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Blue155
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Always follow the Lord’s teachings on this. You’ll never go wrong when you do.
Can a Christian re-marry?
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What you are espousing is not biblical in either the Old or New Testament.
Sorry...
But I, and most other serious students of scripture, do not believe what YOU are preaching. There's too much evidence in scripture and in the historical records which directly contradict to buy this new teaching that you are promoting.
Not supposition, not hopeful wishings....but clear and direct evidence in scripture and in historical records that completely dismiss what you are claiming Jesus said and intended.
Let's look at the Woman accused of Adultery in John 8.
You gonna throw rocks at her?
WHY?
So if not then why is it acceptable to do it today? (And you most definitely are).
Cough it up....make it make sense. Use scripture, history, anthropology, and sociology for your reasoning from FULLY VETTED and acceptable sources. No biased sources from denominational websites. This is academia....meaning footnotes and peer review from true professionals that do not have a denominational funding to uphold.
I can do so quite easily...as I already have started. (Malachi and Matt 9)
Jesus's authority is NOT in question. Only your ability to discern what Jesus said is what is in question.
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Blue155
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If a Christian divorces their spouse due to their spouses fornication, yes.
Example A: Bob and Sally are married. Sally is a Christian. Bob cheats (commits fornication/adultery) on Sally. Sally then has the right to put away Bob for his infidelity per Matthew 19:9.
Example B: Bob and Sally are married. Sally is a Christian. Bob and Sally ends up divorcing and it’s not for the reason the Lord gave. Neither of them can remarry without committing adultery per Matthew 5:32
Example C: Bob and Sally divorced due to Bob’s fornication. Bob is guilty of fornication in the marriage. His options are to repent and reconcile with Sally (if Sally has not remarried). If Sally has remarried, then Bob cannot remarry without committing adultery.
Example D: Sally (the innocent) forgives Bob (the guilty, who shows repentance), and are able to stay married without getting a divorce. They might have separated due to the circumstances (Bob cheating), but they reconciled (1 Cor. 7:10-11), as Bob repented, Sally forgave and they were able to reconcile, as Sally had not yet remarried. Reconciliation between a husband and wife is absolutely beautiful.
For that reason, I would not recommend automatically divorcing right off the bat if someone has cheated. I would see if the guilty shows godly sorrow that leads to repentance (2 Cor. 7:10). If not, then you have the right as the innocent to be able to divorce and remarry without committing adultery.
Example A: Bob and Sally are married. Sally is a Christian. Bob cheats (commits fornication/adultery) on Sally. Sally then has the right to put away Bob for his infidelity per Matthew 19:9.
Example B: Bob and Sally are married. Sally is a Christian. Bob and Sally ends up divorcing and it’s not for the reason the Lord gave. Neither of them can remarry without committing adultery per Matthew 5:32
Example C: Bob and Sally divorced due to Bob’s fornication. Bob is guilty of fornication in the marriage. His options are to repent and reconcile with Sally (if Sally has not remarried). If Sally has remarried, then Bob cannot remarry without committing adultery.
Example D: Sally (the innocent) forgives Bob (the guilty, who shows repentance), and are able to stay married without getting a divorce. They might have separated due to the circumstances (Bob cheating), but they reconciled (1 Cor. 7:10-11), as Bob repented, Sally forgave and they were able to reconcile, as Sally had not yet remarried. Reconciliation between a husband and wife is absolutely beautiful.
For that reason, I would not recommend automatically divorcing right off the bat if someone has cheated. I would see if the guilty shows godly sorrow that leads to repentance (2 Cor. 7:10). If not, then you have the right as the innocent to be able to divorce and remarry without committing adultery.
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Blue155
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Any interpretation that goes against what the Lord gave is and always will be incorrect. It’s not that it’s difficult to understand, it’s because people bring their emotions in the text, and don’t want to submit to the King on it. Someone who has an issue with the plain words of Jesus on this is usually because they either find themselves in violation of it, they either have a family member that is, or they have someone who is close to them that is. Which again, is bringing their emotions in it. Instead of wanting to be faithful to Jesus, they’d rather find a way around Him to be able to accept a divorce or marriage that is in violation of the words of the Lord.
Jesus said what He said in Matthew 19:9. It’s plain and clear. Any view that teaches otherwise is incorrect. Any teaching that goes against the words of the Lord on this topic is incorrect. Any teaching that allows divorce for another reason than what the Lord gave is incorrect. Any teaching that gives another reason to be able to divorce and remarry than what the Lord gave is incorrect. If it’s a different reason than what the Lord gave, then it’s wrong, as He has all authority (Mt. 28), and His words will judge us on the last day (Jn. 12). The words of the Lord on this are crystal clear and plain, that there needs not being a different interpretation. Usually, those who have a different view are seeking a loophole.
