At what point in our salvation is the blood of Christ applied?

[Ouch]

The blood of Christ is applied at the moment a person genuinely places their faith in Him, trusting in His sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. Scripture teaches that salvation is a work of God’s grace, received through faith, and it is at that point of belief that Christ’s atoning blood cleanses us and makes us spiritually new.

So you say, we can say anthing we like and get people to follow.

I think you are saying, faith and trust in HIM and you are reborn?

Did you read that in HIS word? Or are you just following someone who said that?

Just to keep things in context we have Matthew, Mark, Luke and John JESUS walked with us.

Then to book of Acts, the building of the church which is the foudation of our salavation.

All books after that are mostly Pauls letters to churches he started.

Since I don't follow men only HIS word can you show me where this stuff comes from please.

"The blood of Christ is applied at the moment a person genuinely places their faith in Him, trusting in His sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins."

First notice, BLOOD AND WATER was mixed as it came out of HIS side.

John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

This is what you need to prove wrong about when and how we get rid of our sins.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Scripture teaches that salvation is a work of God’s grace, received through faith, and it is at that point of belief that Christ’s atoning blood cleanses us and makes us spiritually new.

According to JESUS we need more than faith and trust.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Can't ENTER without being born of WATER and of SPIRIT.

This is what happens when we are born of the spirit or when JESUS comes inside of us.

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

 

[BillG]

So now you see why people don't like me, I keep it real.

no it's because you are ignorant, condescending, you look down on people and believe you have been given the right to judge.
You attack and accuse yet you fall foul of your own weakness, unwilling to listen and seek the truth, yet when people respond to you you attack.

I share HIS word only, letting JESUS do the talking and call people who lie about HIS word a liar.

You say the above to others but do others say this to you? Do they call you a liar?
NO THEY DON'T.
You have no compassion.
You told me I am not saved, therefore going to hell. If that's the case I'll be walking with you.

Not nice is it?
You are an embarrassment to Christianity.
That's why people don't like you.

Don't bother responding as I don't listen to your crap, wolf in sheep's clothing.

 

[HeIsHere]

no it's because you are ignorant, condescending, you look down on people and believe you have been given the right to judge.
You attack and accuse yet you fall foul of your own weakness, unwilling to listen and seek the truth, yet when people respond to you you attack.


You say the above to others but do others say this to you? Do they call you a liar?
NO THEY DON'T.
You have no compassion.
You told me I am not saved, therefore going to hell. If that's the case I'll be walking with you.

Not nice is it?
You are an embarrassment to Christianity.
That's why people don't like you.

Don't bother responding as I don't listen to your crap, wolf in sheep's clothing.

So many here with this mindset (I am saving myself) these days, some more blatant others more subtle but all the same false doctrine in the end.

I know you are saved because you know the Gospel and can explain it well.

 

[BillG]

So many here with this mindset (I am saving myself) these days, some more blatant others more subtle but all the same false doctrine in the end.

I know you are saved because you know the Gospel and can explain it well.

I agree and thank you my sister in Christ.
You too sow roots.

 

[Ouch]

no it's because you are ignorant, condescending, you look down on people and believe you have been given the right to judge.
You attack and accuse yet you fall foul of your own weakness, unwilling to listen and seek the truth, yet when people respond to you you attack.


You say the above to others but do others say this to you? Do they call you a liar?
NO THEY DON'T.
You have no compassion.
You told me I am not saved, therefore going to hell. If that's the case I'll be walking with you.

Not nice is it?
You are an embarrassment to Christianity.
That's why people don't like you.

Don't bother responding as I don't listen to your crap, wolf in sheep's clothing.

So you speak and don't want no one to respond.

Are you saved?

Have you received the Holy Ghost since you have believed?

How were you baptized?

NOT MY RULES.

You don't like the messanger which is fine with me.

You are rigth I don't have much tack, but I don't lie.

And if someone does that are working for Satan which goes againnt JESUS.

You can call me a liar all you like, I can correct myself.

Matter a fact if I lie PLEASE TELL ME.

DON'T CALL JESUS A LIAR, or I'm calling you a liar.

 

[BillG]

So you speak and don't want no one to respond.

Are you saved?

Have you received the Holy Ghost since you have believed?

How were you baptized?

NOT MY RULES.

You don't like the messanger which is fine with me.

You are rigth I don't have much tack, but I don't lie.

And if someone does that are working for Satan which goes againnt JESUS.

You can call me a liar all you like, I can correct myself.

Matter a fact if I lie PLEASE TELL ME.

DON'T CALL JESUS A LIAR, or I'm calling you a liar.

here you go,

Just one of many

@mailmandan

Don't let mailman lie to you, I don't know nothing about any so called "Oneness doctrine" what I do know is HIS word and JESUS IS GOD.

