At what point in our salvation is the blood of Christ applied?

[Ouch]

God has names according to his manifested function to man.

If God is to be as a man to men? "Jesus."

Jesus is the Father being manifested to us in a manner that we can relate to readily as men.

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Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? ​

Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John 14:9​

If Jesus were not God being manifested as a man, and expressing God in a manner that men can identify with?
No one could see God!

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God ​

and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. John 1:18​

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AMEN, JESUS IS GOD.

 

[mailmandan]

AMEN, JESUS IS GOD.

Jesus, who is the (unique, one of a kind) Son of God, who is distinct in person from God the Father but still God in essence/nature (Matthew 28:19; Luke 23:34, 46; John 1:1-3, 14; 3:16; 10:30-33; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8 etc..) or the Jesus who is God the Father masquerading as Jesus? (modalism)

 

[Beckworth]

it's interesting that those who reject that we are saved by faith through grace will deny that they are saved by works.

What other alternative is there if we are not saved by faith?[/QUOTE


You MISREPRESENT those who believe in salvation by obeying Mark 16:16 and Acts 2:38. Not one person that I know or have ever heard of, has ever denied that we are saved by “ faith through grace.” Yet you have accused us of rejecting “salvation by faith through grace.” You must be either “ignorant” ( lacking in knowledge or awareness) or “dishonest” (behaving in an untrustworthy or fraudulent way. Intending to MISLEAD.) Which is it? Are you ignorant? Or are you dishonest? I have my opinion; but neither one is a complement to you. If you want people to believe what you say, then represent them fairly. Otherwise you lose credibility.

So, just in case you are just “ignorant” about the matter—let me inform you that those of us who believe you should “believe and be baptized “ to be saved, as Jesus has plainly said in Mark 16:16, do not reject salvation by faith through grace. We reject salvation by FAITH ALONE through grace. Huge difference. Being saved by faith ALONE is clearly denied in James 2:24. The word “alone” or “only” seems to have been inserted, and added, either verbally, or mentally, or both, into every scripture dealing with faith in the New Testament, by every person who believes in “salvation by faith alone.”

Here is an example: John 3:16- very well known verse on faith. “… that whoever BELIEVES on Him shouid not perish but have everlasting life.” I interpret that and believe that exactly as it is written, but those who believe in salvation by faith alone, interpret that as “…whoever believes ONLY on Him….” They actually use this verse to teach salvation by faith only.

Roman’s 5:1-2-reads “ Therefore, having been justified by faith…” I believe we are justified by faith just like the verse says. What I DONT BELIEVE is we are “justified”. by faith ALONE! Do you see the word “ALONE” in that verse??? I don’t either. But I think that is the way you interpret it; that is the way YOU see it. Can you not understand that there is a HUGE difference in being justified by faith, and being justified by faith ALONE? You are “ADDING” to the word of God and Jesus says He will add to you the “plagues that are written in This book.” Revelation 22:18.

Ephesians 2:8-9-“ For by grace you have been saved through faith …”. That’s how God wrote it. This is how YOU read it, “ For by grace you have been saved through faith ALONE…”. And you expect those of us who believe the Bible the way GOD wrote it, to believe your VERSION of it over God’s.

I believe the Bible teaches we are saved by both faith and the works of God ( John 6:29) that He has commanded—like faith, 1 THESS. 1:3 and 2 Thess. 1:11, and baptism Col. 2:12– both works of God; testified. By the Holy Spirit. Also, testified by Jesus Christ in Mark 16:16 where He says that BOTH FAITH AND BAPTISM are required for salvation. If you want to call baptism a “work”, I have no problem with that because that is exactly what the Holy Spirit calls it. And even though it is a “work”, Jesus still puts it BEFORE salvation in Mark 16:16 and says it is necessary to be saved. So, from what I read in the Bible, and particularly the verses cited, I conclude that the Bible teaches that we are saved by faith and baptism ( the work of God) just as Jesus says and the Holy Spirit wrote in Mark 16:16. And all of it is by the grace of God. We woujd not even know what to do to please Him or how to be saved if it were not for His wonderful love and grace ( unmerited favor). Yes, I totally reject and repudiate salvation by faith alone. James 2:24.

Peter wrote about those who “wrest” the scriptures, meaning to “distort” or twist or“misrepresent” the meaning of the scriptures in 2 Peter 3:16. Paul wrote about those who would “pervert” the gospel of Christ in Galations 1. We are warned by God to beware of men who “ will exploit you with deceptive words.” 2 Peter 2:2. Peter calls them false teachers in verse 1.

So, let us be careful how we handle the scriptures; not adding to or taking away from what God has written. And let’s always try to represent those we disagree with fairly.

