The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[TMS]

The problem, however, is that the Sabbath they advocate is generic, meaning the day can refer to Saturday or Sunday, depending on personal preferences. In their public statements and in Charlie’s book, they openly discuss “adjusting” the Sabbath and even alternating between rest days. This is not accidental because it makes the concept of a national Sabbath acceptable to a wider audience, regardless of denomination lines or doctrinal beliefs.

I agree

The concepts and points he makes in the book are great but THE sabbath (7th day) becomes generic, either day, (Any day).

It raises the question, and promotes sabbath rest but Sunday will be the day that most people will choose.

 

[vassal]

Repeat after me.... Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Not being under the law does not mean the law is removed... by God's grace the law does not hold us guilty, because our sin is transferred to Christ...

Because our sin is taken from us by Christ, we are not under the condemnation or guilt of transgressing the law.

By grace we are not under the law.... but we are told to not use this as an excuse to sin.

You can continue to accumulate sins but I love my Lord and hate what my sin has cost Him.

2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

and I will add verses from Paul that people conviniently "forget"

Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

1 Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully.

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

 

[TMS]

Being under "grace" frees us from the law" ????

The word "grace" is also defined as "kindness", Grace and or Kindness does NOT remove our penalty of death - FACT.

Oh .... Lord give me grace.
By grace we are saved, through faith.
Grace that gives us pardon... . Being under the kindness of God, God gifts us pardon from sin. The blood of Jesus.

A definition...Grace = "(in Christian belief) the free and unmerited favour of God, as manifested in the salvation of sinners and the bestowal of blessings."

The free and unmerited favour of God.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

 

[memberofthebride]

I agree

The concepts and points he makes in the book are great but THE sabbath (7th day) becomes generic, either day, (Any day).

It raises the question, and promotes sabbath rest but Sunday will be the day that most people will choose.

My comment:

Did Christ say we can choose, its our option? Which day was set aside as Holy at Creation? Which Day is Jesus Christ LORD of?

Jesus Christ made it very clear in His battle with Satan,, Mankind must live by EVERY WORD of GOD, not the few he likes, not some, but every single WORD and men from that day forward have refused.

and who was it that changed the day?

Roman Catholic Confessions

James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of our Fathers, 88th ed., pp. 89.

"But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify."

Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism 3rd ed., p. 174.

"Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

"Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."

John Laux, A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies (1 936), vol. 1, P. 51.

"Some theologians have held that God likewise directly determined the Sunday as the day of worship in the New Law that He Himself has explicitly substituted the Sunday for the Sabbath. But this theory is now entirely abandoned. It is now commonly held that God simply gave His Church the power to set aside whatever day or days she would deem suitable as Holy Days.

The Church chose Sunday, the first day of the week, and in the course of time added other days as holy days."

 

[TMS]

I was reminded of a good illustration today..
The bible is often misunderstood.

This is why we need to read the whole Bible or read as many verses about a subject as you can..

Compare scripture

See what the verses are saying

If 9 of the 10 verses line up and 1 seems to not make sense or controdict the others.. you do not reinterpret 9 to make them fit the one verse that doesn't fit.

If you study and search for the truth the odd verse will line up.. the same Auther wrote the whole Bible.

God does not contradict himself.

 

[vassal]

I agree

The concepts and points he makes in the book are great but THE sabbath (7th day) becomes generic, either day, (Any day).

It raises the question, and promotes sabbath rest but Sunday will be the day that most people will choose.

Are we allowed to choose any day we want? as you know well, God choose the seventh day of the week, reading scripture at one point I found what I already knew and it confirmed to me that following the sabbath day as in the commandments is also A TEST for us, God wants to know whp is faithful to his words. the proog of this can be found in exodus 16;

The primary passage describing God testing the Israelites in the wilderness regarding obedience to the Sabbath command is found in Exodus 16 (NKJV). This occurs through the provision of manna, where God explicitly structures the gathering to test their obedience to resting on the seventh day.

Exodus 16:4–5 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you. And the people shall go out and gather a certain quota every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in My law or not. And it shall be on the sixth day that they shall prepare what they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.”

Exodus 16:22–23 And so it was, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’”

Exodus 16:25–30 Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.” Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day.

People forget the meaning of this verse and forgo the Blessings that God promised to those who follow the sabbath command, he shall provide

The primary passage describing God testing the Israelites in the wilderness regarding obedience to the Sabbath command is found in Exodus 16 (NKJV). This occurs through the provision of manna* where God explicitly structures the gathering to test their obedience to resting on the seventh day.


