77 Changed Doctrines in Modern Bibles

[NightTwister]

So you think everyone had the Hebrew Scriptures not long after when the Torah by Moses was written under the inspiration of the Spirit?

Tough luck for the rest of those other nations out in the world that did not know Hebrew or have a translated copy of the Torah?

We've been over this many times before. You use circular reason and misuse scripture to "prove" your point, which you never actually do. Grace and Peace.

 

[Dino246]

I assure you, there was no ill will or malice intended.
It was entirely in good fun.

If we can’t share a little lighthearted humor with one another now and then, I think something’s amiss.
But I love you and NightTwister in Christ, even though I may not love the belief.

Your continued use of inappropriately emotional language has rendered my appreciation for your sense of humour nonexistent.

You did it to yourself.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

So expecting people to understand archaic English is “loving”? What colour is the sky in your world?

Uh, that is rich, considering the Critical Text side often appeals to the original languages to correct their English Bibles, yet most of them do not know those languages well enough to do so. Hebrew and Greek are far more difficult to master than a few uncommon words in the KJV.

Granted, I am a strong advocate for the original languages underlying the KJV, but I am not out to correct my English Bible or invent one that exists only in my own mind. If I were in your camp, my Bible (existing only in my own mind) would differ from the one imagined by the next eclectic minded believer. Hence, there is no real authority or standard of God's Word. Different Bibles with different teachings means a different faith and also offers confusion, and God is not the Author of confusion.



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[Bible_Highlighter]

We've been over this many times before. You use circular reason and misuse scripture to "prove" your point, which you never actually do. Grace and Peace.

That really does not address my point I made about others not having the Hebrew Scriptures translated into their languages back in the time of Moses when he was alive. God is sovereign, right?




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[Bible_Highlighter]

Your continued use of inappropriately emotional language has rendered my appreciation for your sense of humour nonexistent.

You did it to yourself.

You are entitled to feel that way. Humor does not always translate well online for some.
Still, no hard feelings on my end.
I would rather keep the conversation cordial than let tone get in the way of truth.

May the Lord Jesus Christ bless you beyond all imagining.


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[NightTwister]

That really does not address my point I made about others not having the Hebrew Scriptures translated into their languages back in the time of Moses when he was alive. God is sovereign, right?

I have no intent to address your point. Grace and Peace.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

I have no intent to address your point. Grace and Peace.

Grace and peace.
May the Lord Jesus bless you greatly this fine day.



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[TheLearner]

So if that is the case, then I should treat everyone in the Modern Bible Movement as having the same interpretation on the same verse, too. In other words, I can turn the tables and play this same game with you too if you like.

For example:

1. Dan Wallace’s View on Luke 23:34a:

Dan Wallace clearly questions the authenticity of Luke 23:34a.

“The external evidence for its omission is significant, and the internal evidence is even stronger. Although this saying is consistent with Jesus’ character, it is probably not part of the original text of Luke.”
— Daniel B. Wallace, Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics (Zondervan, 1996), p. 52 n.22

He also repeats this view online:

“The prayer, ‘Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing,’ is found in some important manuscripts but lacking in others of equal or greater weight… It’s likely a later addition.”
— Dan Wallace, Bible.org, article titled “The Textual Problem in Luke 23:34,” published 2007
(https://bible.org/article/textual-problem-luke-2334)

So, Wallace’s stance:
He believes Luke 23:34a is likely not original, calling it an interpolation added later by scribes.


2. James White’s View on Luke 23:34a:

James White defends the authenticity of Luke 23:34.
In his debates and writings, he often emphasizes that while the verse is missing in a few early Alexandrian witnesses, it is supported by the overwhelming majority of Greek manuscripts and early versions.

“The text of Luke 23:34 is found in the vast majority of manuscripts. The minority omission does not call for its removal. There is no reason to doubt that these words were truly spoken by our Lord.”
— James R. White, The King James Only Controversy, Revised Edition (Bethany House, 2009), p. 269

He also said in his 2016 Dividing Line broadcast:

“I believe Jesus did say those words. The evidence of omission is very limited compared to the wide range of manuscripts that contain it.”

So, James White’s stance:
He affirms Luke 23:34 as genuine and should remain in Scripture.


So to put it to you another way (speaking of Critical Text Advocates):

"Y'all need to get your stories straight."



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There is proof of it being genuine in the church fathers.

 

[TheLearner]

So if that is the case, then I should treat everyone in the Modern Bible Movement as having the same interpretation on the same verse, too. In other words, I can turn the tables and play this same game with you too if you like.

For example:

1. Dan Wallace’s View on Luke 23:34a:

Dan Wallace clearly questions the authenticity of Luke 23:34a.

