The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[vassal]

Jesus fulfilled the law that is why His free gift of righteousness matters.

Staring at the law does not promote love.

Staring at the law only shows you in point form what the real problem is.

A complete lack of love for others.

We are all self-possessed.

Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets because Jesus was the epitome of love,
that perfect agape love.

Love itself is the eternal commandment and is God's nature to the core.

Love cannot harm anyone, cannot steal, cannot lie, cannot boast, cannot take sides.

If you love others you are way beyond the realm of Hagar.

Inquisitor, I explain a bit further the new covenant and what Jesus meant when he said he fulfilled the law, people use this word to abolish the ten commandments but this is wrong.

From the beginning, God taught His people that life is in the blood, and that blood is required to cover sin.
God said:

“For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.”
Leviticus 17:11 (NKJV)​

This means sin brings death, and blood was required so the sinner would not die.
The Covenant Was Always Sealed With Blood
When God made the covenant with Israel, it was not sealed with words alone.
Moses took the blood and said:

“This is the blood of the covenant which the LORD has made with you according to all these words.”
Exodus 24:8 (NKJV)​

The covenant had Ten Commandments, and it was confirmed or sealed by blood.
Later, God commanded that once a year, on the Day of Atonement, blood had to be brought before the Ark of the Covenant.

The Ark of the Covenant contained:
– the ten Commandments written By God Himself on 2 tables of stone, also called the Covenant by God.

God said:

“He shall take some of the blood of the bull and sprinkle it with his finger on the mercy seat.”
Leviticus 16:14 (NKJV)​

The blood was sprinkled over the Ark, not to erase the commandments, but to cover the people’s sin who broke these Commandments.
The law remained.The blood provided mercy. This happened every year, because animal blood could never fully remove sin.

The Prophets Promised a New Covenant
God later promised that a new covenant would come.
He said:

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.
Jer 31:32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt— a covenant they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD.
Jer 31:33 “But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My law in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.
Jer 31:34 No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.”​

This did not mean God changed His holiness.
It meant He would provide a better solution for sin.

Jesus Brings the Fulfillment
When Jesus came, He did not deny the Law. He explained His purpose clearly. Jesus said:

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.”
Matthew 5:17 (NKJV)​

To fulfill does not mean cancel. It means to complete what it pointed to.

Everything about the sacrifices, the altar, the mercy seat Covering the Ark of the Covenant, and the blood sprinkling on tha Ark was pointing forward, at the Last Supper, Jesus explained this openly.
Jesus said:

“This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
Matthew 26:28 (NKJV)​

And again:

“This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.”
Luke 22:20 (NKJV)​

Jesus is saying:
– The covenant still requires blood
– The blood is now My own
– The sacrifice is now complete

Just as blood was once sprinkled before the Ark once a year, Jesus offered His blood once, fully and truly.
What Exactly Did Jesus Fulfill?

Jesus fulfilled:
– the sacrificial system
– the blood requirement
– the role of the high priest
– the yearly atonement

He did not say God’s Commandments will was erased. In Fact He was teaching it and Magnified the Commandments he then sent the Disciples to preach all he did and said to all the world.
Jesus Himself affirmed obedience when He said:

“If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
John 14:15 (NKJV)​

And:

“Blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it.”
Luke 11:28 (NKJV)​

The commandments were never the problem. Sin was.
The sacrifices were never the solution. They were a shadow pointing forward.
Jesus became what the sacrifices pointed to.The Heart Was Always the Goal
Even in the Old Testament, God said the real issue was the heart.

“Circumcise the foreskin of your heart.”
Deuteronomy 10:16 (NKJV)​

Jesus taught the same truth:

“Those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man.”
Matthew 15:18 (NKJV)​

The New Covenant does not remove obedience. It makes forgiveness possible when obedience fails.
The Simple Truth
The New Covenant means:
– the blood changed
– the sacrifice changed
– the mediator changed
But:
– God’s holiness did not change as God does NOT change.
– sin is still sin
– obedience still matters
Jesus fulfilled the Law by finishing what the sacrifices could never finish.
That is why He said on the cross:

“It is finished.”
John 19:30 (NKJV)​

Not God’s commandments.
Not righteousness.
But the work of sacrifice.
The ultimate proof of his Love for us, he Gave His life for us so we could enter into Life.

 

[vassal]

“the new covenant is according to scripture people become silent not many know, do you?”

yeah it’s the word of Christ the one mediator between God and man. Not the words of Moses . He was the mediator for Israel’s tribes in the old covenant . The new covenant is what was always promised the messiah and his words of life and light

Jesus words , Jesus blood shed for remission that’s the new covenant

you described how he started the new Testament not the contents. please see post 721

 

[vassal]

The way you read Romans 13:8-10 is not correct.