 

[Genez]

Jesus, who is the (unique, one of a kind) Son of God, who is distinct in person from God the Father but still God in essence/nature (Matthew 28:19; Luke 23:34, 46; John 1:1-3, 14; 3:16; 10:30-33; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8 etc..) or the Jesus who is God the Father masquerading as Jesus? (modalism)

Jesus is God being expressed as a man would express God while being God.​

 

[Inquisitor]

Jesus is God being expressed as a man would express God while being God.​

Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

 

[Ouch]

Jesus, who is the (unique, one of a kind) Son of God, who is distinct in person from God the Father but still God in essence/nature (Matthew 28:19; Luke 23:34, 46; John 1:1-3, 14; 3:16; 10:30-33; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8 etc..) or the Jesus who is God the Father masquerading as Jesus? (modalism)

Thank you NO JESUS IS GOD.

I like letting his word do the talking.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

John 1:1 plus 10-12
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days ((( I will raise it up.)))

Look here, JESUS speaking to Nicodemus. JESUS is ON the earth and he is also in Heaven!!
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Verses that JESUS spoke and those that GOD spoke.
JESUS IS COMING
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matthew 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD IS COMING
Zechariah 14:4,5, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Revelation 19:11, 16

JESUS THE CREATOR
John 1:10, 1 cor 8:6, Ephesians 3:9, Col. 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12, Revelation 4:8-11, 10:6, 14:6-7, 21:5-7, 22:3.
GOD THE CREATOR
Genesis 1:1, 2:7, Job 33:4, Psalm 33:6, 104:30, I sa 40:28, 44:24, 45:11-18, Mal 2:10
JESUS THE ROCK
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matt 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD THE ROCK
Deut 32:1-4, 2 Samuel 22:1-3, 22:32, Psalm 18:2, 31:3, 78:34-35, 89:26, Isaiah 17:10-11

JESUS THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
1 John 4:14, 1 Peter 2:21-24, Acts 20:28, Gal 3:13, Luke 24:21-29, 2:10-11, Philippians 3:20, 1 Timothy 1:1-3, 4:10, Tutus 1:1-4, 2:10-13, 1 Peter 1:10-11, Jude 25
GOD THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
Psalm 78:34-35, I Isaiah 47:4, 44:6, 43:3-11, 45:21, 49:26, Psalm 106:21, Luke 1:46-47

JESUS FIRST AND LAST
Revelation 1:17, 22:13
GOD FIRST AND LAST
Isaiah 41:4, 43:10-11, 44:6-8
JESUS THE SHEPHERD
John 10:8-12, 1 Peter 2:21-25, Hebrews 13:20, 1 peter 5:4
GOD THE SHEPHERD
Psalm 23, Isaiah 40:10-11, Psalm 100

JESUS THE I AM AND I AM HE
John 18:5-8, 8:24-28, Revelation 1:17-18,
GOD THE I AM AND I AM HE
Exodus 3:13-14, Isaiah 43:10-11 and 25.

JESUS THE KING
Matthew 2:1-6, Luke 19:32-28, 23:3, John 18:37, 19:21, 1 Timothy 6:13-16, Revelation 15:1-4, 19:11-16
GOD THE KING
Psalm 24, 44:4, 74:12, Isaiah 43:10-15, 44:6-8, Jeremiah 10:10, Zechaniah 14:9

THERE'S MORE!!!

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

THERE'S MORE!!!

Amen! So Much More!!: 160 Reasons Jesus Christ is Almighty God!

And, Praise His Wonderful Name!!!

 

[Me_Clay]

No one seem to pay attention to the question ?

They've all gone astrayed......

""At what point in our salvation is the blood of Christ applied?"

 

[Ouch]

No one seem to pay attention to the question ?

They've all gone astrayed......

""At what point in our salvation is the blood of Christ applied?"

I don't think there is scripture saying that specifically but I'm going to say IN THE WATER when we are baptized in JESUS name.

 

[Ouch]

Jesus, who is the (unique, one of a kind) Son of God, who is distinct in person from God the Father but still God in essence/nature (Matthew 28:19; Luke 23:34, 46; John 1:1-3, 14; 3:16; 10:30-33; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8 etc..) or the Jesus who is God the Father masquerading as Jesus? (modalism)

Did you ever figure out if there is ONE GOD or three?

If there is ONE what is HIS name?

If three what are HIS names?

 

[mailmandan]

Amen! So Much More!!: 160 Reasons Jesus Christ is Almighty God!

And, Praise His Wonderful Name!!!

Jesus Christ is Almighty God in essence/nature yet distinct in person from God the Father. Don't let Ouch fool you. He subscribes to "Oneness" doctrine, emphasizing a single God manifested as Jesus Christ, (non-Trinitarian, modalism).