God provides manna daily as bread from heaven, but intentionally withholds it on the seventh day and gives a double portion on the sixth. This setup serves as a deliberate test of obedience: Will the Israelites trust God's provision and rest as commanded, or will they disregard the instruction by going out to gather on the Sabbath? Some fail the test by attempting to gather anyway (finding nothing), prompting God's rebuke emphasizing the Sabbath as His gift and command. This is the first explicit introduction of the Sabbath observance to the Israelites post-Exodus, before the Ten Commandments at Sinai.

Moses later recalls this wilderness experience in **Deuteronomy 8:2–3, 16** (NKJV), linking the manna (and its rules, including the Sabbath pattern) to God's broader testing of their hearts for obedience:

Deuteronomy 8:2–3
And you shall remember that the Lord your God led you all the way these forty years in the wilderness, to humble you and test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His commandments or not. So He humbled you, allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna which you did not know nor did your fathers know, that He might make you know that man shall not live by bread alone; but man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord.

Note: here Jesus called Himself the Bread of Life....Everything Points to Christ.

Deuteronomy 8:16
who fed you in the wilderness with manna, which your fathers did not know, that He might humble you and that He might test you, to do you good in the end.

These verses confirm the manna provision (including its Sabbath-related instructions) was designed to test obedience to God's commandments in the desert. No other biblical passage describes a separate, direct "test" of the Sabbath in the wilderness apart from this manna account. The test wasn't about capability (God made it easy), but willingness to trust and submit.

 

[TMS]

God's people have been tested with obedience, the devil is trying to cause us to fail in any way.

In Dan 3:6 ... And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.

They were faithful to the 2nd commandment and got thrown in the fiery furnace.

And Daniel would not worship another god or stop worshiping his God..Dan 6:7 ....establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions.

He would not break the 1st commandment.

Today the 4th commandment will be a test of obedience.

Will we obey God or man. Will we keep the day God sanctified or the day that man tells us to.?

Will we be faithful like those in the past that were willing to die rather then transgress God's laws?

When a law comes that askes you to keep Sunday, don't say I didn't warn you.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Are we allowed to choose any day we want? as you know well, God choose the seventh day of the week, reading scripture at one point I found what I already knew and it confirmed to me that following the sabbath day as in the commandments is also A TEST for us, God wants to know whp is faithful to his words. the proog of this can be found in exodus 16;

The primary passage describing God testing the Israelites in the wilderness regarding obedience to the Sabbath command is found in Exodus 16 (NKJV). This occurs through the provision of manna, where God explicitly structures the gathering to test their obedience to resting on the seventh day.

Exodus 16:4–5 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you. And the people shall go out and gather a certain quota every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in My law or not. And it shall be on the sixth day that they shall prepare what they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.”

Exodus 16:22–23 And so it was, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’”

Exodus 16:25–30 Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.” Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day.

People forget the meaning of this verse and forgo the Blessings that God promised to those who follow the sabbath command, he shall provide

The primary passage describing God testing the Israelites in the wilderness regarding obedience to the Sabbath command is found in Exodus 16 (NKJV). This occurs through the provision of manna* where God explicitly structures the gathering to test their obedience to resting on the seventh day.


God provides manna daily as bread from heaven, but intentionally withholds it on the seventh day and gives a double portion on the sixth. This setup serves as a deliberate test of obedience: Will the Israelites trust God's provision and rest as commanded, or will they disregard the instruction by going out to gather on the Sabbath? Some fail the test by attempting to gather anyway (finding nothing), prompting God's rebuke emphasizing the Sabbath as His gift and command. This is the first explicit introduction of the Sabbath observance to the Israelites post-Exodus, before the Ten Commandments at Sinai.

Moses later recalls this wilderness experience in **Deuteronomy 8:2–3, 16** (NKJV), linking the manna (and its rules, including the Sabbath pattern) to God's broader testing of their hearts for obedience:

Deuteronomy 8:2–3
And you shall remember that the Lord your God led you all the way these forty years in the wilderness, to humble you and test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His commandments or not. So He humbled you, allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna which you did not know nor did your fathers know, that He might make you know that man shall not live by bread alone; but man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord.

Note: here Jesus called Himself the Bread of Life....Everything Points to Christ.

