The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[TMS]

We love simple formulas. We have had 2,000 yrs to come up with our unique take on the dissection of the Law of Moses. We divide those laws into clear categories that fit our concepts of morality and religion. We like the clarity of the 10 commandments, but we deny their implications and applications. The same law that says you must not commit adultery, which we accept, also says that a women caught in adultery must be put to death. Just an example of the lip service we make that make the 10 Commandments into the 10 principles. When the 10 Commandments says "make no graven images" we laugh. Our world is 90% graven images. When the 10 commandments requires to Keep the Sabbath day holy, that is our recreation and party day. The commandment is to have no other god before me, but if we examine our checkbooks we find that there dozens of gods in front of God (where your money is there will be your heart also. A man cannot love God and money etc).

We tend to find ways, interpretations, rationalizations, creeds and dogmas that all have one function, relieve us from responsibility to God. We do not have to obey God. That was the old law. All we need now is what we call "faith." Then we can and do live exactly like we did "pre-salvation." The Old Law demonstrated the gap between how we chose to live and the way God wants us to live. We are thrilled it no longer applies, because we no longer have anything that requires any unique behavior, only a unique way of thinking we call faith. We have further inoculated our spiritual lives with the holy medicine that says even attempting to live in obedience is a form of false religion because it involves "works." The old law taught us obedience was God's chosen path to Him. Our New Law says obedience is the enemy of "true faith." Obedience might come as a result of faith or not. It does not matter because it has nothing to do with our "salvation." We once agreed to a 60 second pulpit prayer and in return we have a guarantee of heaven..... obedience is sooo Old Testament

People love the lies of Satan that disregard the Laws, Satan has made the rules, laws and commandments an enemy, and the lusts of the flesh are quick to believe these lies.
People are good at making excuses, justifying their actions.

God is merciful and loving but He does not lower His perfect standard of righteousness.

Salvation was the perfect plan to combine justice and mercy.

The moral law was not removed yet God saved us from it by paying the penalty for us. Mercy and Justice.

If He removed or changed or substituted the law so we no longer need to obey it then the standard of righteousness has been changed.

 

[TMS]

The Holy Spirit does indwell believers, but He did not die for you. We are not guilty of trangressing the law or comitting sin because we are considered righteous by God because of His Son who died for us. You can fool yourself all you want, but the harm here is caused to people who are not well versed in scripture, though they may be a believer. Worse, if a new believer reads this babble, it could cause confusion and misunderstanding of scripture.

Why is it a misunderstanding?

If the flesh is dead... and the Spirit is living in us, will the Spirit transgress the law? Will the Spirit sin? Will the Spirit lead us to act like Christ or not?

The process of Justification is what makes us able to stand before God as if we have never sinned. Full forgiveness of our guilt. But what about today and tomorrow.. do I stop asking for God's Spirit and continue to sin? No

The Spirit is essential, for the heart to truly do what is righteous we need God living in us.

Rom 8:4-9
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[TMS]

Christians do not have a commandment covenant with God. We have a blood covenant through God's Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

You just looked at the blood of goats and sanctuary in the OT, and explained that Jesus is the blood that saves us...

Keep investigating this subject please.. the sanctuary was a type.
The typology is very eye opening.

The antitype is Jesus and the sanctuary in heaven.

The ark of the covenant was in the most Holy place and contained the 10 commandments above the 10 commandments was the mercy seat.

This is all a type of the heavenly.

How does it apply today?

The law is still in the center of the ark and without the mercy of God we would all be condemned to death. But thanks to the blood of Jesus God can have mercy on us. Ex 25 tells the details well

Heb 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

[GWH]

YES, true
"He who loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law/commandments." and Commandments 6 -10 reveal exactly how we are to show, express that love. Like wise 1 - 4 show us how to love God, including #4
there has been a play on words since the beginning 2000 years ago, to avoid obeying or to reduce complying with every word of God.
Which is why the Wrath of God is almost upon us. our cup of lawlessness is running over.