“The external evidence for its omission is significant, and the internal evidence is even stronger. Although this saying is consistent with Jesus’ character, it is probably not part of the original text of Luke.”
— Daniel B. Wallace, Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics (Zondervan, 1996), p. 52 n.22

He also repeats this view online:

“The prayer, ‘Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing,’ is found in some important manuscripts but lacking in others of equal or greater weight… It’s likely a later addition.”
— Dan Wallace, Bible.org, article titled “The Textual Problem in Luke 23:34,” published 2007
(https://bible.org/article/textual-problem-luke-2334)

So, Wallace’s stance:
He believes Luke 23:34a is likely not original, calling it an interpolation added later by scribes.


2. James White’s View on Luke 23:34a:

James White defends the authenticity of Luke 23:34.
In his debates and writings, he often emphasizes that while the verse is missing in a few early Alexandrian witnesses, it is supported by the overwhelming majority of Greek manuscripts and early versions.

“The text of Luke 23:34 is found in the vast majority of manuscripts. The minority omission does not call for its removal. There is no reason to doubt that these words were truly spoken by our Lord.”
— James R. White, The King James Only Controversy, Revised Edition (Bethany House, 2009), p. 269

He also said in his 2016 Dividing Line broadcast:

“I believe Jesus did say those words. The evidence of omission is very limited compared to the wide range of manuscripts that contain it.”

So, James White’s stance:
He affirms Luke 23:34 as genuine and should remain in Scripture.


So to put it to you another way (speaking of Critical Text Advocates):

"Y'all need to get your stories straight."



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https://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.com/2018/03/father-forgive-them-variant-in-luke.html


It was not, by and large, a happy time for Jewish-Christian relations. And the impact of the polemics made itself felt on the transcription of the early Christian texts. The famous Codex Bezae (designated as manuscript D; even though it is from around 400 CE, it appears to embody a form of the text from at least the second century) is one of our earliest manuscripts to omit the prayer of Jesus from the cross in Luke 23:34: “Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” There are indeed compelling reasons for thinking that the verse was original to Luke and that its exclusion came as a result of second-century polemic against Jews (the shorter text is already found in the early third-century P75). The verse (found only in Luke) coincides perfectly with Luke’s own portrayal of Jesus as calm and in control in the face of his death, more concerned with the fate of others than himself; it shows Jesus in prayer, a distinctive emphasis of Luke, long recognized; the prayer itself embodies the motif of “ignorance”, a notion used throughout Luke-Acts to account for Jesus’ unlawful execution.[ii] (This preceding argument is meant to show that it is likely that Luke himself wrote the verse, that it did not originate with a scribe inserting it into the text.)
https://ehrmanblog.org/did-jesus-pray-father-forgive-them-from-the-cross/

https://christianapologistsea.wordp...from-a-christian-in-support-of-dr-john-oakes/

 

[TheLearner]

thanks all interresting discussssion shouldrr painnnn

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

So if that is the case, then I should treat everyone in the Modern Bible Movement as having the same interpretation on the same verse, too. In other words, I can turn the tables and play this same game with you too if you like.

For example:

1. Dan Wallace’s View on Luke 23:34a:

Dan Wallace clearly questions the authenticity of Luke 23:34a.

“The external evidence for its omission is significant, and the internal evidence is even stronger. Although this saying is consistent with Jesus’ character, it is probably not part of the original text of Luke.”
— Daniel B. Wallace, Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics (Zondervan, 1996), p. 52 n.22

He also repeats this view online:

“The prayer, ‘Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing,’ is found in some important manuscripts but lacking in others of equal or greater weight… It’s likely a later addition.”
— Dan Wallace, Bible.org, article titled “The Textual Problem in Luke 23:34,” published 2007
(https://bible.org/article/textual-problem-luke-2334)

So, Wallace’s stance:
He believes Luke 23:34a is likely not original, calling it an interpolation added later by scribes.


2. James White’s View on Luke 23:34a:

James White defends the authenticity of Luke 23:34.
In his debates and writings, he often emphasizes that while the verse is missing in a few early Alexandrian witnesses, it is supported by the overwhelming majority of Greek manuscripts and early versions.

“The text of Luke 23:34 is found in the vast majority of manuscripts. The minority omission does not call for its removal. There is no reason to doubt that these words were truly spoken by our Lord.”
— James R. White, The King James Only Controversy, Revised Edition (Bethany House, 2009), p. 269

He also said in his 2016 Dividing Line broadcast:

“I believe Jesus did say those words. The evidence of omission is very limited compared to the wide range of manuscripts that contain it.”

So, James White’s stance:
He affirms Luke 23:34 as genuine and should remain in Scripture.


So to put it to you another way (speaking of Critical Text Advocates):

"Y'all need to get your stories straight."



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Actually, I did some more digging and double checking what I said. This is not true. James White is also against Luke 23:34 KJV reading "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." It was 1 Timothy 3:16 reading "God was manifest in the flesh" KJV reading that James White supports, and not Luke 23:34.