You call it strict and legalistic. It’s actually called denying self, being faithful and loyal to the King.
So you have dodged EVERY question and have zero answers in favor of an extremely flat and surface level reading of scripture in defiance of literally EVERY type of hermeneutics Jesus taught.
But you claim to "follow" Jesus and respect his words....
How in the world does that corkscrew logic even work?
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Blue155
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I’m perfectly fine with being accused of being in the minority and not the majority, as truth is not determined by the majority. The majority didn’t believe Noah either (1 Peter 3:20). The serious student of the Bible won’t seek loopholes, seek justification from the OT to get around the words of the Lord on this topic (or any other topic). The serious student and follower of Jesus will submit to their King and take His word for what He says. Especially when it’s plain and easy to understand. It’s only difficult when we allow our emotions to try and get around them.
I'm not asking about the majority view.
Far from it.
I'm asking for you to defend your defiance of Jesus's hermeneutics He plainly taught so that you can come up with a answer that does not match Old or New Testament theologies.
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Blue155
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Your questions and speculations against me on this have already been answered per Jesus in Matthew 19:9, 5:32; Luke 16:18. Any question you give me on marriage and divorce, I’m always going to give you what Jesus said. Doing so is not a dodge. It’s discipleship.
Do you even know the hermeneutics Jesus taught? Which scriptures contain them?
Can you even name the 3 scriptures that explain how Jesus fulfilled the roles of Priest, Prophet and King for a total of 9 scripture passages?
I'm thinking you are just a troll that doesn't know scriptures whatsoever. You only seem to know two.
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Blue155
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Well, since you think I’m a troll, then stop interacting with me. Since you have stooped to the level of personal insults speaks volumes about your position on this, as simply echoing the words of the Lord is considered to be a troll? Wow. That’s a very dangerous place to be in, but the words of the Lord remind me to do the following with people like you
“Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces”
Also, Peter says “If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified”
I’m going to take their advice, which my dear friend @2ndTimeIsTheCharm would want me to do. As she also in wisdom reminds me to do the following: “Don't let them bog your message down because then it gets muddy so that other readers will lose track of your points. That's what they want.”
In my opinion and have heard from god, true Marriage, the mystery Paul talks of is
Married between God and you personally first. That be the greatest command of all commands, thanks. So much confusion
Who be the Author of confusion? Evil thank you
I made the decision to marry my third (and last) wife. Apparently, we beat the odds for 3rd marriages as we will be celebrating our 11th anniversary on Thanksgiving Day.
Side Note: I beat the odds for 2nd marriages also. That one lasted 11 years too.
First marriage (6 1/2) years was most definitely abysmal.
Jesus spoke in parables. No one, even his disciples knew what he was talking about.
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Blue155
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Matthew 19:9 was and is NOT a parable. His disciples did know what He was talking about, otherwise they would not have reacted to it the way they did in verse 10, and Jesus would not have said what He did in verses 11-13
He spoke in parables to the crowds. He explained to his disciples
He did, but even then, they did not really comprehend what he was saying. It was only after his death and resurrection did they more fully know what the words of Jesus meant.
As I've said before....
God doesn't really like multiple marriages because it means multiple broken hearts.
That's the crux of it all.
The damage done to us.
God loves your success and cheerleads those situations. His heart breaks with ours though when we have a broken heart. There's a caution given by Jesus in the mix of what all He says and intends about remarriage but never discount God's ability for providence that beats the odds.
Getting back....
But today people want fences instead of guides. Hard lines to prove righteousness when we really don't own any and never did.
But that's why this guy can't answer a single question about anything anywhere at any time. Because he wants everyone to believe he is righteous all by himself and really doesn't need forgiveness except for owning his human DNA.
The first axiom of preaching is:
Nobody will care what you know
If nobody knows how much you care about them.
But so far he has proved he doesn't know anything except for his own self-righteousness.
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Blue155
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It would be easy if anyone could divorce and remarry and it not be classified as adultery, but man is not my Lord. Jesus is. And I must follow the words of Him on this. There have been women who I have met online who I fell in love with, but due to their divorce, I could not be with him, so it’s no point in dating anyone I cannot be with. Knowing I could not be with them hurt, not because Jesus’ words are harsh or legalistic, but because their divorce was not according to the authority of the Lord, and me being with them would be being with another’s man’s wife. To accuse one of legalism is to bind things onto others where God has not, and quite often those who bind things onto others don’t follow what they have bound. Simply repeating the Lord and following Him on what He says isn’t legalism.