Read the verses below again.

Romans 13:8-10
Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for the one who loves his neighbor has fulfilled
the Law. For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall
not covet, and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, You shall love your
neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.

Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore you don't need to fulfill the law.

All the law does is tell you that you do not love your neighbor but we already know that.

What is the royal law?

What is the law of Christ?

John 15:12
This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you.

1 John 2:10
The one who loves his brother and sister remains in the Light, and there is nothing in him to cause stumbling.

1 John 3:11
For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we are to love one another;

The law tells you in, no uncertain terms, that you do not love others!!!!

replacement theology this is incorrect

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes
Totally agree..

And Jesus highlighted the 10 commandments, lived them and taught them.

Mat 5:16-21
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 5:27-28
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

The contract of the new covenant is that we have the law written on our hearts.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

hes talking to israel who were all circumcised and bound to the Old Testament …..before he had made the new one and shed the blood of remission …..to remove sin

“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: ( that’s a commandment of the Old Testament Jesus isn’t teaching it he’s reminding them of what they had heard from the law )


28 But I say unto you, ( Jesus is teaching this new thing that the law never spoke of ) That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”

What Jesus taught is better than the old.

jesus says “ I didn’t come to destroy the law and prophets but I came to fulfill them.

you seem to not want to accept that the new covenant is not according to the old covenant . Made with israel at Sinai .

But that’s the truth . there’s no way to re institute Ten Commandments given to sinful rebels without the holy spirit and then impose that upon new born children of God . The children need the gospel which actually was promised before the law

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Jesus words are the new covenant exactly as Moses words in the law were the old covenant.

This is the word of the old covenant

This is the old covenant the words n moses book of the law .

“And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.

( a covenant was just agreed to its every word Moses wrote in the law )

And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, ( animal blood not Jesus blood of the new covenant ) which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.”( all the words Moses wrote in the law received from Sinai not Jesus Jesus words in the gospel later which is the new covenant )
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭24:4, 6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus also preached his words to the people and told them toni ey his commands and also shed his blood according to the new covenant . I’m not sure why some Christian’s try to drag the ministry of condemnation into the ministry of life but many do try to breath life into the rocks

“But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:7‬ ‭

The rocks can’t help Christian’s and they aren’t a part to our covenant never have been , we have the living lord himself with us like we are in the cloud ourselves .

“Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is the everlasting covenant that gives life

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

…Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the covenant consists of the word of the mediator . Moses was the ot mediator Jesus is the one and only in the new . To be clear to onoe what to new covenant is be needs to hear and believe the gospel Jesus the lord preached and promised life within …..

“Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:28-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law isn’t easy and light burden it’s condemned everyone who ever lived under it but the gospel is based on hearing and believing Jesus which is faith

 

[pinebeach]

yeah it’s the word of Christ the one mediator between God and man. Not the words of Moses . He was the mediator for Israel’s tribes in the old covenant . The new covenant is what was always promised the messiah and his words of life and light

Jesus words , Jesus blood shed for remission that’s the new covenant

Facts. We still have a mediator. His name is Jesus.

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, I Tim. 2:5

 

[Pilgrimshope]

replacement theology this is incorrect

“Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,

and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You should read Israel’s story in the ot and then the parable that leads into the kingdom being taken from them and given to a different people ….. after many years of Israel’s rebellion and defilement of their covenant with God

“I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day. Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.

…But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not. And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:2-3, 5-7, 11-12, 15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s why Jerusalem was destroyed and the temple left desolate it was written on thier law the whole time that law people try to go back to is a curse now because they broke it

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law ( exodus Deuteronomy numbers and Leviticus ) to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

everything is new a new covenant word new covenant blood a new Passover a new people born again and recreated by the lord as his children promise of a new earth and heavens as an inheritance ect everything is new in the new covenant but it’s hard to see when we try to drag the old into the new they are two seperwte covenants

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, ( the law) although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

anyone who’s ever actually carefully read the law inderrrsnds it would be a great blessing if they obeyed and kept it but it would surely be a devastating curse leaving them destroyed and desolate if they broke it and worshipped other gods

That’s what they did throughout the ot they worshipped all the gods of the surrounding nations built idols and temples and altars for them defiling everything they could have been blessed by . But that requires a person to read the law of Moses and really look at what was said and agreed to

 

[pinebeach]

Almost all of the great denominations have officially placed themselves on record as supporting the authority of the 10 commandments. Yet very subtle errors of interpretation have crept into the modern church, leading to the present state of confused loyalty toward the Ten Commandments.

What does this mean exactly? Any biblical denom will support the 10 commandments. Only, if they are followers of Jesus, they will note that the 10 commandments were the OLD covenant between the Jews and God and play no part in the New Covenant.