 

[mailmandan]

Did you ever figure out if there is ONE GOD or three?

If there is ONE what is HIS name?

If three what are HIS names?

Did you ever figure out that there is ONE God in essence/nature who exists as three co-equal persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit? It's not three Gods but one God in three distinct, divine, unified persons.

 

[Ouch]

Jesus Christ is Almighty God in essence/nature yet distinct in person from God the Father. Don't let Ouch fool you. He subscribes to "Oneness" doctrine, emphasizing a single God manifested as Jesus Christ, (non-Trinitarian, modalism).

Don't let mailman lie to you, I don't know nothing about any so called "Oneness doctrine" what I do know is HIS word and JESUS IS GOD.

You are more then welcome to think GOD who is spirit and the Holy Ghost which is spirit and JESUS who was 100% GOD and 100% flesh are three different gods all you like.

How about doing a search and check out when men invented the trinity.

Again I ask you what are your three gods names?

 

[Ouch]

Did you ever figure out that there is ONE God in essence/nature who exists as three co-equal persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit? It's not three Gods but one God in three distinct, divine, unified persons.

No, there is no such thing as three co-equal persons.

How about keeping it simple, just share you three gods names.

How can you call a spirit a person?

I don't have a problem with HIS word, your the one who said JESUS IS GOD and in the same conversation you said there are three gods.

Looks to me like your the one who needs to study it out.

 

[mailmandan]

Don't let mailman lie to you, I don't know nothing about any so called "Oneness doctrine" what I do know is HIS word and JESUS IS GOD.

You are more then welcome to think GOD who is spirit and the Holy Ghost which is spirit and JESUS who was 100% GOD and 100% flesh are three different gods all you like.

How about doing a search and check out when men invented the trinity.

Again I ask you what are your three gods names?

It's not a lie. First Apostolic Pentecostal churches teach oneness theology which is a belief that there is only one God who manifested himself as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. This is in contrast to the Trinity. I already answered your loaded question.

 

[mailmandan]

No, there is no such thing as three co-equal persons.

How about keeping it simple, just share you three gods names.

How can you call a spirit a person?

I don't have a problem with HIS word, your the one who said JESUS IS GOD and in the same conversation you said there are three gods.

Looks to me like your the one who needs to study it out.

I never said three gods. I said ONE God in essence/nature who exists as three co-equal persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit? It's not three Gods but one God in three distinct, divine, unified persons. I don't have a problem with God's word and I have studied it out. I have also come to the conclusion that the Trinity is found in scripture and oneness theology or modalism is not found in scripture and is also heretical.

 

[Genez]

Thank you NO JESUS IS GOD.

He was not arguing against you. He agrees.

Read what he said.

Jesus, who is the (unique, one of a kind) Son of God, who is distinct in person from God the Father but still God in essence/nature (Matthew 28:19; Luke 23:34, 46; John 1:1-3, 14; 3:16; 10:30-33; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8 etc..)

Did you catch that the first time?

 

[Ouch]

I never said three gods. I said ONE God in essence/nature who exists as three co-equal persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit? It's not three Gods but one God in three distinct, divine, unified persons. I don't have a problem with God's word and I have studied it out. I have also come to the conclusion that the Trinity is found in scripture and oneness theology or modalism is not found in scripture and is also heretical.

So what are those persons names? Do they have names?

I go to a UPC church and they know like I do, there is ONLY ONE GOD AND HIS NAME IS JESUS.

I think the word "Oneness" comes from unbelievers who follow the for runners of the catholic church so those who believe the trinity are a branch off of them.

Since you studied it out, what is GOD'S NAME?

Did all of the verse I share help you?

What do you think of this?

Acts 1
King James Version
1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,

2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.



We can see what JESUS told HIS disciple to do, are you a JESUS disciple?

Keep in mind as we can tell they knew who HE was.

Maybe before speaking as you know, you should be more like HIS disciples since JESUS filled them with HIS spirit before they went out.

Maybe be a good idea if JESUS filled you?

This is what happened when HE did.

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

This also is what JESUS told them to do.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

This was the first message that JESUS promised.

Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

End result HIS disciples knew who HE was and you can too.

Has JESUS FILLED YOU with the Holy Ghost?

 

[Ouch]

He was not arguing against you. He agrees.

Read what he said.



Did you catch that the first time?

Thank you, he belives in the trinity thing.

Notice he says, "who is distinct in person from God the Father"

In the past he told me in two different post that JESUS is GOD and also HE wasn't.

He may be getting it, time will tell.

 

[Genez]

Thank you, he belives in the trinity thing.

You do not believe God is manifesting Himself as a Trinity?
Is that what you are telling me?