Here are the sources:

https://www.aomin.org/aoblog/textua...m-for-they-do-not-know-what-they-are-doing-2/

https://www.aomin.org/aoblog/textual-issues/i-just-could-not-resist/


Sorry about that folks.
ChatGPT lied to me.
I think I am going to stick more with Perplexity for Ai searches, seeing it gives sources, etc.
Anyway, may God bless you all.



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[Follower777]

Here is a Biblical description / mentioning, of the last days, prophetic / spiritual Church, the Body of Christ;
Rev. 14: 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You REALLY have to be careful, which Bible version you use. The Roman Church has corrupted many of the "modern" Bible versions, like the NIV ... which says, ( in many Bible references )" ... the faith IN Jesus" rather than the "faith OF Jesus" of the KJV. The changing of this one little word, becomes a salvational issue. It's because of Jesus' Faith and our having the same Faith as Jesus had, that we are able return to being Children of God.
By NO other way, ... The Way of Jesus ( and His Faith ) ... " The Way the Truth, the Life."

Do a Bible search of the NIV, compared to the KJV on this issue .. and you can see an " Antichrist agenda " for this corruption of Truth.
Blessings Brother.

Y'all need to get your stories straight.

Also, when it comes to this discussion, it goes beyond having a different interpretation of the same verse (Which happens even in the Modern Bible Movement). The Critical Text was never used by church history for any good length of time, nor was it a part of the Reformation, etc. It was a new Sham Wow Bible that appeared overnight by Westcott, Hort, Unitarian George Vance Smith, & others, which keeps shape-shifting and will never stop shape-shifting. In addition, the doctrines in the Critical Text are heretical and silly. (Which my PDF demonstrates) The translation differences (which are many) and the textual differences are bad when compared to the TR / KJV. This is just a fact that you and others here will have to deal with someday.....

Spot on ! Brother Bible_Highlighter
Saying ... "a fact that you and others here will have to deal with someday." ~~~> And that "someday" is TODAY !

The Roman Catholic Church ~~> Rev 13:3 "And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast."

"Critical Text" or "Westcott, Hort" text was based primarily on the Codex Vaticanus (B) and Codex Sinaiticus (Aleph), two ancient manuscripts discovered in the 19th century. Some sources claim that Westcott and Hort's work was influenced by Roman Catholic manuscripts and aligned with Catholic teachings." "The Westcott and Hort text became the foundation for modern Bible translations."

Regrettably, the NIV follows this same tradition of corruption. This is not just innocent, translational error, but planned & malicious, doctrinal corruption to promote a False Christ and support the False Prophets understanding of Scripture, the corruption of ...
The Word, = the Righteousness of Christ, the Faith OF Jesus ... Rev 14:12 KJV ( as apposed to the NIV " faith IN Jesus )

WHAT & WHO, is a false prophet.
A person cannot reliably distinguish false Christs and false prophets without the help of the Holy Spirit. While human effort—such as studying scripture, testing teachings against the Bible (1 John 4:1-3), and examining the fruits of a teacher (Matthew 7:15-20)—is essential, these efforts depend on the Holy Spirit’s guidance to achieve true discernment.

1 Corinthians 2:14 states that spiritual truths, including the discernment of false prophets, are “spiritually discerned” and inaccessible to the “natural man” without the Spirit.

John 16:13 further confirms that the Holy Spirit guides believers into all truth, which includes identifying false teachings.

1 John 4:1-3 calls to “try the spirits” implies an active role for believers, but the ability to recognize the Spirit of God versus the spirit of antichrist relies on divine enlightenment, as human reasoning alone can be deceived by subtle errors or miraculous signs.

Matthew 24:24 "24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. "

Here are traits, (spiritually discerned, with the help of the Holy Spirit) of a genuine Christian as apposed to a "pretentious" Christian
( False Christian / Prophet )

Galatians 2:20 – “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me…”
Indwelling of Christ – the believer’s life is no longer self‑directed; Christ’s life governs thoughts, motives, and actions.
A genuine Christian will exhibit a Christ‑centered character—love, humility, obedience, and a desire to glorify God.

2 Corinthians 5:17 – “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature…” ( Christ‑Centered Life)
New Creation – the old sinful nature is broken; the new nature bears fruit of the Spirit. Look for the fruit of the Spirit
“The true disciple is one who has the Spirit of Christ dwelling within him, and his life is a testimony of that indwelling.” (EGW - The Ministry of Healing, p. 254)

(Gal 5:22‑23). A false prophet may profess faith but lacks these evidences. ( Fruit of the Spirit )
“The presence of the Spirit is proved by the fruit that springs forth—love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance.” (EGW -The Desire of Ages, p. 282)

1 John 4:1 – “...test the spirits whether they are of God…” & 1 Tim 4:1‑2 ( Sound Doctrine )
Testing the Spirits – discernment is commanded.
The test is doctrine (truth of the gospel) and fruit (life‑producing holiness).
“False teachers will try to corrupt the plain truths of the gospel; the true believer holds fast to the simple, clear teachings of Scripture.” (EGW- Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 218)

2 Peter 2:1‑3 – “There were false prophets…who shall bring in damnable heresies…”
Deceptive Teaching – false prophets introduce doctrines contrary to the gospel.
Examine whether the teaching adds to or subtracts from the core gospel of Christ’s atonement.