You called him a liar.

 

[Me_Clay]

here you go,

Just one of many

Don't let mailman lie to you, I don't know nothing about any so called "Oneness doctrine" what I do know is HIS word and JESUS IS GOD.

You called him a liar.

What did Mailman lied about?

Expose a sin shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

 

[BillG]

What did Mailman lied about?

Expose a sin, saved a soul from error can hide a multitude of sins

He didn't lie but @Ouch told people not to let Mailman lie to you.

Just because @mailmandan does not agree with @Ouch theology the mailman is a list.

Not one person on here who disagrees wirh ouch that a can see have referneced that ouch is a lier that a I can see.

He asked me above how was I baptised.
I told him that goodness knows how long ago

In the name of Jesus.
Amen he said
Yet he goes at me again.
He doesn't listen.

 

[Me_Clay]

He didn't lie but @Ouch told people not to let Mailman lie to you.

Just because @mailmandan does not agree with @Ouch theology the mailman is a list.

Not one person on here who disagrees wirh ouch that a can see have referneced that ouch is a lier that a I can see.

So who lie, Mailman or Ouch?

 

[BillG]

So who lie, Mailman or Ouch?

I'm not saying either do.

What I am saying is that others disagree with his theological bent then Ouch reference they are lying as he accused @mailmandan as doing based on his above quote.

 

[BillG]

Don't throw pearls to pigs.

 

[Me_Clay]

What types of fruits do they have?

Good or evil?

 

[BillG]

What types of fruits do they have?

Good or evil?

Please clarify your question

 

[BillG]

What types of fruits do they have?

Good or evil?

What we need to bear in mind is that Paul states that all our works will be tested.
I believe that is what we build on Jesus per Corinthians
So if you believe that you are not saved if you don’t speak in tongues (as I was told)
Now Jesus never said that at all.
Yet oneness Pentecostals teach that.
Therefore they are building on the foundation of Jesus for salvation.
That will be tested.
What we preach is tested will be burned if it’s stubble/hay but a person is still saved.through the fire.

I will never judge if a person is saved or not.
Jesus will do that on the throne of judgement.

As Paul says

that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Building upon that will be tested.

 

[Me_Clay]

What we need to bear in mind is that Paul states that all our works will be tested.
I believe that is what we build on Jesus per Corinthians
So if you believe that you are not saved if you don’t speak in tongues (as I was told)
Now Jesus never said that at all.
Yet oneness Pentecostals teach that.
Therefore they are building on the foundation of Jesus for salvation.
That will be tested.
What we preach is tested will be burned if it’s stubble/hay but a person is still saved.through the fire.

I will never judge if a person is saved or not.
Jesus will do that on the throne of judgement.

As Paul says

that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Building upon that will be tested.

Horrible, how many really can speak in tongue? What about born mute?

 

[BillG]

Horrible, how many really can speak in tongue? What about born mute?

Tell me about.
Some even say if we are not baptised in Jesus name only then we are not saved
Some believe if your are not baptised at all then you are not saved.
Some believe we are saved by our works.
And the list goes on and on and on.

 

[Me_Clay]

Can the below saved you?

1. Baptism (Yes / No)
2. Speaking in tongue (Yes / No)
3. Your works (Yes / No)

 

[Me_Clay]

4. Calvinism Tulip (Yes / No)
5. Catholicism (Yes / No)
6. Orthodoxy (Yes/ No)
7. Lutheranism (Yes /No)

 

[BillG]

Can the below saved you?

1. Baptism (Yes / No)
2. Speaking in tongue (Yes / No)
3. Your works (Yes / No)

Please add the trinity to your above.

But here is the problem.

Those most who believe 1-3 as yes will not say so want those who do not believe in the Trinity will not say so either.

The reason being is that they would be banned.

 

[Ouch]

here you go,

Just one of many

@mailmandan

Don't let mailman lie to you, I don't know nothing about any so called "Oneness doctrine" what I do know is HIS word and JESUS IS GOD.

You called him a liar.

I called a couple people here a liar.

One guy changed HIS word to suit his need, do you have any idea how bold that is?

As far as I know he sill believes that being baptized in the spirit (which he wasn't) replaces being baptized for remission of sins.

What am I supposed to do when they lie?

Since liars go to hell one would think they would be happy so they could change their ways!

I'm sorry you don't like the truth, but it is what it is.

So have you been baptized in JESUS name yet?

Do you remember a lot of people including those who THOUGHT they knew HIS word, DIDN'T LIKE JESUS EITHER.

They had him killed.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

How to be reborn.

Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

What happens when JESUS fills you with the spirit.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

If you ever see me lie will you tell me please.

I'm sorry I have no tact, some people like it others don't.