At what point in our salvation is the blood of Christ applied?

[mailmandan]

Here is the verse:

What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

You forgot to highlight says he has faith but does not have works (to evidence his faith). What kind of faith is that? Empty profession of faith/dead faith. That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith.

What defines a faith that is dead is the lack of works.

Correction. What demonstrates that a profession of faith is dead? The lack of works. What defines a faith that is alive? Made alive together with Christ and saved by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:5-9) then created in Christ Jesus unto/for good works. (Ephesians 2:10) You just cannot seem to get the horse before the cart.

James clearly states that faith alone can not save.

James is talking about a bare profession of faith that remains "alone" barren of works. (James 2:14) Hence, faith alone in that sense. *Not to be confused with faith that trusts in Jesus Christ "alone" for salvation. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9) Hence, faith alone in that sense. You still do not understand the difference. Prior to my conversion I did not understand either.

Therefore faith alone regeneration theology can not save.

It cannot save per James 2:14 which is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. Man is saved through faith apart from the merit of works yet genuine faith does not remain alone from the presence of works.

***In other words, it is not the empty profession of faith that does not save, it is the lack of works that does not save.***

Man is not saved by works (Romans 4:2-6; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 3 Timothy 1:9) so your premise is invalid. Genuine faith saves (apart from works) and genuine faith results in producing works. Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. No fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root.

We may debate what works must be done but not the need for them to be done.

Works salvation is no salvation at all. You can keep boasting in works and I will keep boasting in Christ. (Galatians 6:14)

 

[mailmandan]

You see this as convincing?

Absolutely!

Here is Mr. Robertson's commentary on this subject:

Unto the remission of your sins (εις αφεσιν των αμαρτιων υμων). This phrase is the subject of endless controversy as men look at it from the standpoint of sacramental or of evangelical theology. In themselves the words can express aim or purpose for that use of εις does exist as in 1 Corinthians 2:7 εις δοξαν ημων (for our glory). But then another usage exists which is just as good Greek as the use of εις for aim or purpose. It is seen in Matthew 10:41 in three examples εις ονομα προφητου, δικαιου, μαθητου where it cannot be purpose or aim, but rather the basis or ground, on the basis of the name of prophet, righteous man, disciple, because one is, etc. It is seen again in Matthew 12:41 about the preaching of Jonah (εις το κηρυγμα Ιωνα). They repented because of (or at) the preaching of Jonah. The illustrations of both usages are numerous in the N.T. and the Koine generally (Robertson, Grammar, p. 592). One will decide the use here according as he believes that baptism is essential to the remission of sins or not. My view is decidedly against the idea that Peter, Paul, or any one in the New Testament taught baptism as essential to the remission of sins or the means of securing such remission. So I understand Peter to be urging baptism on each of them who had already turned (repented) and for it to be done in the name of Jesus Christ on the basis of the forgiveness of sins which they had already received.

Amen!

Anyone reading these 14 sentences can see the bias of the author. The following states it all.

One will decide the use here according as he believes that baptism is essential to the remission of sins or not. My view is decidedly against the idea that Peter, Paul, or any one in the New Testament taught baptism as essential to the remission of sins or the means of securing such remission. So I understand Peter to be urging baptism on each of them who had already turned (repented) and for it to be done in the name of Jesus Christ on the basis of the forgiveness of sins which they had already received.

There are no Bibles that translate Acts 2:38 in the way this gentleman is suggesting!!!

Its more about Biblical Hermeneutics than it is about bias. Campbellites certainly have their bias when it comes to Acts 10:43-47.

As Greek scholar AT Robertson stated: Change of number from plural to singular and of person from second to third. This change marks a break in the thought here that the English translation does not preserve. The first thing to do is make a radical and complete change of heart and life. Then let each one be baptized after this change has taken place, and the act of baptism be performed “in the name of Jesus Christ” (εν τωι ονοματι Ιησου Χριστου — en tōi onomati Iēsou Christou).