Matthew 7:15‑20 – “Beware of false prophets…by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Humility & Obedience)
External Evidence – a prophet’s teachings must align with Scripture, and his life must produce godly fruit.
Consistency with Scripture and a holy lifestyle separate true believers from impostors.
“True prophets are humbled, ever ready to submit to God’s will, whereas false prophets are proud and self‑promoting.” (The Ministry of Healing, p. 254)

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
(= Lawlessness ( man of lawlessness) = disobedience)( e.g. observing Sunday, rather than God's Sabbath )

1 Timothy 4:1‑2 – “...there shall be divers [false] teachers…some shall depart from the faith…”
Departure from Sound Doctrine – false teachers twist the gospel.
True Christians cling to sound doctrine (the whole counsel of God.

2 Timothy  3:16‑17 ~ 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: ( Consistency with the Whole Counsel of God )
“A true Christian’s teaching will never contradict the great truths already revealed in Scripture; any deviation signals deception.” (Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 218)

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, That you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one to another. ( Love for the Brethren ) & God (Matt 22:37)
“The mark of a true disciple is love toward fellow believers; false teachers sow division and discord.” (The Desire of Ages, p. 282)

~~ Blessed Sabbath Folks ~~
Ba

 

[DeanM]

Spot on ! Brother Bible_Highlighter
Saying ... "a fact that you and others here will have to deal with someday." ~~~> And that "someday" is TODAY !

The Roman Catholic Church ~~> Rev 13:3 "And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast."

"Critical Text" or "Westcott, Hort" text was based primarily on the Codex Vaticanus (B) and Codex Sinaiticus (Aleph), two ancient manuscripts discovered in the 19th century. Some sources claim that Westcott and Hort's work was influenced by Roman Catholic manuscripts and aligned with Catholic teachings." "The Westcott and Hort text became the foundation for modern Bible translations."

Regrettably, the NIV follows this same tradition of corruption. This is not just innocent, translational error, but planned & malicious, doctrinal corruption to promote a False Christ and support the False Prophets understanding of Scripture, the corruption of ...
The Word, = the Righteousness of Christ, the Faith OF Jesus ... Rev 14:12 KJV ( as apposed to the NIV " faith IN Jesus )


~~ Blessed Sabbath Folks ~~
Ba

The counter reformation was in full gallop at the time of the "discoveries" and publishing of the now accepted new translations. Odd how people refuse to connect the dots.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

The counter reformation was in full gallop at the time of the "discoveries" and publishing of the now accepted new translations. Odd how people refuse to connect the dots.

There are many quotes from the 1800s showing that believers viewed the King James Bible as the perfect Word of God in English. I will be including several of these quotes in my upcoming free PDF titled “177 Reasons for the KJV Being the Pure Word of God for Today,” which will be available on my website, www.affectionsabove.com.

Before its release, I need to finish a few things first. I need to completely rework an in-depth and complex write-up for a brother in Brazil, then make a few minor updates to my 77 Doctrines PDF, and then focus on preparing for a debate on Nick Sayers’ channel this December. Once those projects are complete, I’ll return to finalizing the 177 Reasons for the KJV write-up, where those historical quotes will be featured.

I hope this will help and bless the body of Christ.

May the Lord Jesus Christ shine upon you today.


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[Bible_Highlighter]

Spot on ! Brother Bible_Highlighter
Saying ... "a fact that you and others here will have to deal with someday." ~~~> And that "someday" is TODAY !

The Roman Catholic Church ~~> Rev 13:3 "And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast."

"Critical Text" or "Westcott, Hort" text was based primarily on the Codex Vaticanus (B) and Codex Sinaiticus (Aleph), two ancient manuscripts discovered in the 19th century. Some sources claim that Westcott and Hort's work was influenced by Roman Catholic manuscripts and aligned with Catholic teachings." "The Westcott and Hort text became the foundation for modern Bible translations."

In the KJV, the dragon is first called a beast but then it starts to talk about the beast as one of the heads of this dragon and it seems like a false person that will be worshipped, too. This may not be a Catholic leader, although anything is a possibility. The whore in Revelation 17-18 sounds more like the Catholic church and it sounds like they will be destroyed by the Antichrist / Beast in the future. Granted, I don't like to argue Eschatology. Anything is possible. But what the KJV / TR says in Revelation will happen (Although it may not happen as we may all think). I think it takes serious fasting and prayer and a lot of unbiased investigation to unravel the End Times in Scripture. While End Times studies can be important, I believe it is more important to live for Christ and honor His grace before we engage in such matters.

