Rapture true or false

[Me_Clay]

LOL ... noooo ... I'm not even sure where Lutherans fall on the Obedience / Disobedience scale ... I believe they keep the RCC's Sunday sabbath, so that would put them on the "disobedient side" as far as God is concerned. I believe.

I believe ALL the Protestant Reformers, were correct in calling out the Roman Church, as corrupt, disobedient and Antichrist, the Beast of the "Dragon, Beast & False Prophet of Rev. 13.

I more closely follow the 7th Day Adventists, ... as I understand them to be following God's Word, more closely than any other denomination in the world, today. .. Keeping all 10 of God's Commandments ! Which we believe are required for salvation, John 14:15

... ya know ...
The five statements that sum up what lies at the heart of the Protestant belief:

By Grace alone (Sola Gratia)
Through Faith alone (Sola Fide)
In Christ alone (Solus Christus)
According to Scripture alone (Sola Scriptura)
For God’s Glory alone (Soli Deo Gloria)
My mission is to protest AGAINST the Antichrist spirit in the world TODAY.

Ohh, you're a Jehovah Witness?

 

[Blain]

I actually have a qwuestion because I am in this very topic on another forum see I was presented with thexse scriptures

1. Matthew 24:29–31“Immediately after the tribulation of those days… He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds…”

1. Revelation 20:4–6 I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus… They lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. This is the first resurrection.”

Now at first glance this seems pretty solid for a post trib rapture however Jesus said this Revelation 16:15 Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen.

So on one hand he comes announced and all eyes will see him on another he comes unannounced like a theif in the night so my question is what is the deal here? it seems to indicate two seperate comings each different in how he comes

 

[ATG]

QUOTE
""Since the Scripture only speaks of two bodily resurrections and ascensions on this earth, first that of Jesus Himself in Acts 1, and then all His people at His return in 1 Thess 4, then I would conclude that Rev 11 is speaking of the rapture of all OT and NT saints, with the two witnesses specifically mentioned.""

You keep demonstrating you doctrine of omission.
Rev14:14 is the gathering of the Jews.
Then in Matthew 24 we have one taken, one left behind Which is the pretrib gathering of the church.

Though I include a lot, I don't include everything.

QUOTE
So, due to verses you omit, We can not make your leap of doctrine.

Since you don't show any error in the conclusion, then I can keep the doctrine.

 

[ATG]

QUOTE
""That's included when speaking of all the resurrected and changed saints will meet Him in the air at His return to earth. They will be all the OT and NT saints up to the hour of His coming again. And they will not all have died in Christ, for there will be those that are alive and remain on earth at His appearing.""
Nope.
You added Old Testament saints to it.
Only the dead in Christ are resurrected as the bible says.
Adding to the bible guarantees error.

All that die in the faith of Christ, die in Christ.

Gal 3:17
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

The LORD God of Israel is Christ.

 

[ATG]

QUOTE
""This is not possible, since there will be those faithful saints remaining alive on earth at Jesus' return, who would endure the beast's temptations and persecutions, but are not yet killed before our Lord's return.""

This is why you need to go beyond postrib talking points.
The BIBLE SAYS all die refusing the mark,which is not my interpretation, it is a fact that NEEDS NONE OF YOUR interpretation. Either the bible is true or you are true.

This is why you need to read the Bible to know what's true or not.

The Scripture of saints in Christ, being alive and remaining on earth at His return, needs no interpretation.

 

[ATG]

QUOTE

For example, the simple truth, that all die refusing the mark, escapes you becaue it is the first time you are being schooled outside that narrow doctrine, that I am destroying right under your nose.

The simple truth, that no Scripture says all saints die refusing the mark, escapes you because it's the first time you are being schooled on the Scripture, that says there will be some saints alive and remaining at His return...

Anyone saying there will not be any saints alive and remaining at the Lord's return, are omitting Scripture.

1Th 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Although Paul did die for the faith of Jesus, he did speak of himself as possibly being one of those alive and remaining unto the coming of the Lord.

Conclusion: We should not omit any Scripture, but only omit what is not any Scripture.

 

[WiselyWoven]

In a subtle attempt to float the false doctrine of pre-tribulationalism (actually, it's dispensationalism), you have changed the scriptural "great" to the unscriptural "Great".

There's no such thing as small vs large letters in biblical Greek. They are all the same size.

There is no scriptural command for us to read Greek or speak Greek. And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

 

[Gideon300]

Exactly.
It is a side issue.
A nothingburger.