E Calvin Beisner said something similar - In short, the most precise English translation of the relevant clauses, arranging them to reflect the switches in person and number of the verbs, would be, “You (plural) repent for the forgiveness of your (plural) sins, and let each one (singular) of you be baptized (singular)….” Or, to adopt our Southern dialect again, “Y’all repent for the forgiveness of y’all’s sins, and let each one of you be baptized….”

When I showed this translation to the late Julius Mantey, one of the foremost Greek grammarians of the twentieth century and co-author of A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament (originally published in 1927), he approved and even signed his name next to it in the margin of my Greek New Testament. These arguments, lexical and grammatical, stand independently. Even if one rejects both lexical meanings of for, he still must face the grammatical argument, and even if he rejects the grammatical conclusion, he still must face the lexical argument. Does Acts 2:38 prove baptismal remission? No, it doesn’t even support it as part of a cumulative case. — E. Calvin Beisner

http://www.equip.org/PDF/JAA238.pdf

 

[Ouch]

In your view, Jesus is not a distinct divine person but a temporary manifestation of God the Father. Your view rejects the Trinity, which holds there is one God in essence/nature in three distinct persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Biblical accounts show the Father sending the Son, Jesus praying to the Father, the Father sending the Holy Spirit, which shows three distinct persons and not one person appearing in different ways. Modalism views the Father, Son (Jesus) and Holy Spirit as different manifestations or modes of a single, one-person God, rather than three distinct persons within the Godhead. This means that Jesus is not a separate, eternal Son of God, but rather the Father appearing in the mode of a man. This understanding conflicts with the Biblical portrayal of distinct, inter-personal relationships between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

A different spirit refers to spiritual influence or teaching that is not from the Holy Spirit and leads people to believe in a false Christ and a corrupt gospel. It's a deceptive spiritual power that opposes the true Spirit of God which is the Spirit of truth. This different spirit is associated with false prophets and teachers who promote a different Jesus and a different gospel (a false gospel) rather than the true Jesus and the true gospel as preached by the apostle Paul.

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. Your "different" gospel "adds" water baptism in Jesus' name only along with speaking in tongues as a prerequisite for salvation. Speaking in tongues is not the all-inclusive evidence that one is filled with the Holy Spirit. We see that John the Baptist, his mother Elizabeth, and his father Zacharias are all described as being filled with the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:15, 41, 67) yet in each case, it is related to clear proclamations they would make rather than speaking in tongues. Peter also spoke with boldness in Acts 4:8.

In the book of Acts we see another example - "And when they had prayed, the place where they had gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak the word of God with boldness." (Acts 4:31) They are filled with the Holy Spirit, and the result is speaking the word of God with boldness, not speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues is not the necessary evidence for all that one is filled with the Holy Spirit for all. Members of the New Apostolic Pentecostal church need to be freed from a false gospel taught by false prophets. Freedom is found in the simple message of saving grace contained in the true gospel of Jesus Christ. (Acts 15:7-9; Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 1:18-21; 15:1-4)

Is it ok with you if I use HIS word to find the answer?

I do know one can bounce back and forth, debating scripture.

Is GOD a spirit?
Is the Holy Ghost a spirit?
JESUS was a human and in fact father was the Holy Spirit.

What is GOD'S name? HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE? Three or ONE?

Please look at these.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

John 1:1 plus 10-12
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days ((( I will raise it up.)))

Look here, JESUS speaking to Nicodemus. JESUS is ON the earth and he is also in Heaven!!
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

I could share MANY more.

I agree about different spirits, but if you have not been filled with HIS how do you know one from the other?

You thoughts of how to be reborn leaves out the book of Acts from Chapter 1 verse 1 to the end which is the FOUNDATION of the building of the church.

HOW DO YOU GET RID OF YOUR SINS?

In the book of Acts everyone that was filled with the Holy Ghost spoke in tongues and was examples for us to follow.

As you can see since you leave out the part of the book of Acts you and I will never agree and one of us is wrong.

Keep in mind your the one leaving parts of HIS word out.

