The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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You got it wrong... it's about appreciating it, honoring it... we don't do that by defecating all over it by continuing on as are usual decrepit self after receiving it.
The apostasy came in the papacy and was revealed by the Reformers.
The pope exalts himself as God.
Jesus will not come until the apostasy comes first.
2Th 2:1-3 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
The papacy fits every identifying mark.
You can appreciate the Lord's righteousness.
That is the righteousness that we receive and boast about.
We are predestined to be fully transformed into that image of Jesus.
A complete overhaul of our thoughts and attitudes to other people.
We learn to appreciate others, more and more, we learn to put them first.
We take second place in the scheme of things and we never boast about ourselves.
Having bad thoughts about others is a transgression of the law against murder.
We rejoice when other Christians grow and mature in Jesus Christ.
The Holy Spirit is the power source for the whole Christian life.
I don't think the pope claims to be a God.
Nor do I think the pope denies Jesus Christ.
The man of lawlessness will be an alternate God fueled by the devil.
No one worships the pope and that would be blasphemy if they did.
The man of lawlessness his hidden and will only be exposed when Jesus returns.
“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:24-26
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
We have this type of doctrine so we don’t need ten rocks anymore
“if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
and be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth ( thou shalt not lie sais the rock engraved upon sinai ) with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: neither give place to the devil.
Let him that stole steal no more: ( thou shalt not steal said the rock ) but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.”
Ephesians 4:21-32 KJV
The rock just says “ don’t do this it is
sin” and then later it was said “ anyone who dies this shall die “
“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free
from the law of sin and death.”
Romans 8:2 KJV
“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, ( sin ) it shall die.”( death )
Ezekiel 18:4
You tell me do you live this ? Or know someone who does ?
“And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; and shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off. And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.”
Exodus 20:1-19 KJV
Theres a really neat thing about Hebrews read the above there then read this
“For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, and the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: (for they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: and so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
”Hebrews 12:18-21 KJV
we shouldn’t be looking at the wrong covenant law there’s a reason Jesus was teaching Israelites to keep thier law ….it was because it was thier law of thier covenant that was about to be fuflilled as a curse and desolation because they would later reject and kill their messiah.
The new covenant isn’t according to those commandments they were given and agreed to , we have a whole new covenant word and mediation that covers adultery ,killing ,lying ,stealing ,honoring parents , idolatry , our covenant acrually reveals God to us as we come to him and hear the gospel.
Ten thou shalt nots doesn’t accomplish anything but the New Testament doctrine will take former sinners and change tbier heart’s and actions and lives . Telling sinners without the Holy Ghost “ don’t sin or you must die “ doesn’t help or save anyone
“thou shalt not lie “ said the rock…….in the old
“Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.”
Ephesians 4:25 KJV
“Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.”
Colossians 3:9-17 KJV
No one’s saying that Christian’s are allowed to tell lies , we’re saying there’s a New Testament word and the old is not nearly as good as the new it’s able to change a sinner who lies and cheats and steals already and teach them to speak the truth and deal honestly and straight forward with others and to stop stealing if you are and work so you can share with others
Ten rocks given to israel saying don’t commit this sin , or this sin , or this sin ect is irrelevant tbe new covers everything we need we could not even know the Ten Commandments existed and learn from Jesus and the apostles and we would be living a pleasing life before God not lying , not harming others or killing , not commiting adultery , not worshipping unknown false gods or idols , ect tbats the point the old rocks and Moses was just a weak and carnal pattern for the new.
Crack on steroids haha I wasn’t aware it existed . I’ve seen alot of beliefs here in a public forum many people. Will have many ideas and thoughts . I Can’t take it personal or get upset often it helps hone my studies and learn more . Often here is miscommunication issues like in the sixties with the phone lines lol
What do you think of the new top selling book by Charlie Kirk? Stop in the name of God...
It promotes a sabbath...
Charlie promoted the 7th day rest.
It promotes a sabbath...
Charlie promoted the 7th day rest.
No I'm saying... I love Jesus.
And faith does not make the law void.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
So Gentiles could steal and lie and murder and covet, and have any other gods and they were not sinning?
They were not guilty of the sins that the 10 commandments point out?
Which law will be written on the heart?
You side stepped my question again..
Which law is Jeremiah quoting, which Paul quotes?
Circumcision was not one of the 10.
It was given to Abraham ...