Regrettably, the NIV follows this same tradition of corruption. This is not just innocent, translational error, but planned & malicious, doctrinal corruption to promote a False Christ and support the False Prophets understanding of Scripture, the corruption of ...
The Word, = the Righteousness of Christ, the Faith OF Jesus ... Rev 14:12 KJV ( as apposed to the NIV " faith IN Jesus )

While Modern Bibles do have many corruptions and false doctrines, I do not believe the words "faith in Jesus" is a corruption. It's just another way of saying "faith of Jesus" etc. You have to read things contextually. If the context does not support you, then it is best to abandon such odd interpretations. I say this because there are uncommon words in the KJV. Words like "conversation" does not exclusively mean talking with people and it refers to behavior or conduct, etcetera.

May God bless you in Jesus' name (our true place of rest).







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[Follower777]

In the KJV, the dragon is first called a beast but then it starts to talk about the beast as one of the heads of this dragon and it seems like a false person that will be worshipped, too. This may not be a Catholic leader, although anything is a possibility. The whore in Revelation 17-18 sounds more like the Catholic church and it sounds like they will be destroyed by the Antichrist / Beast in the future. Granted, I don't like to argue Eschatology. Anything is possible. But what the KJV / TR says in Revelation will happen (Although it may not happen as we may all think). I think it takes serious fasting and prayer and a lot of unbiased investigation to unravel the End Times in Scripture. While End Times studies can be important, I believe it is more important to live for Christ and honor His grace before we engage in such matters.

While Modern Bibles do have many corruptions and false doctrines, I do not believe the words "faith in Jesus" is a corruption. It's just another way of saying "faith of Jesus" etc. You have to read things contextually. If the context does not support you, then it is best to abandon such odd interpretations. I say this because there are uncommon words in the KJV. Words like "conversation" does not exclusively mean talking with people and it refers to behavior or conduct, etcetera.

May God bless you in Jesus' name (our true place of rest).

My understanding of the difference between “faith in Jesus” and the “faith of Jesus; which I believe is salvational, and the reason the Jesuits, over these last 500+ years have made such a concerted effort, to corrupt understanding, of The Word, the Truth,The Way and The Life, presented in Scripture, by their "Revised versions", away from the Textus Receptus, being the "authorized versions" I believe, of God.

The faith of Jesus—His unshaken, perfect trust in the Father—is more than a mere theological concept. Ellen G. White highlights its significance as the key to living victorious Christian lives. Here’s how:

1. The Faith of Jesus Gives Us Strength to Overcome Trials

This teaches that the faith of Jesus provides the believer with the strength needed to endure trials and remain faithful, just as Jesus did. Jesus' trust in His Father was not only unwavering during the trials He faced, but it was also the source of His victory.

• “The faith of Jesus is the victory that overcomes the world, and when His people are enabled to exercise the same faith in God that He had, they will be made partakers of His divine nature.” (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 189)

By receiving the faith of Jesus, we are able to overcome the challenges of this world, because this faith empowers us to trust in God’s promises and remain steadfast even when everything seems uncertain.

2. The Faith of Jesus Enables Us to Live a Life of Self-Sacrifice

Jesus' faith in the Father led Him to self-sacrifice for the salvation of others. As His followers, we are called to mirror this selflessness. The faith of Jesus enables us to live a life that prioritizes others over ourselves, fulfilling Christ's call to love our neighbors.

• “It is the faith of Jesus that enables us to walk by faith, not by sight, to live a life of self-sacrifice for others, to carry the cross as He did, and to overcome the world as He overcame it.” (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 2, p. 115)

Without this faith, living a life of sacrifice would be impossible, especially in the face of challenges. But with His faith in us, we can follow His example of love and humility.

3. The Faith of Jesus Leads to Complete Surrender

Christ’s trust in the Father led Him to total surrender—even when it seemed like God had turned His face away at the cross. This kind of surrender is key to Christian victory: trusting God even when we cannot see the end or understand the circumstances.

• “By surrendering all to God, He [Jesus] knew that His Father would care for Him and fulfill His promises. The same faith in God will help us surrender everything, knowing that He will guide us through all hardships.” (The Desire of Ages, p. 301)

When we surrender completely to God’s will, trusting in His sovereignty, our lives become victories in His hands, no matter what we face.

4. The Faith of Jesus Helps Us Endure Persecution and Temptation

Christ’s perfect faith in His Father enabled Him to endure persecution, mocking, and ultimately the cross. This same faith allows us to endure our own trials and temptations in a way that brings glory to God.