 

[rogerg]

JESUS was a human and in fact father was the Holy Spirit.

Nope:

[Phl 2:6-8 KJV]
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

 

[mailmandan]

Is it ok with you if I use HIS word to find the answer?

I do know one can bounce back and forth, debating scripture.

Is GOD a spirit?
Is the Holy Ghost a spirit?
JESUS was a human and in fact father was the Holy Spirit.

What is GOD'S name? HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE? Three or ONE?

Please look at these.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

John 1:1 plus 10-12
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days ((( I will raise it up.)))

Look here, JESUS speaking to Nicodemus. JESUS is ON the earth and he is also in Heaven!!
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

I could share MANY more.

I agree about different spirits, but if you have not been filled with HIS how do you know one from the other?

You thoughts of how to be reborn leaves out the book of Acts from Chapter 1 verse 1 to the end which is the FOUNDATION of the building of the church.

HOW DO YOU GET RID OF YOUR SINS?

In the book of Acts everyone that was filled with the Holy Ghost spoke in tongues and was examples for us to follow.

As you can see since you leave out the part of the book of Acts you and I will never agree and one of us is wrong.

Keep in mind your the one leaving parts of HIS word out.

The Trinity: A brief description and a table showing it biblically https://share.google/590D6XwKOZkJeUfxb

The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of the Trinity | Christian Research Institute https://share.google/LnrouEPdyC6AbaCCC

I have previously cited multiple verses from the book of Acts and speaking in tongues is not required for salvation, which comes through saving belief/faith in Jesus Christ alone, as supported by the consensus of scripture. (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 11:17; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-26; 4:5-6; 5:1-2; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

While tongues is a valid spiritual gift given by the Holy Spirit to some members of the body of Christ, it is not a universal or necessary sign of being saved, with scripture indicating that not all possess this gift. (1 Corinthians 12:27-31) You are deceived.

 

[Ouch]

Nope:

[Phl 2:6-8 KJV]
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

100% Human 100% GOD.

1 Timothy 3:16
King James Version
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

 

[rogerg]

100% Human 100% GOD.

1 Timothy 3:16
King James Version
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Is that what you meant by: "JESUS was a human and in fact father was the Holy Spirit. "?
That sounded to me like you were saying Jesus was human and in fact (his) father was the Holy Spirit, not that Jesus Himself is God,
which doesn't sound the same as the verse you quoted above. But okay, if I misunderstood your intent, sorry.

 

[Ouch]

The Trinity: A brief description and a table showing it biblically https://share.google/590D6XwKOZkJeUfxb

The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of the Trinity | Christian Research Institute https://share.google/LnrouEPdyC6AbaCCC

I have previously cited multiple verses from the book of Acts and speaking in tongues is not required for salvation, which comes through saving belief/faith in Jesus Christ alone, as supported by the consensus of scripture. (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 11:17; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-26; 4:5-6; 5:1-2; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

While tongues is a valid spiritual gift given by the Holy Spirit to some members of the body of Christ, it is not a universal or necessary sign of being saved, with scripture indicating that not all possess this gift. (1 Corinthians 12:27-31) You are deceived.

You go and enjoy your day.

 

[Ouch]

Is that what you meant by: "JESUS was a human and in fact father was the Holy Spirit. "?
That sounded to me like you were saying Jesus was human and in fact (his) father was the Holy Spirit, not that Jesus Himself is God,
which doesn't sound the same as the verse you quoted above. But okay, if I misunderstood your intent, sorry.

Yea, I can see why you would think that, Thank you for sure no need to apologize.

 

[Ouch]

So, it's confirmed. You are DECEIVED. You have a different Jesus, a different spirit and a different gospel (2 Corinthians 11:3-4) that you put up with easily enough.

Your going to have to help me, I don't understand.

1. There is ONLY ONE GOD, do you know HIS name?

2. If you think there is three, please tell me their names!!!!

3. How many JESUS'S are there?

4. What JESUS am I following????

Not sure what church I go to has anything to do with me sharing HIS word.