No, the Sabbath law was not repromulgated in the NT, indicating that it was part of the Levitical laws, not the moral laws,
which WERE reaffirmed in the NT, sometimes even more strictly in the Sermon on the Mount.

 

[TMS]

Please tell us who are those who do not understand that unrepentant sin leads to death? Who are these people? If a person has accepted Jesus as their Savior, the one who atoned for all the sins of mankind, then they are law breakers or covenant breakers or commandment breakers.

Could it be you do not understand that Jesus has already paid the full price of sin and God is the One who sent Him to earth to accomplish this/

But the judgement phase is also important... blood is given to the repentant not everyone. Repentance means to turn away from sin. Sin is the transgression of the law.

It is all good and well to know that Jesus died for everyone's sins but we should also be saying.... Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The hour of judgement has come..

Mat 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Judgement is happening and those that do not have fruits meet for repentance will not recieve the salvation of Jesus.

Repentance for me includes turning away from the sin defined in the 10 commandments..
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 5:2-3
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

 

[pinebeach]

But the judgement phase is also important... blood is given to the repentant not everyone. Repentance means to turn away from sin. Sin is the transgression of the law.

No one 'gets' blood. Sin is denying the blood of Christ as the New Covenant.

Jesus is the end of the law. We do not believe we can now sin. If someone says that, they are lying because it has been said multiple of multiple times in this thread and others, that no one believes that. As a believer, if we have actually become a believer because some just do lip service, we now desire to please God and as such, we DO NOT WISH TO COMMIT SIN.

Stop your false posts in which you state we are sinning. TMS even said that if we do observe the 'Sabbath', then we are sinning and breaking the law.

Here is what the actual Bible has to say about that:


6Therefore, just as you have received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to walk in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him, established in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. 10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

11In Him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christb and not by human hands. 12And having been buried with Him in baptism, you were raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind. 19He has lost connection to the head, from whom the whole body, supported and knit together by its joints and ligaments, grows as God causes it to grow. Ephesians 2


Are you judging those who do not go to a church or fellowship on Saturday? Then you had better stop because Paul says those people delight in FALSE humility.

We are in Christ and no amount of false judgement or accusation can change that. No amount of cursing someone can have effect. There is but one truth here and it is not believing the commandments are now the covenant.

The covenant, in the very words of Jesus Himself as I have posted a couple of times now, is through His blood. Deny this, and you are denying Jesus.

But the judgement phase is also important... blood is given to the repentant not everyone. Repentance means to turn away from sin. Sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[pinebeach]

It is all good and well to know that Jesus died for everyone's sins but we should also be saying.... Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

You take salvation that lightly that you can actually say 'it is all good and well to know that Jesus died for everyone's sins"?

We are not in the hour of God's judgement. We are still in the hour of grace. It seems you will do anything but acknowledge the gift of God in sending His Son for our salvation and you are still admiring yourself in the mirror.

 

[TMS]

No, the Sabbath law was not repromulgated in the NT, indicating that it was part of the Levitical laws, not the moral laws,
which WERE reaffirmed in the NT, sometimes even more strictly in the Sermon on the Mount.

Firstly the 10 commandments were not changed or removed anywhere in the bible... it is human presumption to say they are not valid or to change them.. God spoke them Himself so it would not be a simple thing to remove them..

Secondly the sabbath was mentioned many times in the New Testament..

Jesus said
Mar 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

That does not sound like something you would say if you knew it was about to be nailed to the cross.

Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

This next verse is clearly applied to the last days. If Jesus knew that the sabbath laws were about to be removed. Why did He say ...
Mat 24:20-22 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Pray that your flight be not on the sabbath... this proves that the sabbath would still be valid at the end.

 

[TMS]

As a believer, if we have actually become a believer because some just do lip service, we now desire to please God and as such, we DO NOT WISH TO COMMIT SIN.

So what is your definition of sin..

We have different definitions of what sin is..

I know the 10 commandments have not been removed. So I delight in the law of God.

Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psa 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Psa 119:70-72
70 Their heart is as fat as grease; but I delight in thy law. 71 It is good for me that I have been afflicted; that I might learn thy statutes. 72 The law of thy mouth is better unto me than thousands of gold and silver.
Psa 119:92-94
92 Unless thy law had been my delights, I should then have perished in mine affliction. 93 I will never forget thy precepts: for with them thou hast quickened me. 94 I am thine, save me; for I have sought thy precepts (commandments, laws).
Psa 119:174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

 

[lrs68]

Actually Yeshua said, and if you take the time to read the 10 Commandments it's perfectly simplified just how Yeshua defined them to love God and to love everyone else.

Basically the 10 Commandments perfectly define Love. It actually falls in perfect line with Paul's 1 Corinthians 13 which we know as the Biblical Chapter of Love.

So there's not a single doubt in my mind that the 10 Commandments are relevant today because it's not about rules but about who we are to be loving.

 

[biblestudent78]

People love the lies of Satan that disregard the Laws, Satan has made the rules, laws and commandments an enemy, and the lusts of the flesh are quick to believe these lies.
People are good at making excuses, justifying their actions.

God is merciful and loving but He does not lower His perfect standard of righteousness.

Salvation was the perfect plan to combine justice and mercy.

The moral law was not removed yet God saved us from it by paying the penalty for us. Mercy and Justice.

If He removed or changed or substituted the law so we no longer need to obey it then the standard of righteousness has been changed.

What do you consider His perfect standard of righteousness?

 

[TMS]

No one 'gets' blood. Sin is denying the blood of Christ as the New Covenant.

Jesus is the end of the law. We do not believe we can now sin. If someone says that, they are lying because it has been said multiple of multiple times in this thread and others, that no one believes that. As a believer, if we have actually become a believer because some just do lip service, we now desire to please God and as such, we DO NOT WISH TO COMMIT SIN.

Stop your false posts in which you state we are sinning. TMS even said that if we do observe the 'Sabbath', then we are sinning and breaking the law.

Here is what the actual Bible has to say about that:


6Therefore, just as you have received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to walk in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him, established in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. 10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

11In Him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christb and not by human hands. 12And having been buried with Him in baptism, you were raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind. 19He has lost connection to the head, from whom the whole body, supported and knit together by its joints and ligaments, grows as God causes it to grow. Ephesians 2


Are you judging those who do not go to a church or fellowship on Saturday? Then you had better stop because Paul says those people delight in FALSE humility.

We are in Christ and no amount of false judgement or accusation can change that. No amount of cursing someone can have effect. There is but one truth here and it is not believing the commandments are now the covenant.

The covenant, in the very words of Jesus Himself as I have posted a couple of times now, is through His blood. Deny this, and you are denying Jesus.

I have not denied that salvation is by Christ alone.

Judgement.....

The devil is the accuser of the brethren.
Rev 12:9-10 KJV 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

If we stand before a judge and the judge is fair and unbiased, we need have no chance of salvation when we defend ourself. All our good will not save us..

The devil only needs to point out one sin and we are guilty of eternal death.

The devil wants to take as many with him so he is good at accusing us as guilty.

But Jesus stands up and offers His blood for those that have repented and shown fruit of repentance. Not everyone that claims the name of Jesus will be saved by His blood.

Mat 7:20-23
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If your understanding of iniquity is wrong..... you could be one that works iniquity.

 

[TMS]

So there's not a single doubt in my mind that the 10 Commandments are relevant today because it's not about rules but about who we are to be loving.

Amen
I totally agree..

 

[biblestudent78]

I have not denied that salvation is by Christ alone.

Judgement.....

The devil is the accuser of the brethren.
Rev 12:9-10 KJV 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

If we stand before a judge and the judge is fair and unbiased, we need have no chance of salvation when we defend ourself. All our good will not save us..

The devil only needs to point out one sin and we are guilty of eternal death.

The devil wants to take as many with him so he is good at accusing us as guilty.

But Jesus stands up and offers His blood for those that have repented and shown fruit of repentance. Not everyone that claims the name of Jesus will be saved by His blood.

Mat 7:20-23
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If your understanding of iniquity is wrong..... you could be one that works iniquity.