Unfortunately some people look for nothing to make a song and dance about.

 

[Gideon300]

The simple truth, that no Scripture says all saints die refusing the mark, escapes you because it's the first time you are being schooled on the Scripture, that says there will be some saints alive and remaining at His return...

Anyone saying there will not be any saints alive and remaining at the Lord's return, are omitting Scripture.

1Th 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Although Paul did die for the faith of Jesus, he did speak of himself as possibly being one of those alive and remaining unto the coming of the Lord.

Conclusion: We should not omit any Scripture, but only omit what is not any Scripture.

Good idea. I agree that not everyone will be killed for refusing the mark of the beast. However, the events of the book of Revelation had yet to be fulfilled when Paul declared that he could be alive at the coming of the Lord. So Paul was either misleading Christians or the pre trib position is correct. People talk about a "secret" rapture which disbelievers use to argue against the pre trib position. There will be nothing secret about it. Millions of people rising up to meet Jesus in the air will be hard to hide!

 

[ewq1938]

you have changed the scriptural "great" to the unscriptural "Great".

You have no understanding of Greek.

There is no scriptural command for us to read Greek or speak Greek.

And there is for English? Which verse??

 

[Rob7]

Begin to understand that the COVENANT JEW is Gomer.
( the wife gone awhoring) ...What was the end? A purchase
Hosea buys back the wayward wife
You are so blinded that you can see in God's Word that the JEW COMES IN THROGH JESUS IN THE END.

You are still stumbling over the same mental block. There is NO "national, ethnical Israel" now .. that ended when Israel, rejected Jesus, ......... Jesus SAYS SO !! BELIEVE HIM !!!

The rejection of Jesus by the Jewish leaders and their choice to align with Caesar marked the end of National or Ethnic Israel as the chosen people of God. A series of passages point to the rejection of Jesus and the subsequent change in God's covenantal relationship with Israel.

Here are key biblical references and points.
1. Matthew 21:43 (KJV):
“Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”

• This a pivotal moment when Jesus declares the rejection of Israel as God's chosen people because of their failure to accept Him. Israel’s rejection of Jesus as the Messiah led to the transfer of the kingdom of God from the nation of Israel to the Gentiles, the new "nation" that would bring forth the fruits of righteousness (believers in Christ, from all nations).

2. Luke 19:41-44 (KJV):
“And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes... Because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.”

• Jesus had great sorrow over Jerusalem's rejection. This moment signifies that Israel's opportunity to embrace the Messiah and fulfill their calling as the light to the world was coming to an end. This rejection of Jesus marks the end of Israel's unique position as the covenant people.

3. John 1:11 (KJV):
“He came unto his own, and his own received him not.”

• Israel’s rejection of Jesus was the culmination of their long history of resistance to God’s messengers. Their rejection of the Savior sealed their fate as the nation that would no longer be the direct focus of God’s covenant.
• As the Book of Hosea prophetically exemplifies Israel's attitude of idolatry, whoredom and apostasy that she had for the precepts of God, and His Holy Covenant, by "mingling" with surrounding pagan nations, sun worshiping idolatry, other gods, and forgetting God's Sabbath.

4. Matthew 23:37-39 (KJV):
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee... Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”

• Jesus' lament over Jerusalem was a final pronouncement of judgment on Israel for their rejection of God’s messengers. In her writings, she makes it clear that this moment marks the end of Israel's status as God's chosen people, with the temple being forsaken, symbolizing the spiritual desolation of the nation.

5. Acts 13:46 (KJV):
“Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.”

• The rejection of the gospel by many Jews led to the opening of salvation to the Gentiles. This marked a significant shift away from national Israel as the central vessel of God's covenant.

6. Romans 11:20-23 (KJV):
“Because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.”

• Israel’s unbelief and rejection of Jesus led to their removal from the covenant, while the Gentiles, who accept Christ, are grafted into the covenant. Paul here reflects the same theme, indicating that the end of national Israel's unique position was due to their rejection of the Messiah.

Conclusion:
Any Ethnic Jew today, becomes Israel, the same way as we gentiles do... By accepting Jesus, and the indwelling of Him IN us, Gal 2:20, by His Spirit, by where, we are graphed in and we ALL, by this same process, this SAME WAY, by this SAME Truth, become Israel, to inherit God's Kingdom, as heirs with the Son, to eternal life.