LETS FACE THE FACTS YOU DON'T LIKE HIS WORD AND YOUR LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO POINT YOUR FINGERS AT SO YOU DON'T LOOK SO BAD.

Be great if you could answer my questions, IF YOU CAN'T YOUR THE PROBLEM.

4 questions, I will be waiting.

 

[sawdust]

So why did Peter row out to the deep water and drop his nets?

a. "Because of" the fish he already had?
or
b. "In order to" catch the fish he did not have?

If you are intellectually honest you will answer b.

Or C .. because he believed the word of his Lord and acted accordingly.

 

[DJT_47]

Your going to have to help me, I don't understand.

1. There is ONLY ONE GOD, do you know HIS name?

2. If you think there is three, please tell me their names!!!!

3. How many JESUS'S are there?

4. What JESUS am I following????

Not sure what church I go to has anything to do with me sharing HIS word.

LETS FACE THE FACTS YOU DON'T LIKE HIS WORD AND YOUR LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO POINT YOUR FINGERS AT SO YOU DON'T LOOK SO BAD.

Be great if you could answer my questions, IF YOU CAN'T YOUR THE PROBLEM.

4 questions, I will be waiting.

Just fyi, I've thought a lot about this subject and since scripture can't and doesn't conflict with or contradict scripture, nor dies scripture supersedeother scripture, I've concluded that both Matthew 28:19 and Acts 2:38 have to be right; and per your question regarding what is the name of God and the Holy Ghost, we don't know the names. So how is this rectified? My conclusion is, if both are correct and acceptable, what they both are really saying is, that it's by the authority of either the father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, or Jesus Christ, and naming names is not necessary. It's by the authority of, much like saying today, by the authority of the queen or king, etc. And if you look closely at the examples of immersions, nothing was actually said by the one baptizing another, nor is there anything scripturally required of anything actually to be said prior to immersion by the baptizer. Only the one being baptized is required to say anything as did the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8, wherein it's recorded the eunuch confessed his belief in Jesus Christ. This is also consistent with Romans 10:9-10, and further evidenced by what Saul was told to do in Acts 22:16, "calling on the name of the Lord". Just my opinion and observation.

 

[Blue155]

Matthew 26:28..Jesus shed His blood for many for the remission of sins.

What was shed for the remission of sins? Jesus’ blood.

Acts 2:38 repent and be baptized….for the remission of sins…

What happens when one repents and is baptized for the remission of sins? They are baptized in the name [by the authority] of Jesus [not of man, not by the authority of Peter], but of Christ, and they receive the remission of sins by His blood that He shed at the cross.

The soul-saving blood of Christ is applied when one obeys the gospel of Christ, as when one is baptized into His death [at His death is where His blood was shed] they are washed in His blood. That’s why Ananias told Paul [according to Paul himself], And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord (Acts 22:16).

Paul submitted and appealed to the gospel call of salvation (Acts 2:21, 38-39; 2 Thess. 2:14), and the Lord washed away his sins.

 

[Ouch]

Just fyi, I've thought a lot about this subject and since scripture can't and doesn't conflict with or contradict scripture, nor dies scripture supersedeother scripture, I've concluded that both Matthew 28:19 and Acts 2:38 have to be right; and per your question regarding what is the name of God and the Holy Ghost, we don't know the names. So how is this rectified? My conclusion is, if both are correct and acceptable, what they both are really saying is, that it's by the authority of either the father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, or Jesus Christ, and naming names is not necessary. It's by the authority of, much like saying today, by the authority of the queen or king, etc. And if you look closely at the examples of immersions, nothing was actually said by the one baptizing another, nor is there anything scripturally required of anything actually to be said prior to immersion by the baptizer. Only the one being baptized is required to say anything as did the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8, wherein it's recorded the eunuch confessed his belief in Jesus Christ. This is also consistent with Romans 10:9-10, and further evidenced by what Saul was told to do in Acts 22:16, "calling on the name of the Lord". Just my opinion and observation.