According to many Christian theologians, creeds and dogmas, you do not have to commit a single sin to be guilty hell. When you were conceived, you are consigned to hell. No conscious sin required.

 

[biblestudent78]

Disobedience to God's Commandants is what put all humanity in this mess, it started with Eve then Adam.

Jesus never taught that obedience stopped. He said the opposite. Jesus said that loving Him is shown by keeping His commandments. In John 14:15 He said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” This is not a suggestion, and it is not old. It is the heart of the new life He gives. John repeats the same truth in 1 John 2:3 saying, “Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.”

Jesus also warned us that hearing His words but not doing them leads to ruin. He explained this in the picture of the wise and foolish builders in Matthew 7. The wise man hears His words and does them. The foolish man hears the same words but does not do them, and his fall is great.

Jesus also explained that obedience is still the way to life. In Matthew 19:16–17 He said, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” When people try to separate faith and obedience, Jesus does not agree. He ties life and obedience together.

He also said that many will call Him “Lord” and think they belong to Him because they have faith, but they will be rejected because they refuse to do the Father’s will. In Matthew 7:21 He says, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father.”

Obedience is not something small. Jesus says it is the difference between true and false disciples. Obedience does not save us without Him, but without obedience we show that we do not belong to Him. In John 8:51 He said, “If anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.”

The person you speak with says obedience is “so Old Testament,” but Jesus shows that obedience is the center of the new covenant. The early disciples agreed. They taught that we are lying to ourselves if we say we know God but do not keep His commandments. Jesus says His sheep hear His voice and follow Him. Following is obedience.

So the idea that faith allows us to ignore God’s commandments is completely against what Jesus Himself taught. Faith without obedience is not the faith Jesus gave. Real faith listens to Him, trusts Him, and walks in His words.

While can say we believe in obedience, but what do have to demonstrate that obedience? In real life terms what does obedience to God include?

 

[vassal]

The commandments had not yet been given. Sin is sin. Apparently God did not think to render Adam and Eve guiltless though. He said they would surely die for disobedience to His one simple 'rule' and they did. Both spiritually and later on, physically.

How much worse will it be for those who declare the commandments to be the covenant when Jesus Himself declares just before His crucifixion, that His blood is the covenant.

27Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in My Father’s kingdom.” Matthew 26

You seem to like to quote Jesus when He is speaking about the law given before His crucifixion, but you never and have never, acknowledged what he says to His disciples just before His death. Why is that?

what about this commandment? in genesis God asked adam end eve not to eat the fruit of the tree... this is what i was refering to...lol

look no need for us to continue since you do not Believe jesus when he said "if you Love me keep my commandments" so this is my last answer to you. I have wasted too much time with you already. and Yes the covenant ols and New are the ten commandments, if you read your bible you would know all this.

 

[biblestudent78]

My question remains. What are Jesus's commandments?

 

[vassal]

While can say we believe in obedience, but what do have to demonstrate that obedience? In real life terms what does obedience to God include?

Obedience to God begins with doing what Jesus said.
Jesus said: “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” (John 14:15)
So in real life, obedience means:

• Hearing His words
• Doing what He teaches
• Turning from sin
• Loving God and loving others
• Keeping the commandments God gave, just as Jesus kept them​

Jesus said the one who enters the kingdom is the one who “does the will of My Father.” (Matthew 7:21)
So obedience is not complicated. It is listening to Jesus and living the way He tells us to live, He gave us the example to follow.

 

[TMS]

What do you consider His perfect standard of righteousness?

Jesus.

The word of God... Jesus was the word made flesh.
All scripture is our guild and Jesus is the living teacher.


2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Phi 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

By the gift of the Holy Spirit the truth is made known to those that seek it.

Joh 8:31-32 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

To sum it up.... Jesus is the perfect standard.
The Holy scriptures reveal the truth and Jesus is our living teacher.

The bible defines sin and the laws and by studying this your understanding of truth grows..

 

[TMS]

My question remains. What are Jesus's commandments?

Jesus gave the Ten Commandments..

He is one with the Father.