Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Genez]

Yet you believe that a one time temporary act of faith with no root will save a person.

God does the saving.
Saves when we indicate that we are what he wants to save...

Its like picking apples.
The rotten ones we do not pick.

Did the apple use it's volition to rot? No.

The drawing of God is like giving invisible rain and sunshine to all.
Negative souls will not ripen for God to pick.
They will drop, and then rot.
They find themselves repulsed by water and light because they do not like it, and prefer to stay hidden in darkness.

In contrast....

Positive souls respond to rain and sunshine.
They prefer sunshine and rain, and openly welcome it.
Those ones God will continue ripen in His drawing.
They are just responding positively to the essence of God.

When completed? God harvests.

None of us knew it was God drawing us until after we were saved.
We just approved of the God's essence of invisible sunshine and rain.

So? How could that mean we decided to get saved when we had no idea that salvation was real?
We simply liked what God exposed of Himself to us, without us knowing it was God.

Without us knowing what was going on God plucked us off the tree, and placed us in a golden crate.

He did not think we were worthy to be saved just because of who and what we were.
We simply responded in a positive way to something God was exposing us to (without us even knowing it was God)
when He was drawing us.

And, after noting how we consistently responded positively to his essence?
God determined that soul He would ripen for harvest...

We do not choose to be saved.
We simply felt positive to what God was exposing us to from his essence unawares
without us even knowing it was God. Yes, some souls will find God's essence to be not positive.

Finally.. To Harvest what has been prepared and made ready for Harvest?
God then reveals His physical manifestation as seen in Christ.
We simply follow though with our desire for more rain and sunshine.

Saved.

 

[Genez]

Obfuscation motivated by malicious intent...

He is malicious.
Might as well say it.
Its bigotry.

 

[HeIsHere]

No. My objection is you, and those like you, have convinced people they are saved when they are not.

And no, I can't see into someone's heart. But I can and do form relationships with those I share the gospel with.

Read carefully:

 

[Magenta]

Genez reminds me of hardened Type in there beliefs who just won't listen to anyone, but with a twist sadly he places himself higher than God, I mean how can anyone demand they won't apologise until they receive an apology from God,

You would only expect that behaviour and those comments from someone in rebellion.

And Hebrew roots. Don't forget to include them in your list of smug self-satisfied types. They mix thousands of years of uninspired rabbinic writings in with Scripture and want us accept their interpretations of things based on a bunch of mishmash that they call midrash, as if it were on a par with inspired writings.

 

[Rufus]

Rufus....

There is one in every group.
And, you are the one.

Well, Einstein, to whom did Christ give the Kingdom when he took it away from national Israel?

 

[Jordon]

And Hebrew roots. Don't forget to include them in your list of smug self-satisfied types. They mix thousands of years of uninspired rabbinic writings in with Scripture and want us accept their interpretations of things based on a bunch of mishmash that they call midrash, as if it were on a par with inspired writings.

yeah I think rash is word for them
Genez should change his name to rasher the basher

 

[Magenta]

yeah I think rash is word for them
Genez should change his name to rasher the basher

I was gonna say, mishmash goulash, but goulash is actually tasty, and what they serve up is foul.

 

[Cameron143]

Read carefully:

More meme theology.
Now direct answers to questions is moving the goalposts.

 

[Jackson129]

Apparently, you have never read the Parable of the Banquet (Lk 14:15-24). I suppose the first group of people who were sincerely invited received phony, false invitations?

Didn't they CHOOSE not to go?

 

[Jordon]

Read carefully:

we have to keep changing the position as you blindly keep running into them head first.

 

[Rufus]

That is a question that sits atop your precariously stacked pile of .

The Lord Jesus Christ died for all. This is the foundation you lack.

For your info, God is a covenant-making God who loves his people with a covenant of love! So...if Jesus died for all w/o exception in the world, then there must be a redemptive covenant somewhere in scripture that God made with all mankind w/o exception!

 

[Rufus]

Didn't they CHOOSE not to go?

Have I ever said differently! They chose according to their SELF-love sin nature? But what do you think about the other two groups in that parable?

 

[Genez]

You're right.

I should probably join your gang, that believes you are smarter in understanding the Bible, more moral, and basically just better people than those that DON'T believe and accept Jesus Christ!

Otherwise, tell us WHY YOU chose Jesus, and THEY DIDN'T?

Are you wiser? More moral? a better person than they?