It is imperative that people understand that the OT laws and sacrifices were never meant to continue after Jesus life, death and resurrection.

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Galatians 3

If you continue putting yourself under the law, the Bible says you are cursing yourself. The law draws attention to sin, but it did not invent sin (obviously) as anyone familiar with the Bible prior to the law being given.

We can all read what is so plainly written and yet some continue to believe that the 10 commandments are in addition to believing in Jesus, faith, and the two are not compatible.

A choice must be made.

We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. Romans 6:4

Choose new life through Christ or be cursed under the law.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Facts. We still have a mediator. His name is Jesus.

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, I Tim. 2:5

Yeah exactly . Moses was the ot mediator between god and Israel Jesus is the one and only mediator now between God and mankind . Moses mediated the old covenant Jesus mediates the new . That’s my whole point the old is this word

“And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭24:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The new is this word promised for later when Jesus came forth

“Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The old had already been made at Sinai and renewed a few times throughout the old covenant books it was exclusively made between God and the tribes of Israel and also any who converted to the law tbrough corcumcision. Moses was the one and only mediator between god and the tribes of isreal and the ordination also was different it was ordained by angels and Moses mediated it all .

Its so important to understand the mediators words are the covenant Moses is the old Jesus is the new and everlasting

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What does this mean exactly? Any biblical denom will support the 10 commandments. Only, if they are followers of Jesus, they will note that the 10 commandments were the OLD covenant between the Jews and God and play no part in the New Covenant.

It is imperative that people understand that the OT laws and sacrifices were never meant to continue after Jesus life, death and resurrection.

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Galatians 3

If you continue putting yourself under the law, the Bible says you are cursing yourself. The law draws attention to sin, but it did not invent sin (obviously) as anyone familiar with the Bible prior to the law being given.

We can all read what is so plainly written and yet some continue to believe that the 10 commandments are in addition to believing in Jesus, faith, and the two are not compatible.

A choice must be made.

We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. Romans 6:4

Choose new life through Christ or be cursed under the law.

well said

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law never says anything to a dead person nve they sin and are condemned to die that’s it it has no other word for them it ends at death

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[pinebeach]

replacement theology this is incorrect

The New Covenant has replaced the Old Covenant. There is no justification under the law and there never was. The law was a shadow of a better covenant.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Gal. 3:24

Now do I think that God is done with Israel? No I do not and the Bible says He is not. BUT He is done with the law as a means of justification.

 

[vassal]

But you do pick and choose the commandments you want to keep and do not obey all the commandments that Jesus kept and taught. You picked the Ten commandments out of the law of Moses and then you post scriptures to show Jesus was obeying the 10 commandments and the Sabbath, just like you are. But Jesus didn’t just pick the 10 commandments out of law of Moses, and discard everything else including the least of the commandments. Neither did He teach His disciples and the Jews that gathered to hear Him, to just pick the 10 commandments out of the law of Moses and discard “the least of these commandments”. He said to the Pharisees who obeyed the “least of these commandments”, that they tithed “mint and anise and cummin”, which they “ought to have done”, but they neglected “the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith’. And “the law”, at that time, was the law of Moses, Matthew 23:23

So I say again, are you obeying the whole law of Moses as Jesus did? No! You’re picking out the 10 commandments and discarding all the rest. And then you’re trying to merge the 10 commandments into the New Covenant (agreement/contract) to make the argument that the Sabbath is in the New Covenant therefore it must be observed. This is all ad hoc nonsense from that dead American woman with zero scriptural evidence that God merged a portion of the old covenant with the New Covenant.

you are very confused indeed. I never spoke or taught the law of Moses only the moral law, the ten commandments also called the covenant. your lack of biblical knowledge is the root cause of your confusion on important topics. please do read scripture and see what it has to offer, and stop these childish accusations you have no Proof of what you speak of and you do not know me.

“Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,

and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You should read Israel’s story in the ot and then the parable that leads into the kingdom being taken from them and given to a different people ….. after many years of Israel’s rebellion and defilement of their covenant with God

“I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day. Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.

…But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not. And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:2-3, 5-7, 11-12, 15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s why Jerusalem was destroyed and the temple left desolate it was written on thier law the whole time that law people try to go back to is a curse now because they broke it

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law ( exodus Deuteronomy numbers and Leviticus ) to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

everything is new a new covenant word new covenant blood a new Passover a new people born again and recreated by the lord as his children promise of a new earth and heavens as an inheritance ect everything is new in the new covenant but it’s hard to see when we try to drag the old into the new they are two seperwte covenants

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, ( the law) although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

anyone who’s ever actually carefully read the law inderrrsnds it would be a great blessing if they obeyed and kept it but it would surely be a devastating curse leaving them destroyed and desolate if they broke it and worshipped other gods