I will start this out with a very clear scripture.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

I understand, what does HIS word say we are to do when we ask for anything?

There has to be an explanation.

John 14:13-14
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

John 16:24 - Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

No where, will you see that in the titles of JESUS.

In Matthew 28:19 JESUS is speaking to HIS disciples who knew who HE was.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

So HIS disciples knew who HE was, did they disobey HIM when JESUS told them,

Matthew 28:18-19
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

What is "THE NAME OF"

Notice in verse 18 "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."

HIS disciples knew who HE was and OBEYED what HE told them to do.

look at this verse, John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

JESUS speaking while HES here on earth BUT HE'S IN HEAVEN ALSO.

HIS word is deep, we need to put all of the piece together and if they don't fit we are the one that is wrong.

In the year 325 the forerunners of the catholic church invented the trinity and if you didn't agree with they you were put to death.

So many people follow it today.

In Romans 10, if you read the whole chapter you will see Paul is speaking to one of the churches he started and he is telling his church to get out and preach, confess JESUS and they shall be saved.

He is not taking to the lost, but those who have been reborn proving that once saved always saved is not true.

In every recorded act of baptism it was done in JESUS name so what are we to do?

GOD BLESS you in your walk, we will NEVER know it all but need to stay humble.

 

[mailmandan]

Your going to have to help me, I don't understand.

I have tried to help you understand but your beliefs appear to be fixed due to your indoctrination.

1. There is ONLY ONE GOD, do you know HIS name?

ONE GOD in essence/nature. Is there another name you prefer?

2. If you think there is three, please tell me their names!!!!

Not three God's but ONE GOD in essence/nature in three distinct persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. (Genesis 1:26; Isaiah 9:6; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 10:30; 14:10, 26; 15:26; 16,17; Acts 5:3,4; Romans 8:11; 2 Corinthians 13:14; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8 etc..).

3. How many JESUS'S are there?

One Jesus in person who IS GOD in essence/nature. (John 1:1-5, 14)

4. What JESUS am I following????

A Jesus who is God the Father masquerading as Jesus who sent Himself as the Son, who obeyed Himself as the Father, offered himself as a sacrifice to himself as the Father, was raised by himself as both Father and Spirit, ascended to himself and sits at His own right hand as the Son of His Father who is himself, is mediator and intercessor between himself and man, and prayed to himself as the Father and sent himself as the Spirit from himself. Both present a God who masquerades as Jesus who speaks to himself, prays to himself, forsakes himself while on the cross, mediates for himself etc.. Such an irrational Jesus is "different" from the Jesus of the Bible (unique, one of a kind Son of God) who is God in essence/nature yet distinct in person from God the Father.

Not sure what church I go to has anything to do with me sharing HIS word.

It has everything to do with the false doctrine that you are teaching.

LETS FACE THE FACTS YOU DON'T LIKE HIS WORD AND YOUR LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO POINT YOUR FINGERS AT SO YOU DON'T LOOK SO BAD.

I ACTUALLY LOVE HIS WORD. I JUST DON'T LIKE FALSE DOCTRINE THAT RESULTS IN A FALSE GOSPEL.

Be great if you could answer my questions, IF YOU CAN'T YOUR THE PROBLEM.

You ask a lot of questions, and I have answered them before multiple times but it's like you don't hear a word I say.

4 questions, I will be waiting.

You're always asking questions and waiting only to have the answers go right over your head, then you ask more questions.
Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[Ouch]

I have tried to help you understand but your beliefs appear to be fixed due to your indoctrination.

ONE GOD in essence/nature. Is there another name you prefer?

Not three God's but ONE GOD in essence/nature in three distinct persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. (Genesis 1:26; Isaiah 9:6; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 10:30; 14:10, 26; 15:26; 16,17; Acts 5:3,4; Romans 8:11; 2 Corinthians 13:14; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8 etc..).