 

[KeithAB]

1st Thessalonians 4:13-18
The Return of the Lord
13. But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
I would not have you ignorant; N.T. #50 in the Strongs concordance means “not to know.” Paul wants the brethren to know about those who are asleep (dead, that have passed on)
14. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
If God who gave it (the spirit) is going to bring those that have died with Him just how could He do that if the spirit, soul is still in the ground?
15. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
We cannot stop the death of a loved one, we will greave their loss but not as others that do not have the hope and assurance of being with them again in Heaven when we get there.
16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Just who are the dead in Christ? Those that refused His free gift of salvation. They will be taken just as the tairs

17. Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Just when will we be caught up? We will find the answer in the book of Matthew 13 The Parable of the Tares Explained by Jesus.
36Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
Why are we going to be caught up in the air? To be taken away to some unknown place in time and space? NO! Zechariah 14:4 tells us that Jesus will put His foot on the Mt. of Olives splitting it. Ezekiel 40-48 says it will be 60 x24 mile valley = 1440 sq. miles where He will set up His millennial kingdom.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Paul is telling us; This is the way to comfort one another at the time of the passing of a loved one.
I can tell you from experience it helps to know that your loved one is with the Lord. 11/25/25 will be the 4th year since we lost our oldest daughter; This is a hard time for our family but with Gods help and the assurance that she is with the Lord in a better place gives us some peace, and comfort.
It is with those words that we should comfort one another.

 

[Me_Clay]

I actually have a qwuestion because I am in this very topic on another forum see I was presented with thexse scriptures

1. Matthew 24:29–31“Immediately after the tribulation of those days… He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds…”

1. Revelation 20:4–6 I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus… They lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. This is the first resurrection.”

Now at first glance this seems pretty solid for a post trib rapture however Jesus said this Revelation 16:15 Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen.

So on one hand he comes announced and all eyes will see him on another he comes unannounced like a theif in the night so my question is what is the deal here? it seems to indicate two seperate comings each different in how he comes

Yay, 2 coming one in the cloud mid air (rapture or harpazo, snatch away) and the other one in a white horse with His 2 armies landed on earth (near the end of the 7 years Tribulation)

 

[Psalm1]

The simple truth, that no Scripture says all saints die refusing the mark, escapes you because it's the first time you are being schooled on the Scripture, that says there will be some saints alive and remaining at His return...

Anyone saying there will not be any saints alive and remaining at the Lord's return, are omitting Scripture.

1Th 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Although Paul did die for the faith of Jesus, he did speak of himself as possibly being one of those alive and remaining unto the coming of the Lord.

Conclusion: We should not omit any Scripture, but only omit what is not any Scripture.

QUOTE
" "simple truth, that no Scripture says all saints die refusing the mark, escapes you because it's the first time you are being schooled on the Scripture, that says there will be some saints alive and remaining at His return..." "

Sigh
Rev 13
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


huh?....he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads, that no man might buy or sell, unless he that had the mark

Huh?....
it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb

Rev20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Hmmmm.....according to postribbers all the saints are protected during the trib.

Foolishness!
They all die that refuse the mark.
Every man, woman, and child, as the Bible explicitly, vividly, declares.


I thought the saints ran from cave to cave for 7 years ?
Nope ALL DIE WHO RECIEVE THE MARK.

It is the bible that schools yout teachers.
But they cherry pick and OMIT HUGE SECTIONS... that I am giving you to reject.

 

[Psalm1]

This is why you need to read the Bible to know what's true or not.

The Scripture of saints in Christ, being alive and remaining on earth at His return, needs no interpretation.

The bible " all die"
Rev 13
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

You, "God is mistaken."

 

[Psalm1]

All that die in the faith of Christ, die in Christ.

Gal 3:17
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

The LORD God of Israel is Christ.

Lol
"The dead in Christ", must be changed huh?

Pitiful friend.
Just pitiful.
You know your doctrine is bad when you can not identify who the dead in Christ are, and have no knowledge of what the mission of Jesus was when he went to paradise and freed the captives.

Pssssst....paradise was empty at the writing of 1 thes.
So your doctrine bit you again, trying to ascribe all ot saints as " the dead in Christ".

Those men that teach that postribber mess need to be fired.
Big time.

 

[Psalm1]

Though I include a lot, I don't include everything.




Since you don't show any error in the conclusion, then I can keep the doctrine.

Go to YouTube and watch ANY POSTRIBBER TEACHER.
NONE of them include Rev 14.
None of them honestly address the 144k, the innumerable number in heaven with dirty robes washed, or the virgin parable, or acts 1 ( like manner)

ALL of them..100%... Change Matt 24 "angles gather from heaven", into: "Jesus gathers from earth".