That’s what they did throughout the ot they worshipped all the gods of the surrounding nations built idols and temples and altars for them defiling everything they could have been blessed by . But that requires a person to read the law of Moses and really look at what was said and agreed to

do not forget acts and the Jerusalem council, and I speak about gentiles here today not jews, the most important part of the law is the Covenant, the ten commandments this is what Jesus was teaching do you deny this? I have so start somewhere with the basics, I start with the most important the ten commandments, I am aware that in ta future time it is spoken by the prophets that some types of sacrifices will resume but is is not the time yet;

in the Old Testament some prophets do speak of sacrifices in the future Kingdom, even after the Messiah comes. Here are a few key passages and how they differ from Jesus’ atoning sacrifice:
Isaiah 56:6–7
"Also the sons of the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him, and to love the name of the Lord…these I will bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer; their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on My altar…"
Isaiah envisions a future where foreigners (Gentiles) also bring sacrifices to God in His Temple.
These sacrifices are part of worship and fellowship, not for the forgiveness of sins. They are symbolic acts of devotion, whereas Jesus’ sacrifice was once-for-all and cleanses humanity from sin (Hebrews 10:10, clarifies the difference).
Ezekiel 43:18–27
"Then He said to me: 'Son of man, thus says the Lord God: These are the ordinances for the altar on the day when they make it…you shall offer all your burnt offerings, your grain offerings, your sin offerings…'"
Ezekiel describes detailed future temple sacrifices in a restored Israel.
These offerings are ritual and local to the Temple worship, repeatedly performed. Jesus’ sacrifice was eternal and spiritual, not limited to a temple or repeated annually. His blood “cleanses from all sin” once (1 John 1:7–9), not merely ritually covering sin.
Zechariah 14:20–21
"In that day there shall be upon the bells of the horses, 'Holy to the Lord.'…Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holy to the Lord of hosts…And in that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts."
Zechariah speaks of a future kingdom where temple and ritual items are fully devoted to God, implying ongoing sacred practices.
Again, these are physical rituals, not a one-time spiritual atonement. Jesus’ sacrifice made it possible for all people to be holy before God without continual Temple offerings.

these sacrifices cannot be performed today there is NO temple at this time, when times comes and soon, Jesus will return, the lost tribes, israelites from all the world will be called back, millions of them will be brought back to the Land Given to them. the prophets to talk about this also in detail but that is for another time.

 

[vassal]

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How would you define the new covenant?

How would you define "the law of Christ"?

How would you define "the royal law"?

i will answer the first question the rest to follow note that all i wrote is based on scripture.

The New Covenant Is Not What Many Have Been Taught

The old covenant was the covenant God made with Israel at Sinai, and Scripture says plainly that this covenant was the Ten Commandments. Deuteronomy 4:12–13 says, “The Lord spoke to you out of the midst of the fire… So He declared to you His covenant, which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.” The same truth is repeated in Exodus 34:28: “He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.” These commandments were spoken directly by God and written by His own finger. Deuteronomy 5:22says, “These words the Lord spoke… with a loud voice; and He added no more. Then He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.” This was the covenant Israel entered into, and this covenant stood as the foundation of their relationship with God.

The prophets later spoke of a new covenant, not because the commandments were changed or removed, but because Israel did not keep the covenant they had entered. Jeremiah 31:31–32 says, “‘Behold, the days are coming,’ says the Lord, ‘when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers… My covenant which they broke.’” The new covenant would be different in how it works, not different in the righteousness it requires. God does not say He will erase His law. Instead He says what the new covenant contains. Jeremiah 31:33 says, “But this is the covenant that I will make… I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.” The change is not the removal of the commandments. The change is the location of the commandments. Instead of being written only on stone, they would be written inside the heart of the believer.

Jesus confirmed this with His own words and actions. Jesus taught that the commandments remain God’s will. In Matthew 5:17 He said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets.” In Matthew 19:17 He told the seeker, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” Jesus also showed what love for Him means. John 14:15 says, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” Jesus is not replacing the Father’s commandments. He is confirming them. In John 15:10 He says, “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.” The new covenant does not remove obedience. It brings a new kind of obedience through the Spirit.

Jesus also fulfilled what the prophets wrote about the Spirit being given to those who believe. John 7:38–39 says, “He who believes in Me… out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit.” And after His resurrection, Jesus said in John 20:22, “Receive the Holy Spirit.” The Spirit does not replace the commandments; the Spirit writes them into the heart, just as Jeremiah said.

The new covenant also includes forgiveness in a deeper and final way. In Jeremiah 31:34 the Lord says, “I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” Jesus confirmed this at the Last Supper. Matthew 26:28 says, “For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” The new covenant brings cleansing, pardon, and a renewed heart so that the believer can walk in God’s ways with joy and strength.

