jesus brought to us. I do not intend to force the truth on anyone.

Goodbye

Romans 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I have not forgotten your confusion about the rich young ruler. Did Jesus forget to mention that the 10 commandments are the path to eternal life in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26? Was that mentioned in Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 15:1-4; 2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippines 3:9?

So, how much obedience does it take? Believers exhibit obedience to God's words yet none of us exhibit sinless, perfect obedience 100% of the time. (1 John 1:8-10)

Why should I?

Romans 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.

“So, how much obedience does it take? Believers exhibit obedience to God's words yet none of us exhibit sinless, perfect obedience 100% of the time.”

thats just rhe thing look at what you are saying there . Then look at Jesus doctrine

“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.

And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

his doctrine draws sinners to him consider the kind of people this appeals to

“And he said, A certain man had two sons: and the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living. And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living. And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want. And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him. And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, and am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants. And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him. And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son. But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet: and bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry: for this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:11-24‬ ‭

jesus doctrine only appeals to people who can acknowledge thier own sins and shortcomings that we all have on our ledger at some point. Self righteous religious folks with long phylacteries despised him teaching sinners the kingdom of God . “The Lord ? Eating and speaking and visiting with sinners ? “

of course something like this if I “ never sin “ doesn’t even appeal or seem
Important but if I can acknowledge my own sins before him look what it says

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If I never acknowledge my sin how could. I be forgiven or cleansed by the lord .

“Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: According unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, And cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions: And my sin is ever before me.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭51:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I acknowledged my sin unto thee, And mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; And thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found:….
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭32:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus doctrine isn’t the law of Moses ….it’s the things he taught his disciples in the gospel

 

[pinebeach]

So, you simply disregard all the verses I shared with you in post #965?

Most assuredly yes. This is a constant with him. I have posted reams of scripture that refute what he teaches and it makes no difference whatsoever. And if that fails him because of persistence, then he will falsely accuse that you are 'after' him and how can he help people if you keep interfering with his 'work'.

The 10 commandments are the covenant, don't cha know? Can it be said plainer than that? He has come up with his own gospel, which is not the gospel of Jesus, not what scripture states and all scripture to the contrary of what he posits shall be promptly ignored and this has continued and most likely will continue. sad

And that is how we end up with almost 50 pages of rinse and repeat. Nothing new under his sun.