One Jesus in person who IS GOD in essence/nature. (John 1:1-5, 14)

A Jesus who is God the Father masquerading as Jesus who sent Himself as the Son, who obeyed Himself as the Father, offered himself as a sacrifice to himself as the Father, was raised by himself as both Father and Spirit, ascended to himself and sits at His own right hand as the Son of His Father who is himself, is mediator and intercessor between himself and man, and prayed to himself as the Father and sent himself as the Spirit from himself. Both present a God who masquerades as Jesus who speaks to himself, prays to himself, forsakes himself while on the cross, mediates for himself etc.. Such an irrational Jesus is "different" from the Jesus of the Bible (unique, one of a kind Son of God) who is God in essence/nature yet distinct in person from God the Father.

It has everything to do with the false doctrine that you are teaching.

I ACTUALLY LOVE HIS WORD. I JUST DON'T LIKE FALSE DOCTRINE THAT RESULTS IN A FALSE GOSPEL.

You ask a lot of questions, and I have answered them before multiple times but it's like you don't hear a word I say.

You're always asking questions and waiting only to have the answers go right over your head, then you ask more questions.
Wash, rinse, repeat.

So you don't know HIS name!!!

So there is "three distinct persons"

DO YOU KNOW THEIR NAMES?

"One Jesus in person who IS GOD in essence/nature. (John 1:1-5, 14)"

Now your saying JESUS IS GOD?????

"A Jesus who is God the Father masquerading as Jesus who sent Himself as the Son, who obeyed Himself as the Father, offered himself as a sacrifice to himself as the Father, was raised by himself as both Father and Spirit, ascended to himself and sits at His own right hand as the Son of His Father who is himself, is mediator and intercessor between himself and man, and prayed to himself as the Father and sent himself as the Spirit from himself. Both present a God who masquerades as Jesus who speaks to himself, prays to himself, forsakes himself while on the cross, mediates for himself etc.. Such an irrational Jesus is "different" from the Jesus of the Bible (unique, one of a kind Son of God) who is God in essence/nature yet distinct in person from God the Father."

Word salad, what are you saying??

I do agree, if you go to a church that teaches something other than HIS word is not good.

Tell me what have I said that goes against HIS word, AND WHAT HAVE I SAID MY CHURCH SAID????

What false doctrine????

So since I follow ALL of HIS word why don't you like what I say?

Have you ever told me WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO GET RID OF MY SINS ACCORDING TO HIS WORD?

Looks to me like I'm still waiting for answers!!!

 

[mailmandan]

So you don't know HIS name!!!

What name don't I know? You are always looking for that "gotcha" moment that never happens.

So there is "three distinct persons"

Yes, Father, Son and Holy Spirit which is the proper way to baptize. (Matthew 28:19)

DO YOU KNOW THEIR NAMES?

Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus is the (unique, one of a kind) Son of God.

"One Jesus in person who IS GOD in essence/nature. (John 1:1-5, 14)"

Amen! John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness and the darkness did not comprehend it.....14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Now your saying JESUS IS GOD?????

YES, HE IS! Are you going to accuse me of blasphemy like the Jews accused Jesus? John 10:30 - I and My Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” 33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

Word salad, what are you saying??

I explained it clearly. If it sounds like a word salad to you and what I said went right over your head, then you have a problem.

I do agree, if you go to a church that teaches something other than HIS word is not good.

Many churches teach from HIS word, but the problem is they TWIST HIS WORD to create false doctrine.

Tell me what have I said that goes against HIS word, AND WHAT HAVE I SAID MY CHURCH SAID????

What false doctrine????

How many times do I need to explain this? I'm getting tired of repeating myself.

So since I follow ALL of HIS word why don't you like what I say?

Teaching a different Jesus and a different gospel is not following all of His word. You are following the teachings of your church.

Have you ever told me WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO GET RID OF MY SINS ACCORDING TO HIS WORD?

Multiple times but the answer always ends up going right over your head and there is a reason for that.

Looks to me like I'm still waiting for answers!!!

I have given you answers but you just don't have ears to hear. You are ONLY interested in answers that you want to hear (which is not going to happen) so you will just have to keep waiting.