The Scriptures also teach that the kingdom of God grows in this age, even while not all receive it. Jesus said in Matthew 13:31–32 that the kingdom is “like a mustard seed… which indeed is the least of all the seeds; but when it is grown it is greater than the herbs.” And in Matthew 13:33 He said the kingdom is like leaven that spreads through the whole lump. The growth of the kingdom continues until He returns. Yet only those who believe receive the Spirit now. John 1:12 says, “As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God.” And those who receive Him walk in His words because His law is written in their hearts, as the prophet declared.

This is the distinction the Scriptures give. The old covenant was the Ten Commandments written on stone and heard at Sinai. The new covenant is the same Ten Commandments written on the heart by the Holy Spirit, joined with the forgiveness and life that come through the blood of Jesus. Jesus confirmed the commandments by His teachings, kept them perfectly in His life, and through the Spirit He gives, He enables His people to keep them from the heart. The kingdom grows as the word spreads, but only the true believers receive the Spirit now and have God’s commandments written within them until the day He returns.

 

[Inquisitor]

you are very confused indeed. I never spoke or taught the law of Moses only the moral law, the ten commandments also called the covenant. your lack of biblical knowledge is the root cause of your confusion on important topics. please do read scripture and see what it has to offer, and stop these childish accusations you have no Proof of what you speak of and you do not know me.

do not forget acts and the Jerusalem council, and I speak about gentiles here today not jews, the most important part of the law is the Covenant, the ten commandments this is what Jesus was teaching do you deny this? I have so start somewhere with the basics, I start with the most important the ten commandments, I am aware that in ta future time it is spoken by the prophets that some types of sacrifices will resume but is is not the time yet;

in the Old Testament some prophets do speak of sacrifices in the future Kingdom, even after the Messiah comes. Here are a few key passages and how they differ from Jesus’ atoning sacrifice:
Isaiah 56:6–7
"Also the sons of the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him, and to love the name of the Lord…these I will bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer; their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on My altar…"
Isaiah envisions a future where foreigners (Gentiles) also bring sacrifices to God in His Temple.
These sacrifices are part of worship and fellowship, not for the forgiveness of sins. They are symbolic acts of devotion, whereas Jesus’ sacrifice was once-for-all and cleanses humanity from sin (Hebrews 10:10, clarifies the difference).
Ezekiel 43:18–27
"Then He said to me: 'Son of man, thus says the Lord God: These are the ordinances for the altar on the day when they make it…you shall offer all your burnt offerings, your grain offerings, your sin offerings…'"
Ezekiel describes detailed future temple sacrifices in a restored Israel.
These offerings are ritual and local to the Temple worship, repeatedly performed. Jesus’ sacrifice was eternal and spiritual, not limited to a temple or repeated annually. His blood “cleanses from all sin” once (1 John 1:7–9), not merely ritually covering sin.
Zechariah 14:20–21
"In that day there shall be upon the bells of the horses, 'Holy to the Lord.'…Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holy to the Lord of hosts…And in that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts."
Zechariah speaks of a future kingdom where temple and ritual items are fully devoted to God, implying ongoing sacred practices.
Again, these are physical rituals, not a one-time spiritual atonement. Jesus’ sacrifice made it possible for all people to be holy before God without continual Temple offerings.

these sacrifices cannot be performed today there is NO temple at this time, when times comes and soon, Jesus will return, the lost tribes, israelites from all the world will be called back, millions of them will be brought back to the Land Given to them. the prophets to talk about this also in detail but that is for another time.

Exodus 20 tells us sacrifices and offerings can be performed on a pile of dirt.

Abraham sacrificed way before Moses or even the mention of a temple.

You never needed a temple for offerings and sacrifices.

 

[pinebeach]

The New Covenant Is Not What Many Have Been Taught

You can stop right there. Am I going to trust in the Bible, God's inspired word, thousands of years of people studying the Bible, todays Holy Spirit inspired teachers, eye witness accounts of Jesus resurrection, my own life experience, the reality of God and many answered prayers and the witness of the Holy Spirit,

...............................................................................................................or


am I going to trust in someone I do not know who wants to misuse scripture to say the covenant we have with God is the


................................................................................................................ta dah


............................................................................................................... 10 commandments.

Yeah I wonder how that's going to go?








You are a false teacher. Yeah. You are.

 

[pinebeach]

The prophets later spoke of a new covenant, not because the commandments were changed or removed, but because Israel did not keep the covenant they had entered.

BS

Bad scholarship

 

[pinebeach]

The New Covenant is not a re-written list of commandments. Vassal says the New Covenant is the Old Covenant because God just really wants us all to practice until we get it right. But the OC is passed away and the NC faith in the One who passed through death and was resurrected alive and perfect in God's eyes.