ALL OF THEM omit matt24 " before the flood "
Ask any of them what happened in Jesus "Noah analogy" BEFORE THE FLOOD.
ASK THEM what happened.
Watch them shrug their shoulders.
Ask them " what is the setting for EVERY RAPTURE VERSE"
They do not know.
Ask them to unpack rev 14:14 HONESTLY.
You will receive a bible changing adventure.

ASK THEM TO unpack the virgin parable WHITHOUT CHANGING THE COMPONENTS of the parable.....(they can't do it)

It is insidious once light is shined into that dark doctrine.

 

[ATG]

Good idea. I agree that not everyone will be killed for refusing the mark of the beast. However, the events of the book of Revelation had yet to be fulfilled when Paul declared that he could be alive at the coming of the Lord.

And this is a good idea too. However, unless there is later Scripture proving otherwise, then it remains true until the coming of the Lord.

So Paul was either misleading Christians

Which of course is not true for any prophet nor apostle of the Lord, writing His Scriptures.

However, it's still a good idea, that the Scripture was true at the time, and yet became 'amended' by the Lord. Other old prophecies, and even the OT itself was spoken of as everlasting, and yet it died with the God of Israel Jesus Christ on the cross.

So, do you see any Scripture later saying that all saints will surely die, from the last AC's persecution, before the Lord returns?

Mat 24:22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

This certainly implies some of the elect will be spared bodily death and remain alive at Jesus' coming. However, may not be definitive. It does mean for certain, that were will be flesh and blood people left alive. They are them that go through the Lord's own great tribulation of wrath, as well as gather to war against Him.

Shortening those days of the AC and Satan's wrath upon the elect, will no doubt spare some from being decieved and receiving the beast's mark. But, it's in context of flesh remaining alive on earth.

Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

But, it's in context of flesh remaining alive on earth.

or the pre trib position is correct.

I still don't know why you think I'm not teaching pre-trib rapture?

People talk about a "secret" rapture which disbelievers use to argue against the pre trib position. There will be nothing secret about it. Millions of people rising up to meet Jesus in the air will be hard to hide!

Absolutely. The only thing that happens in a moment of time, is their resurrection and bodily immortal change. I believe the example of Jesus Himself in Acts 1, as well as the two witnesses of Rev 11, shows they will all rise together to meet the Lord in the air, in plain sight of all people left on the earth.

There will be no mistaking who has returned, the Lord Jesus Christ, nor what has happened with multitudes of the dead on earth, the first resurrection of His people from righteous Abel to the hour of His coming. And, if alive and remaining, then also many immortally changed that are alive at the time.

I'd be interested in anything on the prophecy of Thessalonians, being later changed.

 

[Rob7]

Go to YouTube and watch ANY POSTRIBBER TEACHER.
NONE of them include Rev 14.
None of them honestly address the 144k, the innumerable number in heaven with dirty robes washed, or the virgin parable, or acts 1 ( like manner)

ALL of them..100%... Change Matt 24 "angles gather from heaven", into: "Jesus gathers from earth".

ALL OF THEM omit matt24 " before the flood "
Ask any of them what happened in Jesus "Noah analogy" BEFORE THE FLOOD.
ASK THEM what happened.
Watch them shrug their shoulders.
Ask them " what is the setting for EVERY RAPTURE VERSE"
They do not know.
Ask them to unpack rev 14:14 HONESTLY.
You will receive a bible changing adventure.

ASK THEM TO unpack the virgin parable WHITHOUT CHANGING THE COMPONENTS of the parable.....(they can't do it)

It is insidious once light is shined into that dark doctrine.

The above is a good example of a "false prophet" of Rev 13, A shill for the RCC, - Antichrist, (knowing or unknowingly) ... "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2Tim 3:5 ( The "power" being the Holy Spirit of Jesus )

You give them a sound doctrinal, Bible verse, LOGICAL sequence ( reasoning ) countering their false accusations and it makes NO SENSE to them, ... I believe, because of their lack of the Holy Spirit, that guides us to all understanding.

"But the natural man does not welcome what comes from God's Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to know it since it is evaluated spiritually. 1 Cor.2:14 HCSB

“Destruction is certain for my rebellious children,” says the LORD. “You make plans that are contrary to my will. You weave a web of plans that are not from my Spirit, thus piling up your sins” (Isaiah 30:1 NLT).

If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit (Galatians 5:25 ESV).