• “By His faithfulness, He [Jesus] accomplished His mission on earth, and now He imparts that same faith to us so that we can face persecution, hardships, and temptation with courage and confidence in God’s care.” (Desire of Ages, p. 320)

In this way, the faith of Jesus empowers us to remain steadfast when faced with opposition, giving us the courage to stand firm in our beliefs.

5. The Faith of Jesus Leads to Victory Over Sin

Victory over sin is one of the greatest privilegesJesus shares with His followers through His faith. Christ’s perfect faith in the Father led Him to victory over temptation and sin, and that victory is transferred to us through His faith.

• “When His people are enabled to exercise the same faith in God that He had, they will be able to overcome the powers of darkness.” (Manuscript Releases, Vol. 1, p. 78)

The faith of Jesus helps us resist temptation and walk in righteousness, empowering us to live holy lives. It’s not our own strength that brings victory, but His faith working within us.

Summary:
The faith of Jesus is not merely a passive gift—it is active, transformative power that enables believers to:

• Overcome trials and remain faithful under pressure.
• Live a life of self-sacrifice, prioritizing others.
• Surrender fully to God’s will, even in uncertainty.
• Endure persecution, temptation, and hardship with courage.
• Achieve victory over sin by relying on His faith.

This unshaken trust in the Father becomes our own foundation for victory. Through Christ’s faith—which He shares with us via the Holy Spirit—we can live as more than conquerors in Him. This is the victorious Christian life, He has promised us.

Brothers ! Do you see, why the Antichrist Spirit in the World, would want to confuse and obfuscate, corrupt the Word of God, from this deeply spiritual understanding ? Seems obvious to me ! Praise God !

Sabbath Blessings, Y'all

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

My understanding of the difference between “faith in Jesus” and the “faith of Jesus; which I believe is salvational, and the reason the Jesuits, over these last 500+ years have made such a concerted effort, to corrupt understanding, of The Word, the Truth,The Way and The Life, presented in Scripture, by their "Revised versions", away from the Textus Receptus, being the "authorized versions" I believe, of God.

The faith of Jesus—His unshaken, perfect trust in the Father—is more than a mere theological concept. Ellen G. White highlights its significance as the key to living victorious Christian lives. Here’s how:

1. The Faith of Jesus Gives Us Strength to Overcome Trials

This teaches that the faith of Jesus provides the believer with the strength needed to endure trials and remain faithful, just as Jesus did. Jesus' trust in His Father was not only unwavering during the trials He faced, but it was also the source of His victory.

• “The faith of Jesus is the victory that overcomes the world, and when His people are enabled to exercise the same faith in God that He had, they will be made partakers of His divine nature.” (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 189)

By receiving the faith of Jesus, we are able to overcome the challenges of this world, because this faith empowers us to trust in God’s promises and remain steadfast even when everything seems uncertain.

2. The Faith of Jesus Enables Us to Live a Life of Self-Sacrifice

Jesus' faith in the Father led Him to self-sacrifice for the salvation of others. As His followers, we are called to mirror this selflessness. The faith of Jesus enables us to live a life that prioritizes others over ourselves, fulfilling Christ's call to love our neighbors.

• “It is the faith of Jesus that enables us to walk by faith, not by sight, to live a life of self-sacrifice for others, to carry the cross as He did, and to overcome the world as He overcame it.” (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 2, p. 115)

Without this faith, living a life of sacrifice would be impossible, especially in the face of challenges. But with His faith in us, we can follow His example of love and humility.

3. The Faith of Jesus Leads to Complete Surrender

Christ’s trust in the Father led Him to total surrender—even when it seemed like God had turned His face away at the cross. This kind of surrender is key to Christian victory: trusting God even when we cannot see the end or understand the circumstances.

• “By surrendering all to God, He [Jesus] knew that His Father would care for Him and fulfill His promises. The same faith in God will help us surrender everything, knowing that He will guide us through all hardships.” (The Desire of Ages, p. 301)

When we surrender completely to God’s will, trusting in His sovereignty, our lives become victories in His hands, no matter what we face.

4. The Faith of Jesus Helps Us Endure Persecution and Temptation

Christ’s perfect faith in His Father enabled Him to endure persecution, mocking, and ultimately the cross. This same faith allows us to endure our own trials and temptations in a way that brings glory to God.

• “By His faithfulness, He [Jesus] accomplished His mission on earth, and now He imparts that same faith to us so that we can face persecution, hardships, and temptation with courage and confidence in God’s care.” (Desire of Ages, p. 320)

In this way, the faith of Jesus empowers us to remain steadfast when faced with opposition, giving us the courage to stand firm in our beliefs.

5. The Faith of Jesus Leads to Victory Over Sin

Victory over sin is one of the greatest privilegesJesus shares with His followers through His faith. Christ’s perfect faith in the Father led Him to victory over temptation and sin, and that victory is transferred to us through His faith.