 

[Ouch]

What name don't I know? You are always looking for that "gotcha" moment that never happens.

Yes, Father, Son and Holy Spirit which is the proper way to baptize. (Matthew 28:19)

Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus is the (unique, one of a kind) Son of God.

Amen! John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness and the darkness did not comprehend it.....14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

YES, HE IS! Are you going to accuse me of blasphemy like the Jews accused Jesus? John 10:30 - I and My Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” 33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

I explained it clearly. If it sounds like a word salad to you and what I said went right over your head, then you have a problem.

Many churches teach from HIS word, but the problem is they TWIST HIS WORD to create false doctrine.

How many times do I need to explain this? I'm getting tired of repeating myself.

Teaching a different Jesus and a different gospel is not following all of His word. You are following the teachings of your church.

Multiple times but the answer always ends up going right over your head and there is a reason for that.

I have given you answers but you just don't have ears to hear. You are ONLY interested in answers that you want to hear (which is not going to happen) so you will just have to keep waiting.

Did I get you? Your the one who said it!!!

LOL, so Matthew 28:19 PROVES THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS????

Father is a name?
Son is a name?
The Holy Ghost is a name, NOW I UNDERSTAND.

You share John 1:1 DO YOU SEE NOW what HIS name is???

"YES, HE IS! Are you going to accuse me of blasphemy like the Jews accused Jesus? John 10:30 - I and My Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” 33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”"

DUDE, YOU NEED TO MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!

You are saying there is three then your saying there is one, which one is it???

No that was word salad.

I agree with some churches twist, THAT IS WHY I SHARE HIS WORD ONLY, YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT MY CHURCH TEACHES.

Like I said, show me where I shared what my church teaches.

"Teaching a different Jesus and a different gospel is not following all of His word. You are following the teachings of your church."

Prove I shared anything else THAN HIS WORD AND HIS GOSPEL.

So you have shared how to get rid of our sins? Acts 2:38. 22:16 I MUST HAVE MISSED IT, SORRY.

So who is the one who can't hear??

Can you tell me is there ONE GOD or THREE??

Did you share Acts 2:38, 22:16??

 

[mailmandan]

Did I get you? Your the one who said it!!!

LOL, so Matthew 28:19 PROVES THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS????

Father is a name?
Son is a name?
The Holy Ghost is a name, NOW I UNDERSTAND.

You share John 1:1 DO YOU SEE NOW what HIS name is???

"YES, HE IS! Are you going to accuse me of blasphemy like the Jews accused Jesus? John 10:30 - I and My Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” 33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”"

DUDE, YOU NEED TO MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!

You are saying there is three then your saying there is one, which one is it???

No that was word salad.

I agree with some churches twist, THAT IS WHY I SHARE HIS WORD ONLY, YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT MY CHURCH TEACHES.

Like I said, show me where I shared what my church teaches.

"Teaching a different Jesus and a different gospel is not following all of His word. You are following the teachings of your church."

Prove I shared anything else THAN HIS WORD AND HIS GOSPEL.

So you have shared how to get rid of our sins? Acts 2:38. 22:16 I MUST HAVE MISSED IT, SORRY.

So who is the one who can't hear??

Can you tell me is there ONE GOD or THREE??

Did you share Acts 2:38, 22:16??

I have explained the truth to you numerous times now but you still just don't get it. You seem to be thoroughly indoctrinated and unteachable (at least for now) but with God, all things are possible. Seeds have been planted and I will continue to pray for you.

 

[Genez]

Your going to have to help me, I don't understand.

1. There is ONLY ONE GOD, do you know HIS name?

God has names according to his manifested function to man.

If God is to be as a man to men? "Jesus."

Jesus is the Father being manifested to us in a manner that we can relate to readily as men.

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Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? ​

Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John 14:9​

If Jesus were not God being manifested as a man, and expressing God in a manner that men can identify with?
No one could see God!

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God ​

and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. John 1:18​

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