Gen 17:9-10
9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. 10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
That was many years before the 10 commandments were written on stone.
Circumcision was a sign of being the seed of Abraham, a Jew.
And Paul was arguing about this issue. That physical Circumcision was not needed.
Paul did not say the 4th commandment was not needed.
When we are under Grace we are seen by God as guiltless and righteous because of the justifying blood of Jesus. When we are seen as sinless the law has no condemnation.
But do we continue to sin by grace?
Do we make void the law by faith?
No and no.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Do we walk after the flesh and allow our lusts to commit adultery? When we walk in the Spirit the flesh is dead. No condemnation because the Spirit is obeying the law in us.
We are plainly told that circumcision is of the heart. God does not require it today from anyone. But nowhere are we told that the 4th commandment is made void or replaced.. God plainly stated that it was sanctified and made holy at creation and no where in the bible states that it has been changed.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
God sees the heart..
God wants to write the laws on our heart.
If the Judge states that you will have grace today if you transgress any laws,
Does that mean the laws are removed?
If Jesus provides forgiveness for sin (tansgresing the law), does that mean the laws are removed?
Paul makes it clear...
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:12-16
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
The law is still there because sin is still present.
Being under grace frees us from the law but Paul clearly states that we do not use this as an excuse to transgress the law.
His servants ye are to whom ye obey..
Obey what Jesus wants to write on Your hear. The laws.
Matthew 19:17
So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
John 14:15
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
John 14:21
“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
In Jesus’ own words, loving Him, entering life, and belonging to Him are all connected to keeping His commandments, not just believing in Him with words.
3 Clear verses said by Christ himself for you to Accept or Deny, what will it be? Show me you follow the words of Christ like you wrote in another post?
Repeat after me.... Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Not being under the law does not mean the law is removed... by God's grace the law does not hold us guilty, because our sin is transferred to Christ...
Because our sin is taken from us by Christ, we are not under the condemnation or guilt of transgressing the law.
By grace we are not under the law.... but we are told to not use this as an excuse to sin.
You can continue to accumulate sins but I love my Lord and hate what my sin has cost Him.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Seventh Day Adventists had something to say about Charlies Kirk's beliefs on the sabbath.
Charlie Kirk’s Final Message to America: “If I have to work on Saturday, I take Sunday as my Sabbath”
The entire Charlie Kirk phenomenon—his media presence, his influence in conservative circles, his Turning Point USA empire, and now the release of his final book—is being used to promote what is being called his “final message to America.” That message is simple and direct: if America is going to survive, we must return to a weekly Sabbath rest. Erica Kirk reinforces this agenda by testifying that the Sabbath “saved” her husband’s life and insists that it could also save the nation.
The problem, however, is that the Sabbath they advocate is generic, meaning the day can refer to Saturday or Sunday, depending on personal preferences. In their public statements and in Charlie’s book, they openly discuss “adjusting” the Sabbath and even alternating between rest days. This is not accidental because it makes the concept of a national Sabbath acceptable to a wider audience, regardless of denomination lines or doctrinal beliefs.
But this is precisely where the danger lies. Once the Sabbath is detached from God’s commandment and turned into an adjustable practice, it becomes much easier to introduce a counterfeit day of worship in place of the true. And in the context of America’s religious and political climate—where Christian nationalism is rapidly advancing Sunday as a unifying day of rest—the publicity surrounding Charlie Kirk’s book will certainly be used to elevate the counterfeit Sabbath: Sunday, the very institution that Scripture warns would become the papal mark of apostasy.
The Kirks are helping to create the political momentum needed to reintroduce a “Sabbath” to American life—but one that is not rooted in God’s law. Instead, it paves the way for the nation to embrace the long-foretold Sunday institution, fulfilling prophecy and setting the stage for the final crisis.
Charlie Kirk’s Final Message to America: “If I have to work on Saturday, I take Sunday as my Sabbath” | Advent Messenger
My comment:
"Being under "grace" frees us from the law" ????
The word "grace" is also defined as "kindness", Grace and or Kindness does NOT remove our penalty of death - FACT.
The only way for our sentence of death can be paid in full is by the Death of Jesus Christ.
The "Grace/kindness" of our Father: -- while we were full on sinners,, unrepentant sinners! The Father sent His only Son to die for murderers, liars, the most evil of humans-- that is the kindness of our Father.
Our penalty, not the Law, are we freed from