For the #3 description of the forbidden fruit.
It makes a person wise.
Why God the Father doesn't want to make a person wise?
What is wrong for being a wise when it comes to the words of God?
Why God the Father considered this fruit as forbidden?
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For the #3 description of the forbidden fruit.
It makes a person wise.
Why God the Father doesn't want to make a person wise?
What is wrong for being a wise when it comes to the words of God?
Nothing is wrong with being wise when it comes to the word of God. But God's word (spoken) had forbidden Adam and Eve from eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, so however good it looked, and whatever wisdom-giving qualities it had, God had said, "Do not eat it." They did not need to eat the fruit to understand that simple command. We all try to justify our sins by telling ourselves that they will bring good, but if it is sin, we should not do it.
If we will use our own understanding, there is no wrong for being wise. But for the Lord Jesus being a wise would not save your soul.
According to the Lord Jesus, wise people could not know what is the truth.
MATTHEW 11:25
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
When it comes to the words of God and when it comes to God or to spiritual matters. Who are the wise?
Again you have misunderstood what the text is saying. Jesus is not telling us that wise people “could not know the truth”.
Lord Jesus revealed who are the wise in his time (we are referring to spiritual matters only).
They are the Scribes & the Pharisees because their wisdom in the words of God is a foolishness unto God.
1 COTINTHIANS 1:20
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
The scribes and the pharisees, with a exceptions such as Nicodemus, were not spiritually wise. In fact you say that Jesus reveals who the wise are in his time, but then you say that their wisdom was foolishness to God. Jesus, who is fully God, knew that.
In your own opinion if Scribes & Pharisees are not wise, then who were the wise during that time?
Remember Scribes & Pharisees were the religious leaders of sect whom followed by Saul of Tarsus (Paul)
Paul who confessed that he became wise once when he was a Pharisee.
But when he was chosen by Lord Jesus he considered his knowledge & wisdom from man as dung.
PHILLIPIANS 3:7-8
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
In that passage, Paul said nothing about having been wise.
In your previous post, you made it clear that you thought the scribes and Pharisees were spiritually wise, but Scripture doesn’t say that.
You would likely avoid much disagreement by reading the text more carefully.
Pertaining to Spiritual matters, there are only two kinds of people to choose from.
One is of God and the other is not of God.
In Matthew 11:25:
One is Babe
The other is Wise & Prudent.
If Scribes & Pharisees are not Wise & Prudent then you believe they are Babes.
In 1 Corinthians 1:20.
Despite the fact that Lord Jesus made Wise, Scribes & Disputer of this World even. And still you are on their side.
No wonder why you are always in the side of Scribes & Pharisees which are not of God.
Because you have the same character with them (John 8:54-55).
Despite what the Lord Jesus said to them in the SCRIPTURE in John 8:44 and in the entire chapter of Matthew 23.
You still depending them.
the scribes and Pharisees were spiritually wise, but Scripture doesn’t say that.
Then you are asking for a proof base on scripture.
What do you call about Matthew 11:25, 1 Corinthians 1:20, John 8:44 & Matthew chapter 23?
What Lord Jesus exposing about you now is Satan who is using scripture.
MATTHEW 4:6
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
What Satan said to Jesus is really written in the scripture.
PSALM 91:11-12
11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
It looks like you are also using the scripture to deceive.
Matthew 11:25 says:
“At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.” (Mt 11:25 NKJV)
He was referring to the worldly wise and prudent, and talking of those who followed Him as babes. Just two verses later, we read:
““All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.” (Mt 11:27 NKJV)
With only a few exceptions like Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus, we don't read of the Scribes and Pharisees having the father revealed to them by the Son.
You are in error yet again because you wrongly assumed Jesus was talking about spiritual wisdom and now you’re wrongly assuming that “babes” and “wise and prudent” correspond directly with “of God” and “not of God”. They don’t.
You would do well to focus on discussing Scripture rather than persisting with your ignorant and misguided comments about me.
You would also do well to learn and avoid employing circular reasoning.
You would do well to focus on discussing Scripture rather than persisting with your ignorant and misguided comments about me.
You're are asking me to focus on discussing scripture. What kind of scripture are you looking for. By means of the scripture or to the truth in the words of God, you've been continue to expose by the scripture.