But if, in fact, our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. Regarding them: the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God (2 Corinthians 4:3, 4 HCSB).

Yet they self-righteously claim, proclaim and pronounce Bible doctrine, ( rather than the Righteousness of Christ ) as if they are an authority on Truth, but are only vomiting the Antichrist's false religion, Dispensationalism, that leads gullable souls to perditon.

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned to fables." 2 Tim 4:3-4

These "fables" are ONLY grounded on Francisco Reberra, Jesuit priest's, corruption of Daniel 9:27 prophetic understanding, to create a 7 year period of tribulation, NOW at the End of Time, to push the Antichrist's agenda of false doctrines. There is NO Biblical Prophecy or mention of a 7 year period of time IN THE BIBLE, during these last days of tribulation that is NOW coming upon the Earth, that these dispensationalist are basing their FALSE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

In a subtle attempt to float the false doctrine of pre-tribulationalism (actually, it's dispensationalism), you have changed the scriptural "great" to the unscriptural "Great".

So! Br. WW ... at what point do we stop trying to persuade these folks ? ... or should we ?
... these "false prophets" to the Truth, and Believing Jesus. ... by "turning away", per 2 Tim 3:5 ??

Blessed Sabbath Folks

 

[Psalm1]

You are still stumbling over the same mental block. There is NO "national, ethnical Israel" now .. that ended when Israel, rejected Jesus, ......... Jesus SAYS SO !! BELIEVE HIM !!!

The rejection of Jesus by the Jewish leaders and their choice to align with Caesar marked the end of National or Ethnic Israel as the chosen people of God. A series of passages point to the rejection of Jesus and the subsequent change in God's covenantal relationship with Israel.

Here are key biblical references and points.
1. Matthew 21:43 (KJV):
“Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”

• This a pivotal moment when Jesus declares the rejection of Israel as God's chosen people because of their failure to accept Him. Israel’s rejection of Jesus as the Messiah led to the transfer of the kingdom of God from the nation of Israel to the Gentiles, the new "nation" that would bring forth the fruits of righteousness (believers in Christ, from all nations).

2. Luke 19:41-44 (KJV):
“And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes... Because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.”

• Jesus had great sorrow over Jerusalem's rejection. This moment signifies that Israel's opportunity to embrace the Messiah and fulfill their calling as the light to the world was coming to an end. This rejection of Jesus marks the end of Israel's unique position as the covenant people.

3. John 1:11 (KJV):
“He came unto his own, and his own received him not.”

• Israel’s rejection of Jesus was the culmination of their long history of resistance to God’s messengers. Their rejection of the Savior sealed their fate as the nation that would no longer be the direct focus of God’s covenant.
• As the Book of Hosea prophetically exemplifies Israel's attitude of idolatry, whoredom and apostasy that she had for the precepts of God, and His Holy Covenant, by "mingling" with surrounding pagan nations, sun worshiping idolatry, other gods, and forgetting God's Sabbath.

4. Matthew 23:37-39 (KJV):
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee... Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”

• Jesus' lament over Jerusalem was a final pronouncement of judgment on Israel for their rejection of God’s messengers. In her writings, she makes it clear that this moment marks the end of Israel's status as God's chosen people, with the temple being forsaken, symbolizing the spiritual desolation of the nation.

5. Acts 13:46 (KJV):
“Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.”

• The rejection of the gospel by many Jews led to the opening of salvation to the Gentiles. This marked a significant shift away from national Israel as the central vessel of God's covenant.

6. Romans 11:20-23 (KJV):
“Because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.”

• Israel’s unbelief and rejection of Jesus led to their removal from the covenant, while the Gentiles, who accept Christ, are grafted into the covenant. Paul here reflects the same theme, indicating that the end of national Israel's unique position was due to their rejection of the Messiah.

Conclusion:
Any Ethnic Jew today, becomes Israel, the same way as we gentiles do... By accepting Jesus, and the indwelling of Him IN us, Gal 2:20, by His Spirit, by where, we are graphed in and we ALL, by this same process, this SAME WAY, by this SAME Truth, become Israel, to inherit God's Kingdom, as heirs with the Son, to eternal life.

Ok
You are so steeped in delusion romans 11 means nothing to you.
Hosea with Gomer, and that ENTIRE STORY, completely escapes you.
The book of Ruth is like a false fairy tale to your silly doctrine.

False replacement theology taught you by men.
Just ridiculous, then you sling trash on anyone disagreeing with you personal insults.
Go play Jr.
Keep you nastiness.