Deuteronomy 8:16
who fed you in the wilderness with manna, which your fathers did not know, that He might humble you and that He might test you, to do you good in the end.

These verses confirm the manna provision (including its Sabbath-related instructions) was designed to test obedience to God's commandments in the desert. No other biblical passage describes a separate, direct "test" of the Sabbath in the wilderness apart from this manna account. The test wasn't about capability (God made it easy), but willingness to trust and submit.

Yes, honoring the Lord's day of rest, the sabbath is in the ten commandments. How do you obey the Lord on this since you don't go to church? (This not a gotcha. Just wondering how you do this, as you have honored the other nine commandments.)

 

[memberofthebride]

Oh .... Lord give me grace.
By grace we are saved, through faith.
Grace that gives us pardon... . Being under the kindness of God, God gifts us pardon from sin. The blood of Jesus.

A definition...Grace = "(in Christian belief) the free and unmerited favour of God, as manifested in the salvation of sinners and the bestowal of blessings."

The free and unmerited favour of God.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

My comment:
do you understand the word "pardon", it means "the setting aside of the Law" God's law can never be set aside, if it were possible then Christ did not need to die for our sins.

Grace does not mean, all one needs to do is show up! Just raise your hand.

 

[GWH]

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i will answer the first question the rest to follow note that all i wrote is based on scripture.

The New Covenant Is Not What Many Have Been Taught

The old covenant was the covenant God made with Israel at Sinai, and Scripture says plainly that this covenant was the Ten Commandments. Deuteronomy 4:12–13 says, “The Lord spoke to you out of the midst of the fire… So He declared to you His covenant, which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.” The same truth is repeated in Exodus 34:28: “He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.” These commandments were spoken directly by God and written by His own finger. Deuteronomy 5:22says, “These words the Lord spoke… with a loud voice; and He added no more. Then He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.” This was the covenant Israel entered into, and this covenant stood as the foundation of their relationship with God.

The prophets later spoke of a new covenant, not because the commandments were changed or removed, but because Israel did not keep the covenant they had entered. Jeremiah 31:31–32 says, “‘Behold, the days are coming,’ says the Lord, ‘when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers… My covenant which they broke.’” The new covenant would be different in how it works, not different in the righteousness it requires. God does not say He will erase His law. Instead He says what the new covenant contains. Jeremiah 31:33 says, “But this is the covenant that I will make… I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.” The change is not the removal of the commandments. The change is the location of the commandments. Instead of being written only on stone, they would be written inside the heart of the believer.

Jesus confirmed this with His own words and actions. Jesus taught that the commandments remain God’s will. In Matthew 5:17 He said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets.” In Matthew 19:17 He told the seeker, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” Jesus also showed what love for Him means. John 14:15 says, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” Jesus is not replacing the Father’s commandments. He is confirming them. In John 15:10 He says, “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.” The new covenant does not remove obedience. It brings a new kind of obedience through the Spirit.

Jesus also fulfilled what the prophets wrote about the Spirit being given to those who believe. John 7:38–39 says, “He who believes in Me… out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit.” And after His resurrection, Jesus said in John 20:22, “Receive the Holy Spirit.” The Spirit does not replace the commandments; the Spirit writes them into the heart, just as Jeremiah said.

The new covenant also includes forgiveness in a deeper and final way. In Jeremiah 31:34 the Lord says, “I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” Jesus confirmed this at the Last Supper. Matthew 26:28 says, “For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” The new covenant brings cleansing, pardon, and a renewed heart so that the believer can walk in God’s ways with joy and strength.

The Scriptures also teach that the kingdom of God grows in this age, even while not all receive it. Jesus said in Matthew 13:31–32 that the kingdom is “like a mustard seed… which indeed is the least of all the seeds; but when it is grown it is greater than the herbs.” And in Matthew 13:33 He said the kingdom is like leaven that spreads through the whole lump. The growth of the kingdom continues until He returns. Yet only those who believe receive the Spirit now. John 1:12 says, “As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God.” And those who receive Him walk in His words because His law is written in their hearts, as the prophet declared.

This is the distinction the Scriptures give. The old covenant was the Ten Commandments written on stone and heard at Sinai. The new covenant is the same Ten Commandments written on the heart by the Holy Spirit, joined with the forgiveness and life that come through the blood of Jesus. Jesus confirmed the commandments by His teachings, kept them perfectly in His life, and through the Spirit He gives, He enables His people to keep them from the heart. The kingdom grows as the word spreads, but only the true believers receive the Spirit now and have God’s commandments written within them until the day He returns.