We cannot do that. You have to ask yourself why someone says they are not a Christian, refuses to say what their actual belief is and argues for 37 pages with Christians, all the while trying to destroy belief in the actual covenant through Christ's blood and tells people they do not belong to God if they believe in the covenant outlined in scripture that does not add the commandments to salvation through Christ.


It is imperative that people understand that the OT laws and sacrifices were never meant to continue after Jesus life, death and resurrection.

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Galatians 3

If you continue putting yourself under the law, the Bible says you are cursing yourself. The law draws attention to sin, but it did not invent sin (obviously) as anyone familiar with the Bible prior to the law being given.

We can all read what is so plainly written and yet some continue to believe that the 10 commandments are in addition to believing in Jesus, faith, and the two are not compatible.

A choice must be made.

We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. Romans 6:4

Choose new life through Christ or be cursed under the law.[/QUOTE]

 

[pinebeach]

Inquisitor, I explain a bit further the new covenant and what Jesus meant when he said he fulfilled the law, people use this word to abolish the ten commandments but this is wrong.

This is not true and not long ago you said you never accused anyone of saying we believe the law is abolished YET here you are, again, repeating that falsehood.

Are there two of you?

Jesus fullfilled the law meaning He never sinned against the law. He is righteous before God and we are also righteous before God if we are in Him.

 

[soulprobe]

you are very confused indeed. I never spoke or taught the law of Moses only the moral law, the ten commandments also called the covenant. your lack of biblical knowledge is the root cause of your confusion on important topics. please do read scripture and see what it has to offer, and stop these childish accusations you have no Proof of what you speak of and you do not know me.

Of course I know you… you’re the one who follows a dead American woman. You’re the one who says you never spoke or taught about the law of Moses because you think the ten commandments are not part of the law of Moses even though they were delivered during the time of Moses, and not before and not after the time of Moses. You’re the one who thinks that you know more about the ten commandments than Moses, the children of Israel, the Jews, Jesus Christ, and the apostles, who never separated the ten commandments from the law of Moses. And no one ever made up some sort of separate title calling the ten commandments “the moral law” with the assumption that the law of Moses was separate and less “moral” than the ten commandments. This is all stuff made up by that dead American woman you follow. You can’t find any scriptural evidence that any Israelite, Jew, Jesus or apostle taught that the ten commandments were a separate covenant that should be treated separately from the law of Moses. So I do know you. You’re the one who should start reading the scripture and stop regurgitating stuff made up by a dead American woman.

do not forget acts and the Jerusalem council, and I speak about gentiles here today not jews, the most important part of the law is the Covenant, the ten commandments this is what Jesus was teaching do you deny this?

I just gave you tons of evidence that Jesus taught the whole law of Moses, from the ten commandments right down to the tithing of mint, anise and cummin. Do you even read what I write? The ten commandments are not isolated from the old covenant. And even if we pretend to isolate them from the old covenant to serve the interests of the SDAs and call them a separate covenant, it was still a covenant between God and the children of Israel that came during the time of Moses, not the New Covenant between God and the Children of God which differences have been explained in detail.

in the Old Testament some prophets do speak of sacrifices in the future Kingdom, even after the Messiah comes. Isaiah 56:6–7

"Also the sons of the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him, and

In all the above, you are referring to the time after Christ returns to rule the earth and Satan is bound. You don’t seem to understand anything about contracts and agreements… that God makes different covenants/contracts/agreements according to the times, conditions, and parties. You keep taking that “ten commandment covenant” that you ripped out of the law of Moses, and in your founder’s ad hoc fashion, apply it to all times, conditions and parties from Adam to the New Jerusalem.

The OT scriptures you are referring to is at a time after Christ returns. It’s a different time (after Christ returns), it’s under different conditions (Satan is locked up and Christ is forcefully ruling the nations with a rod of iron) and with a different party, the remnant of the House of Judah and the House of Israel and there will also be Gentiles spared at Christ’s coming as well.

So at that time Jeremiah 31: 31-34 speaks of a new covenant/contract with a new party, (the remnant of the House of Judah and the House of Israel), under different conditions, (Satan locked up and Christ ruling the world), and during different times, (after Christ returns). This new covenant is not the same New Covenant that was made between God and the Children of God, where Christ Himself was the sacrifice offered. There will be animal sacrifices, burnt offerings... and because Christ rules, all the Sabbaths, feasts, new moons, holy days can be easily observed because the new conditions enable it.

But at that time after Christ returns, where are the Children of God, what are they doing…. the Children of God who were under the New Covenant/contract made in the Blood of Christ before He returned, who were striving to overcome sin in this world… in a world that was filled with evil and ruled by Satan? They will be Spirit beings who were resurrected and changed just when Christ returns, (1 Thessalonians 4: 15-17, 1 Corinthians 15: 51-53) and will be ruling with Christ.