• “When His people are enabled to exercise the same faith in God that He had, they will be able to overcome the powers of darkness.” (Manuscript Releases, Vol. 1, p. 78)

The faith of Jesus helps us resist temptation and walk in righteousness, empowering us to live holy lives. It’s not our own strength that brings victory, but His faith working within us.

Summary:
The faith of Jesus is not merely a passive gift—it is active, transformative power that enables believers to:

• Overcome trials and remain faithful under pressure.
• Live a life of self-sacrifice, prioritizing others.
• Surrender fully to God’s will, even in uncertainty.
• Endure persecution, temptation, and hardship with courage.
• Achieve victory over sin by relying on His faith.

This unshaken trust in the Father becomes our own foundation for victory. Through Christ’s faith—which He shares with us via the Holy Spirit—we can live as more than conquerors in Him. This is the victorious Christian life, He has promised us.

Brothers ! Do you see, why the Antichrist Spirit in the World, would want to confuse and obfuscate, corrupt the Word of God, from this deeply spiritual understanding ? Seems obvious to me ! Praise God !

Sabbath Blessings, Y'all

All three sources you provided, Testimonies for the Church, The Desire of Ages, and Manuscript Releases, are authored by Ellen G. White, the prophetic figure of the Seventh-day Adventist movement. Because these works originate from within that denomination, they present a biased perspective consistent with Seventh-day Adventist teachings. Many of her beliefs are unbiblical, and she most definitely is not a true prophetess of God.


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[Bible_Highlighter]

My understanding of the difference between “faith in Jesus” and the “faith of Jesus; which I believe is salvational, and the reason the Jesuits, over these last 500+ years have made such a concerted effort, to corrupt understanding, of The Word, the Truth,The Way and The Life, presented in Scripture, by their "Revised versions", away from the Textus Receptus, being the "authorized versions" I believe, of God.

The faith of Jesus—His unshaken, perfect trust in the Father—is more than a mere theological concept. Ellen G. White highlights its significance as the key to living victorious Christian lives. Here’s how:

1. The Faith of Jesus Gives Us Strength to Overcome Trials

This teaches that the faith of Jesus provides the believer with the strength needed to endure trials and remain faithful, just as Jesus did. Jesus' trust in His Father was not only unwavering during the trials He faced, but it was also the source of His victory.

• “The faith of Jesus is the victory that overcomes the world, and when His people are enabled to exercise the same faith in God that He had, they will be made partakers of His divine nature.” (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 189)

By receiving the faith of Jesus, we are able to overcome the challenges of this world, because this faith empowers us to trust in God’s promises and remain steadfast even when everything seems uncertain.

2. The Faith of Jesus Enables Us to Live a Life of Self-Sacrifice

Jesus' faith in the Father led Him to self-sacrifice for the salvation of others. As His followers, we are called to mirror this selflessness. The faith of Jesus enables us to live a life that prioritizes others over ourselves, fulfilling Christ's call to love our neighbors.

• “It is the faith of Jesus that enables us to walk by faith, not by sight, to live a life of self-sacrifice for others, to carry the cross as He did, and to overcome the world as He overcame it.” (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 2, p. 115)

Without this faith, living a life of sacrifice would be impossible, especially in the face of challenges. But with His faith in us, we can follow His example of love and humility.

3. The Faith of Jesus Leads to Complete Surrender

Christ’s trust in the Father led Him to total surrender—even when it seemed like God had turned His face away at the cross. This kind of surrender is key to Christian victory: trusting God even when we cannot see the end or understand the circumstances.

• “By surrendering all to God, He [Jesus] knew that His Father would care for Him and fulfill His promises. The same faith in God will help us surrender everything, knowing that He will guide us through all hardships.” (The Desire of Ages, p. 301)

When we surrender completely to God’s will, trusting in His sovereignty, our lives become victories in His hands, no matter what we face.

4. The Faith of Jesus Helps Us Endure Persecution and Temptation

Christ’s perfect faith in His Father enabled Him to endure persecution, mocking, and ultimately the cross. This same faith allows us to endure our own trials and temptations in a way that brings glory to God.

• “By His faithfulness, He [Jesus] accomplished His mission on earth, and now He imparts that same faith to us so that we can face persecution, hardships, and temptation with courage and confidence in God’s care.” (Desire of Ages, p. 320)

In this way, the faith of Jesus empowers us to remain steadfast when faced with opposition, giving us the courage to stand firm in our beliefs.

5. The Faith of Jesus Leads to Victory Over Sin

Victory over sin is one of the greatest privilegesJesus shares with His followers through His faith. Christ’s perfect faith in the Father led Him to victory over temptation and sin, and that victory is transferred to us through His faith.

