Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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People can work through the sinful choices of others without being morally responsible of the sinful choices. And if mere humans can do that without being directly responsible, then how much more can God? True Calvinism has God only being able to get His will done by eternally decreeing every event, which would include the sinful choices.

Suppose a police officer is working a child or spousal abuse case. The police officer’s goal is to protect and preserve others in providing them a shelter to be able to go to for safety, support, necessities, etc. The police officer worked through the sinful choices of others, without being directly responsible for their sins. By creating a safe place, the police officer was able to stop and prevent more cases of spousal and child abuse from continuing.

Now, if man can bring good from evil without being directly responsible for the evil, so can God. Calvinism, on the other hand, wants us to believe that God can bring good from evil while being directly responsible for the evil itself. They might not admit the latter, of course, but it’s the inescapable truth for true Calvinism. And because many cannot stomach the conclusion of it, they will simply say God is sovereign, His ways and thoughts are higher than mine, it’s a mystery, etc. But that doesn’t solve the problem. It just kicks the can further down the road.
 
Hear these bells ringing

Gods mercy is inherent to him its simply the way he is,

And his mercy is offered to all through Jesus Christ to .

And it's through Jesus Christ we receive both mercy and Grace as well as through him.

The fathers mercy is just the same his compassionate heart offers forgiveness as well as guiding us protecting us, towards his son.

The fathers grace is source of all blessings he's is patient with us and it's through him we receive a relationship with his son that is to have a relation ship with him also.

The fathers mercy can be seen in the desire to walk away from sin.

Which means his mercy enables us and his grace empowers us to change.

His grace enables us to live the life he intended,

The fathers grace leads us to the son and the sons forgives us of all Sins, and the sons grace blesses us with the fruits of the holy spirit.
 
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The police officer was not causing, forcing or controlling the choices of the abusers. The abusers had free will and they used their free will to choose evil. The police officers were able to bring about their purpose through the abusers free will, which was to decide to build a safety shelter in their area/neighborhood for women and children who are being abused. In the same way, man has free will, God is able to get his will done through the choices of man's free will. If mere mortal man can do that, why should we doubt that the Almighty God, Creator of the universe, can do the same, and more?
 
Blue155 said:
The police officer was not causing, forcing or controlling the choices of the abusers. The abusers had free will and they used their free will to choose evil. The police officers were able to bring about their purpose through the abusers free will, which was to decide to build a safety shelter in their area/neighborhood for women and children who are being abused. In the same way, man has free will, God is able to get his will done through the choices of man's free will. If mere mortal man can do that, why should we doubt that the Almighty God, Creator of the universe, can do the same, and more?
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Hear these bells ringing

Gods mercy is inherent to him its simply the way he is,

And his mercy is offered to all through Jesus Christ to .

And it's through Jesus Christ we receive both mercy and Grace as well as through him.

The fathers mercy is just the same his compassionate heart offers forgiveness as well as guiding us protecting us, towards his son.

The fathers grace is source of all blessings he's is patient with us and it's through him we receive a relationship with his son that is to have a relation ship with him also.

The fathers mercy can be seen in the desire to walk away from sin.

Which means his mercy enables us and his grace empowers us to change.

His grace enables us to live the life he intended,

The fathers grace leads us to the son and the sons mercy forgives us of all Sins, and the sons grace blesses us with the fruits of the holy spirit.
 
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Calvinism wants us to believe God is the one directly responsible for Job’s suffering. They want us to believe God directly done that to Job, and used Satan like a henchmen to do His work. That is outright blasphemy and heretical to believe, as if God and Satan are tag team partners. It is absolutely twisted and utterly sick to the utmost core. Just when I think the damnable heresy of Calvinism can’t get any worse, it somehow does.
 
Now, they won't use that language, of course, but their doctrine, their theology inherently requires it. It requires it, even though they don't use it. They cannot escape the logical implications of their doctrine. They won't say the stuff that I've said, and of course they won't, because if they do, they will know how ridiculous it sounds. And so, they will hide behind God is sovereign, it's a mystery, his thoughts are higher than my thoughts, his ways are higher than my ways.
 
Jordon said:
my free gift of a British knight hood is based upon whether you will be willing to sacrifice your life For King Charles, @OLDBUTNEW
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Ok well I can change the conditions just for you mate.

I just give you a knight hood for a lifetime history of being a good mate 🙂.
 
Blue155 said:
Now, they won't use that language, of course, but their doctrine, their theology inherently requires it. It requires it, even though they don't use it. They cannot escape the logical implications of their doctrine. They won't say the stuff that I've said, and of course they won't, because if they do, they will know how ridiculous it sounds. And so, they will hide behind God is sovereign, it's a mystery, his thoughts are higher than my thoughts, his ways are higher than my ways.
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Hear these bells ringing

Gods mercy is inherent to him its simply the way he is,

And his mercy is offered to all through Jesus Christ to .

And it's through Jesus Christ we receive both mercy and Grace as well as through him.

The fathers mercy is just the same his compassionate heart offers forgiveness as well as guiding us protecting us, towards his son.

The fathers grace is source of all blessings he's is patient with us and it's through him we receive a relationship with his son that is to have a relation ship with him also.

The fathers mercy can be seen in the desire to walk away from sin.

Which means his mercy enables us and his grace empowers us to change.

His grace enables us to live the life he intended,

The fathers grace leads us to the son and the sons forgives us of all Sins, and the sons grace blesses us with the fruits of the holy spirit.
 
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The prayer of the pre-birth sovereign lottery chosenite.......?
I mean, what other prayer could reasonably be offered?

Luk 18:11
“The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector.
 
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Rufus said:
And I have proved from my two part series on Corneilius (Act 9-11) that the biblical concept of partiality (or favoritism) simply means that God doesn't favor the Jews over the Gentiles. It doesn't mean what you FWers say it does.
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Wrong.....

[Col 3:24 KJV]
Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.

[Col 3:25 KJV]
But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.
 
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