This shows that the New Covenant in Christ’s blood, between God and the Children of God (Christ’s Brethren) will be fulfilled (come to an end) at His coming, and the beginning of new times and conditions.

You’re convinced that the sacrifices and offerings at that time after Christ returns are not going to be for the forgiveness of sin but just for fellowship because Christ’s sacrifice was “once for all”. No! Again, you’re applying that American woman’s ad hoc covenant all over the place. Christ’s sacrifice was the New Covenant in His Blood that was only for a certain time (during this evil world) under certain conditions (a world ruled by Satan) and with a certain party (the Children of God, His Brethren from all nations) that were to overcome sin in this world ruled by Satan; it is the most special and of the highest calling, and there won’t be many, and that’s good that there won’t be many.

And yes, as you mentioned in the above scriptures there will be Gentiles too, which means they were spared at the second coming. It does show in Jeremiah 31: 8-9, special attention will be given to the remnants of the House of Israel and the House of Judah who will be party to a new covenant. Jeremiah 31: 31-34.

Now when Christ returns with His resurrected and changed Brethren who will meet Him in the air at the last trump, (1 Thessalonians 4: 15-17, 1 Corinthians 15: 51-53) not everyone will perish:

“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.”

Christ will appear in physical form dressed in royal attire appearing as a young man in His early 20s sitting on a magnificent throne.

“All the nations will be gathered before Him...”

All the nations, Gentiles

“...and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

The angels, all looking as young men in their early 20s, will be doing the separating.

And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, I was hungry and you gave Me food; ...thirsty and you gave Me drink; ...a stranger and you took Me in; ...naked and you clothed Me; ...sick and you visited Me; ...in prison and you came to Me.’

Notice, He didn’t say, “Come, you who are blessed by My Father, for you observed the 7th day Sabbath”. There’s no mention of any Sabbath.

“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’”

Now do these sound like people who were knowledgeable about the scriptures and 7th day Sabbath observances? Any who spent even a casual amount of time reading scripture or going to a church is going to remember Christ mentioning this in the bible, especially after such a dramatic event as the 2nd coming.

“And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

And who are “the least of these My brethren” He’s gesturing to when He’s talking to the sheep? These are those, His Brethren, who were just resurrected and changed at His coming, who met Him in the air and returned with Him and the army of angels to the earth. His Brethren will all be there beside the King, in physical forum, looking in their early 20s, all dressed in royal attire.

As for the goats, it seems they prophesied in His name, cast out demons in His name, and done many wonders in His name, (Matthew 7:22). I don’t think observing the Sabbath in His name would have helped.

 

[Inquisitor]

Of course I know you… you’re the one who follows a dead American woman. You’re the one who says you never spoke or taught about the law of Moses because you think the ten commandments are not part of the law of Moses even though they were delivered during the time of Moses, and not before and not after the time of Moses. You’re the one who thinks that you know more about the ten commandments than Moses, the children of Israel, the Jews, Jesus Christ, and the apostles, who never separated the ten commandments from the law of Moses. And no one ever made up some sort of separate title calling the ten commandments “the moral law” with the assumption that the law of Moses was separate and less “moral” than the ten commandments. This is all stuff made up by that dead American woman you follow. You can’t find any scriptural evidence that any Israelite, Jew, Jesus or apostle taught that the ten commandments were a separate covenant that should be treated separately from the law of Moses. So I do know you. You’re the one who should start reading the scripture and stop regurgitating stuff made up by a dead American woman.



I just gave you tons of evidence that Jesus taught the whole law of Moses, from the ten commandments right down to the tithing of mint, anise and cummin. Do you even read what I write? The ten commandments are not isolated from the old covenant. And even if we pretend to isolate them from the old covenant to serve the interests of the SDAs and call them a separate covenant, it was still a covenant between God and the children of Israel that came during the time of Moses, not the New Covenant between God and the Children of God which differences have been explained in detail.



In all the above, you are referring to the time after Christ returns to rule the earth and Satan is bound. You don’t seem to understand anything about contracts and agreements… that God makes different covenants/contracts/agreements according to the times, conditions, and parties. You keep taking that “ten commandment covenant” that you ripped out of the law of Moses, and in your founder’s ad hoc fashion, apply it to all times, conditions and parties from Adam to the New Jerusalem.

The OT scriptures you are referring to is at a time after Christ returns. It’s a different time (after Christ returns), it’s under different conditions (Satan is locked up and Christ is forcefully ruling the nations with a rod of iron) and with a different party, the remnant of the House of Judah and the House of Israel and there will also be Gentiles spared at Christ’s coming as well.