First you failed the test and so there is no truth in you.
Without any truth within you, you are spiritually blind. Despite of that you still keep on teaching.
If no one agrees to you then it's time for you to show your attitude by criticizing them.
You have the same attitude as the Scribes & Pharisees. Because they were being exposed with the truth in the words of God by Lord Jesus and they were angry until they put him into death.
But the Lord Jesus in his 2nd role as Son of the living God, he never get mad to them. Instead he ask his Father to forgive them.
LUKE 23:34
34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
This is what he expect to his brethren. To follow his steps.
1 PETER 2:21
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
And so Stephen being the follower of Christ he did what Jesus showed.
ACTS 7:59-60
59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
This is how they fulfill the commandment of God.
LUKE 6:27
27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
Now you are being exposed again by the Scripture that you are not a follower of Christ.
But you have the same character and attitude as the Scribes & Pharisees who stoned Stephen because they don't want to hear the truth.
ACTS 7:
57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
This the the truth in the Scripture that you want to be discussed.
It is not me who is avoiding the truth but it is you who don't want to hear the truth. You are like Saul & company.
This is a part of the Scripture. That is why in the Scripture Lord Jesus exposed those who pretending or believing they are of God like the Scribes & Pharisees.
I know your next comment is to depend Scribes & Pharisees with the same attitude like yours.
You waste your time with your persistent misguided assumptions about me. Obviously you get some warped pleasure from it and have no real interest in discussing Scripture.
Remember that the Lord Jesus gave a time to expose those who are not of God. He did not consider it as wasting of time because it serves as warning to the Jews. He doesn't want the Jews to be a victim of false Prophets.
Even now it is not wasting of time to expose you by the words of God in truth as you say scripture.
This is to warn all readers in this forum.
Because even the false Prophets are using the scripture to deceive people.
Even the Devil too.
MATTHEW 4:6
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
And it is really written
PSALM 91:11-12
11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
As we know Scribes & Pharisees are belong to different groups who believes in holy bible (Old Testament).
They combined their forces just to ruin Jesus Christ.
If Scribes & Pharisees are not belong in 1 church only so they have their own standard for good & evil.
Although their basis of salvation is the words of God in the Old Testament. They were rebuked by Lord Jesus Christ because they don't know who God the Father is.
JOHN 8:41,54-55
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
Because Scribes & Pharisees never know God the Father. So even they address God as their Father, but to Jesus their Father is not God but the Devil.
JOHN 8:44
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
This is what God the Father said for those people like Scribes & Pharisees, even their basis of salvation is the words of God, but they don't know who God the Father is, they are foolish and they are wise, wise to do evil.
JEREMIAH 4:22
22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
He was referring to the worldly wise and prudent, and talking of those who followed Him as babes.
Kindly elaborate more on what you mean.
As I understand with what you say, Scribes & Pharisees are not wise and prudent.
Correct me if my understanding is wrong.
Sorry, I must have misunderstood your post where you wrote: "If Scribes & Pharisees are not Wise & Prudent then you believe they are Babes." I thought you were saying that the Scribes & Pharisees must have been wise, because they certainly were not the "babes" to whom Christ revealed Himself.
If Jesus in his time saw the same scenario as Noah.
MATTHEW 24:38-39
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Who will believe that in the New Testament Jesus saw the same scenario in the garden of Eden when Eve ate the forbidden fruit?
The scenario in the Old Testament, there is Garden of Eden where the 3 kinds of trees planted by God the Father.
Namely:
Tree #1: PLEASANT TO THE SIGHT AND GOOD FOR FOOD.
Tree #1: TREE OF LIFE
Tree #3: TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL.
MATTHEW 24:38-39
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Who will believe that in the New Testament Jesus saw the same scenario in the garden of Eden when Eve ate the forbidden fruit?
The scenario in the Old Testament, there is Garden of Eden where the 3 kinds of trees planted by God the Father.
Namely:
Tree #1: PLEASANT TO THE SIGHT AND GOOD FOR FOOD.
Tree #1: TREE OF LIFE
Tree #3: TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL.
You’re addressing two unrelated things here.
The woman said that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was “pleasant to the sight and good for food”, so you have incorrectly distinguished #1 from #3.