Re: {{The prophets later spoke of a new covenant, not because the commandments were changed or removed, but because Israel did not keep the covenant they had entered. Jeremiah 31:31–32 says, “‘Behold, the days are coming,’ says the Lord, ‘when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers… My covenant which they broke.’” The new covenant would be different in how it works, not different in the righteousness it requires. God does not say He will erase His law. Instead He says what the new covenant contains. Jeremiah 31:33 says, “But this is the covenant that I will make… I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.” The change is not the removal of the commandments. The change is the location of the commandments. Instead of being written only on stone, they would be written inside the heart of the believer.}}

Yes, the OC is not erased but rather superseded because it fulfilled its purpose when Jesus was crucified (Rom. 3:20). Beware of being a Judaizer, who perverts the Gospel by reverting to salvation via works/obeying OT laws (Gal. 1:9). The Sabbath Law (4th of the 10 on the tablets) requiring execution of breakers including Jesus' disciples was NOT part of the moral commandments re-commanded in the NT but rather it was part of the OC laws that temporarily separated the Jews from the Gentiles until fulfilled by Jesus, who replaced them with His Holy Spirit through whom believers manifest God's love for everyone.

"The former regulation [Levitical law] is set aside... and Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant." (Heb. 7:11, 18a & 22b).
“A new commandment I give you: Love one another as I have loved you.” (John 13:34a)
"God has poured out His love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit he has given us." (Rom. 5:5)
"He who loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law/commandments." (Rom. 13:8b)

 

[vassal]

Yes, honoring the Lord's day of rest, the sabbath is in the ten commandments. How do you obey the Lord on this since you don't go to church? (This not a gotcha. Just wondering how you do this, as you have honored the other nine commandments.)

it is very simple, I follow what Isaiah wrote on how to follow it. Pharisees made it a heavy burden these added laws can be found in the talmud today that I totally reject as an example if I remember correctly " You cannot carry anything that it heavier than a fig.. that is not the way!

isaiah described how to follow the sabbath properly;

Isaiah 58:13–14 (NKJV)

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the LORD honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
Then you shall delight yourself in the LORD;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the LORD has spoken.”

of course we have also to keep in mind the original Commandment;

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.”

I let go doing any chores or work on that day and prepare in advance. I meditate on the words of God and Jesus and read scripture, like this afternoon I plan to read the book of Samuel many valuable lessons in there, or later post here on this forum if there are legit questions like yours. also if there is an emergency I cannot postpone I take care of it, nothing wrong with that if it is to help out.

For many Working on the sabbath can be a challenge but surely it can be arranged. I never had to but for many it can become a problem.

Also I thank you for your support it brightens my day to know I am not alone, on this Forum I do feel alone at times but Christ promised he is always with us and I know it is true.

Blessings to you and have a good simple, non burdensome loving and happy Sabbath. At the end God looks at the heart.

 

[vassal]

I forgot, to also many do honour the Sabbath day Saturday but also go to church on Sunday, Nothing wrong with this.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

it is very simple, I follow what Isaiah wrote on how to follow it. Pharisees made it a heavy burden these added laws can be found in the talmud today that I totally reject as an example if I remember correctly " You cannot carry anything that it heavier than a fig.. that is not the way!

isaiah described how to follow the sabbath properly;

Isaiah 58:13–14 (NKJV)

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the LORD honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
Then you shall delight yourself in the LORD;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the LORD has spoken.”

of course we have also to keep in mind the original Commandment;

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.”

I let go doing any chores or work on that day and prepare in advance. I meditate on the words of God and Jesus and read scripture, like this afternoon I plan to read the book of Samuel many valuable lessons in there, or later post here on this forum if there are legit questions like yours. also if there is an emergency I cannot postpone I take care of it, nothing wrong with that if it is to help out.

For many Working on the sabbath can be a challenge but surely it can be arranged. I never had to but for many it can become a problem.

Also I thank you for your support it brightens my day to know I am not alone, on this Forum I do feel alone at times but Christ promised he is always with us and I know it is true.

Blessings to you and have a good simple, non burdensome loving and happy Sabbath. At the end God looks at the heart.

I have to say that all the people who are against you are not really reading your posts carefully.