So at that time Jeremiah 31: 31-34 speaks of a new covenant/contract with a new party, (the remnant of the House of Judah and the House of Israel), under different conditions, (Satan locked up and Christ ruling the world), and during different times, (after Christ returns). This new covenant is not the same New Covenant that was made between God and the Children of God, where Christ Himself was the sacrifice offered. There will be animal sacrifices, burnt offerings... and because Christ rules, all the Sabbaths, feasts, new moons, holy days can be easily observed because the new conditions enable it.

But at that time after Christ returns, where are the Children of God, what are they doing…. the Children of God who were under the New Covenant/contract made in the Blood of Christ before He returned, who were striving to overcome sin in this world… in a world that was filled with evil and ruled by Satan? They will be Spirit beings who were resurrected and changed just when Christ returns, (1 Thessalonians 4: 15-17, 1 Corinthians 15: 51-53) and will be ruling with Christ.

This shows that the New Covenant in Christ’s blood, between God and the Children of God (Christ’s Brethren) will be fulfilled (come to an end) at His coming, and the beginning of new times and conditions.

You’re convinced that the sacrifices and offerings at that time after Christ returns are not going to be for the forgiveness of sin but just for fellowship because Christ’s sacrifice was “once for all”. No! Again, you’re applying that American woman’s ad hoc covenant all over the place. Christ’s sacrifice was the New Covenant in His Blood that was only for a certain time (during this evil world) under certain conditions (a world ruled by Satan) and with a certain party (the Children of God, His Brethren from all nations) that were to overcome sin in this world ruled by Satan; it is the most special and of the highest calling, and there won’t be many, and that’s good that there won’t be many.

And yes, as you mentioned in the above scriptures there will be Gentiles too, which means they were spared at the second coming. It does show in Jeremiah 31: 8-9, special attention will be given to the remnants of the House of Israel and the House of Judah who will be party to a new covenant. Jeremiah 31: 31-34.

Now when Christ returns with His resurrected and changed Brethren who will meet Him in the air at the last trump, (1 Thessalonians 4: 15-17, 1 Corinthians 15: 51-53) not everyone will perish:

“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.”

Christ will appear in physical form dressed in royal attire appearing as a young man in His early 20s sitting on a magnificent throne.

“All the nations will be gathered before Him...”

All the nations, Gentiles

“...and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

The angels, all looking as young men in their early 20s, will be doing the separating.

And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, I was hungry and you gave Me food; ...thirsty and you gave Me drink; ...a stranger and you took Me in; ...naked and you clothed Me; ...sick and you visited Me; ...in prison and you came to Me.’

Notice, He didn’t say, “Come, you who are blessed by My Father, for you observed the 7th day Sabbath”. There’s no mention of any Sabbath.

“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’”

Now do these sound like people who were knowledgeable about the scriptures and 7th day Sabbath observances? Any who spent even a casual amount of time reading scripture or going to a church is going to remember Christ mentioning this in the bible, especially after such a dramatic event as the 2nd coming.

“And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

And who are “the least of these My brethren” He’s gesturing to when He’s talking to the sheep? These are those, His Brethren, who were just resurrected and changed at His coming, who met Him in the air and returned with Him and the army of angels to the earth. His Brethren will all be there beside the King, in physical forum, looking in their early 20s, all dressed in royal attire.

As for the goats, it seems they prophesied in His name, cast out demons in His name, and done many wonders in His name, (Matthew 7:22). I don’t think observing the Sabbath in His name would have helped.

You mentioned the following statement.

And no one ever made up some sort of separate title calling the ten commandments “the moral law”
with the assumption that the law of Moses was separate and less “moral” than the ten commandments.
This is all stuff made up by that dead American woman you follow.

Ellen White was a member of the Methodists who taught the ten words are moral laws, eternal law.
So did the Catholics, Reformers, Protestants (Methodists), and Orthodox.

The vast majority of the Christian world was taught that the ten commandments are binding.
Origen (c. 184–253 AD) and Jerome (c. 347–420 AD) were among the first to more explicitly distinguish
between the Mosaic moral laws and the ceremonial laws, though Martin Luther later criticized aspects
of their differentiation. Even though Martin Luther went with the traditional flow.

What they thought was that the ten words were natural laws innate in the human conscious.

Further, since these ten words were in Adam and the angels then the ten words must be eternal.

Can you see how the law crept back into the traditional church.

So today almost every Christian on earth essentially believes that the ten commandments.
Are binding which means they are the law of the church.

This simple, seemingly logical mistake may have doomed modern Christianity.

If physical circumcision (Galatians 5) would cause the Galatian church to fall from grace.

Then what does imposing the law itself on the church precipitate?

Not something that I want to contemplate but I cannot see a way out of this.