I'd really like to know.

I did not choose Jesus to be saved.
I could not know it was real.

But, I had been positive to God revealing His essence to me in His drawing of me.
I did not even know what it was that God was exposing me to while being drawn.
I just knew I wished it were real.

God saves those who are positive in response to His essence.
Those who respond positively while he brings us into the realm of being able to sense things about god, (his drawing), done without us knowing it is God.

When God determines someone is ready?
That is when we are shown the physical manifestation of who and what He is.
Jesus Christ!

Since we were proven by God to be positive to His essence?
Being drawn and handed over to Jesus is the moment we can attach something tangible to what so intrigued us in love while being drawn.

So, when seeing Jesus portrayed in the Gospels? It is having the invisible essence suddenly materialize into our physically perceived world of tangible living.

We don't simply choose to believe.
Matter of fact.
I almost felt Jesus was too good to be true.

He understands our confusion, and saves us to show us He is real.

 

[Jackson129]

For your info, God is a covenant-making God who loves his people with a covenant of love! So...if Jesus died for all w/o exception in the world, then there must be a redemptive covenant somewhere in scripture that God made with all mankind w/o exception!

Pretty sure John 3-16 qualifies

 

[Jordon]

I was gonna say, mishmash goulash, but goulash is actually tasty, and what they serve up is foul.

I know it's yuckerism, there definitely in the utterly buttery league, not knowing which side of the bread there buttered on

It would just be nice if they could actually confess anything we say.

It just seems to be a thread for who's got the best insult in there book .
The amount of truths they once haven't acknowledged is truly unbelievable.

 

[sawdust]

For your info, God is a covenant-making God who loves his people with a covenant of love! So...if Jesus died for all w/o exception in the world, then there must be a redemptive covenant somewhere in scripture that God made with all mankind w/o exception!

The covenant to die for all was made between Father and Son, no-one else.

 

[Rufus]

I did not choose Jesus to be saved.
I could not know it was real.

But, I had been positive to God revealing His essence to me in His drawing of me.
I did not even know what it was that God was exposing me to while being drawn.
I just knew I wished it were real.

God saves those who are positive in response to His essence.
Those who respond positively while he brings us into the realm of being able to sense things about god, (his drawing), done without us knowing it is God.

When God determines someone is ready?
That is when we are shown the physical manifestation of who and what He is.
Jesus Christ!

Since we were proven by God to be positive to His essence?
Being drawn and handed over to Jesus is the moment we can attach something tangible to what so intrigued us in love while being drawn.

So, when seeing Jesus portrayed in the Gospels? It is having the invisible essence suddenly materialize into our physically perceived world of tangible living.

We don't simply choose to believe.
Matter of fact.
I almost felt Jesus was too good to be true.

He understands our confusion, and saves us to show us He is real.

God saves his sheep, his friends, his covenant people, his Church and gives his saving grace to only the humble.

 

[Jordon]

I did not choose Jesus to be saved.
I could not know it was real.

But, I had been positive to God revealing His essence to me in His drawing of me.
I did not even know what it was that God was exposing me to while being drawn.
I just knew I wished it were real.

God saves those who are positive in response to His essence.
Those who respond positively while he brings us into the realm of being able to sense things about god, (his drawing), done without us knowing it is God.

When God determines someone is ready?
That is when we are shown the physical manifestation of who and what He is.
Jesus Christ!

Since we were proven by God to be positive to His essence?
Being drawn and handed over to Jesus is the moment we can attach something tangible to what so intrigued us in love while being drawn.

So, when seeing Jesus portrayed in the Gospels? It is having the invisible essence suddenly materialize into our physically perceived world of tangible living.

We don't simply choose to believe.
Matter of fact.
I almost felt Jesus was too good to be true.

He understands our confusion, and saves us to show us He is real.

and I see you never apologized once again

 

[cv5]

I'd settle for 1 verse. I'm in honors courses.

I am not the least bit surprised that you haven't the slightest Biblically valid grasp of the Jericho episode.

In fact I was expecting exactly that.
And I am ALWAYS expecting exactly that from team Calvin.....

 

[Rufus]

The covenant to die for all was made between Father and Son, no-one else.

While the Father did make a covenant with his Son, that covenant is called the ETERNAL New Covenant, which God also made with Israel! So, get busy and find in scripture this other covenant you think God made with the Son and tell us what the stipulations are.