 

[vassal]

the posts i write, they are a bit long, i need to shorten a bit but then information is missing it is hard but I will try to condense futther, perhaps it would better. If they did read carefully they would see all I write is from scripture I try to always provide the accompanying scripture in the proper context but many do not read their bible and what I write to them sounds foreign somehow...

THanl you for your comments.

 

[pinebeach]

I have to say that all the people who are against you are not really reading your posts carefully.

I was actually surprised to see you agreeing with what he posts.

Do you agree that you go to hell if you do not observe the Sabbath?

Do you agree that Jesus only started salvation and we complete it by obeying the 10 commandments?

Do you agree that we can now perfectly keep the commandments?

If you do, then I would sadly have to tell you that you also do not understand the salvation God provided for us.

 

[pinebeach]

Matthew 19:17
So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
John 14:15
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
John 14:21
“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

In Jesus’ own words, loving Him, entering life, and belonging to Him are all connected to keeping His commandments, not just believing in Him with words.

3 Clear verses said by Christ himself for you to Accept or Deny, what will it be? Show me you follow the words of Christ like you wrote in another post?

You misrepresent what is in scripture. Don't give me this love story because I have seen your website and it is anything but loving.

Anyone who does know scripture and has studied it, sees what you are doing. I don't have to show you anything but I have many times and so have others. Maybe if you actually believed ALL of the Bible instead of the parts you play off of, you would not keep asking for 'proof'.

You are not controlling the narrative here. The word of God is, and you are doing a very poor job of representing what is actually written.

 

[pinebeach]

Crack on steroids haha I wasn’t aware it existed . I’ve seen alot of beliefs here in a public forum many people. Will have many ideas and thoughts . I Can’t take it personal or get upset often it helps hone my studies and learn more . Often here is miscommunication issues like in the sixties with the phone lines lol

Yeah well the miscommunication here, is with the Bible. It is really enlighting to read that he tries to say that Jesus only began salvation, but the commandments finish it and that is the covenant. The 10 commandments are the covenant.

Not Jesus, oh no, apparently he could not finish the job Himself and when He said 'IT IS FINISHED' it was not true.

People really need to brush up on their Bible knowledge if they think the mashup of old and new testaments presented is what is actually in the Bible. Saying that Jesus is not the way to salvation is pretty close to blasphemy if not already so.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I was actually surprised to see you agreeing with what he posts.

Do you agree that you go to hell if you do not observe the Sabbath?

Do you agree that Jesus only started salvation and we complete it by obeying the 10 commandments?

Do you agree that we can now perfectly keep the commandments?

If you do, then I would sadly have to tell you that you also do not understand the salvation God provided for us.

He didn't talk about any of that in that way. Just that when you get saved, God writes His commandments in our hearts and gives us the Holy Spirit to enable and cause us to obey them. That's why they aren't a burden. The Holy Spirit makes it easy to obey God.

That's one of the reasons why Jesus died for us. He not only became our righteousness, He made it possible for us to live as He does through His Holy Spirit. We're not meant to keeping living in sin with no change in us, but living in the Holy Spirit to become progressively Christlike and obedient unto Christ. He can't just be our Savior, He also must be our Lord.

 

[pinebeach]

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We have this type of doctrine so we don’t need ten rocks anymore

“if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

and be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth ( thou shalt not lie sais the rock engraved upon sinai ) with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: neither give place to the devil.

Let him that stole steal no more: ( thou shalt not steal said the rock ) but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:21-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The rock just says “ don’t do this it is
sin” and then later it was said “ anyone who dies this shall die “

“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free

from the law of sin and death.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, ( sin ) it shall die.”( death )
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭

That applies to those in Christ. Paul had no kind words for those who misrepresented the truth. I am not Paul of course, no one here is, but some of us are dedicated to the truth and we are not finding it here.

 

[pinebeach]

He didn't talk about any of that in that way. Just that when you get saved, God writes His commandments in our hearts and gives us the Holy Spirit to enable and cause us to obey them. That's why they aren't a burden. The Holy Spirit makes it easy to obey God.

That's one of the reasons why Jesus died for us. He not only became our righteousness, He made it possible for us to live as He does through His Holy Spirit. We're not meant to keeping living in sin with no change in us, but living in the Holy Spirit to become progressively Christlike and obedient unto Christ. He can't just be our Savior, He also must be our Lord.

You've really missed what he is actually saying.