• “When His people are enabled to exercise the same faith in God that He had, they will be able to overcome the powers of darkness.” (Manuscript Releases, Vol. 1, p. 78)

The faith of Jesus helps us resist temptation and walk in righteousness, empowering us to live holy lives. It’s not our own strength that brings victory, but His faith working within us.

Summary:
The faith of Jesus is not merely a passive gift—it is active, transformative power that enables believers to:

• Overcome trials and remain faithful under pressure.
• Live a life of self-sacrifice, prioritizing others.
• Surrender fully to God’s will, even in uncertainty.
• Endure persecution, temptation, and hardship with courage.
• Achieve victory over sin by relying on His faith.

This unshaken trust in the Father becomes our own foundation for victory. Through Christ’s faith—which He shares with us via the Holy Spirit—we can live as more than conquerors in Him. This is the victorious Christian life, He has promised us.

Brothers ! Do you see, why the Antichrist Spirit in the World, would want to confuse and obfuscate, corrupt the Word of God, from this deeply spiritual understanding ? Seems obvious to me ! Praise God !

Sabbath Blessings, Y'all

Romans 3:22 – Faith in Christ, Not Faith by Christ

“Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe” (Romans 3:22).​

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Context: Paul contrasts the works of the law with faith as the way to receive righteousness. The righteousness of God is “unto all and upon all them that believe,” and God is “the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus” (Romans 3:26). The entire chapter focuses on how believers are justified by faith in Jesus Christ, not on Jesus exercising faith Himself.

Conclusion: The context speaks only of believers placing faith in Christ. Nothing in this chapter mentions Jesus Himself having faith in God the Father.


Galatians 2:16 – Defined Within the Verse Itself

“A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ” (Galatians 2:16).​

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Context: Paul rebukes those who trusted in the law for justification. He directly defines “faith of Jesus Christ” by adding “even we have believed in Jesus Christ.” The verse itself clarifies that justification comes through our faith in Christ, not through Christ having faith in God.

Conclusion: The passage explains that justification is through our believing in Jesus Christ. Nothing in this chapter mentions Jesus Himself having faith in God the Father.


Galatians 3:22 – The Promise to Those Who Believe

“That the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe” (Galatians 3:22).​

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Context: Paul explains that the law revealed sin so that the promise could come through faith in Christ to those who believe. The emphasis is entirely on human faith directed toward Christ. The following verses confirm this: “The law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith” (Galatians 3:24) and “Ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:26).

Conclusion: The promise is received through faith in Jesus Christ by believers. Nothing in this chapter mentions Jesus Himself having faith in God the Father.


Revelation 14:12 – The Faith Held by the Saints

“Here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus” (Revelation 14:12).​

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Context: The saints are contrasted with those who worship the beast. They keep the commandments of God and hold fast to their faith in Jesus, showing their endurance and loyalty under persecution. The faith described is the believers’ faith in Christ, not faith exercised by Christ toward the Father.

Conclusion: The saints are those who keep faith in Jesus through endurance and obedience. Nothing in this chapter mentions Jesus Himself having faith in God the Father.






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[bettyboop]

I have only looked at the first few of the 77, but so far, the NKJV, which I use, seems not to change the doctrines.

For example, "Modern Bibles in Philippians 2:7 change doctrine by denying the active power of Jesus Christ during His Earthly ministry. For instance: Modern bibles falsely say Jesus emptied himself or gave up his divine privileges." Philippians 2:7 appears as follows in the NKJV:

“but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.” (Php 2:7 NKJV)

Your second "Changed Doctrine" includes: "John 1:18 "the only begotten Son" (KJB) is wrongfully changed to “The only begotten God.” " John 1:18 in the NKJV says:

“No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him].” (Joh 1:18 NKJV)

Changed Doctrine 3 says: "Modern Bibles falsely teach that Jesus had faith in Hebrews 12:2" That verse in the NKJV reads:

“looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.” (Heb 12:2 NKJV)

Changed Doctrine 4includes: "1.Luke 9:55–56 – Modern Translations remove Jesus’ words, “Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.” This is not a small edit. It erases a vital lesson. Without these words, the passage loses Christ’s clear teaching that whenever we feel others deserve destruction, we are not operating in His Spirit. Jesus corrected James and John by reminding them that His mission was mercy, not vengeance. To strip this out is to silence one of the most practical safeguards against a vengeful heart."

The two verses in the NKJV say:

“But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save [them].” And they went to another village.” (Lu 9:55-56 NKJV)

So of course there are some modern versions of the bible in English that mistranslate the original Greek or Hebrew, but it seems too sweeping a generalisation to suggest that all do.

i only read kjv

 

[DavidLamb]

i only read kjv

Nothing wrong with that, as long as you recognise that many words mean something completely different in current English than they did in 1611, but I wonder how your post relates to mine.