How do we distinguish false Christ & false Prophets according to Our Lord?

[HigherGospel]

Produce strife, so you cannot defend your denial of saved is saved, eternally secure, if saved always saved?

Those claiming one can live in sin and still be saved produces strife between themselves and the Lord by calling His Word a lie as they cherry pick passages that support the false doctrine the OSAS cult espouses

 

[Dino246]

Those claiming one can live in sin and still be saved produces strife between themselves and the Lord by calling His Word a lie as they cherry pick passages that support the false doctrine the OSAS cult espouses

Start your own thread and stop polluting other threads with your OSAS issues.

 

[Godsgood]

Most sects of genuine Christians do get along.

But you can't still identify with yourself who are the genuine and who are not.

 

[Dino246]

But you can't still identify with yourself who are the genuine and who are not.

Says you, and your opinion of me is irrelevant.

 

[Follower777]

A man can do nothing to distinguish in his own who is the false Christ and false Prophets.

It is only Our Lord Jesus who could reveal so we can distinguish them.

In The New Testament, Jesus revealed it to his Disciples only but not to the Jews (even though the Jews believe in the words of God).
MARK 4:34
34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

Wrong. God gave very clear guidelines in the Law on how to identify false prophets. Since your knowledge of Scripture is inadequate, you obviously haven't learned that yet. You should really stop making sweeping pronouncements until you know Scripture much better.
You're applying this verse incorrectly and outside its context. If you had learned proper hermeneutical methods, you wouldn't make such elementary mistakes.

Mr, Dino, You sure sound as if you think highly of yourself as an authority here, rather than "The Word,= scripture, = Christ" ... In my opinion, based on scripture, and discernment from the Holy Spirit', ... ~~> YOU Sir, are a good example of a "false prophet" <~~ ON TOPIC

I grow tired of your ridiculous unreason. It is shameful that you spend so much time insulting me.

I agree with Godsgood, you have the heart attitude of a Pharisee, and your self-righteousness "Pride" (Isaiah 12:14-14) is defining and deafening. ~~~ Self-righteousness won't get you into heaven, ONLY the Righteousness of Christ.

Let me shed some light, by prayer, Biblical (KJV) & historical commentary, concerning; "WHAT & WHO, is a false prophet, according to Scripture."

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[Follower777]

WHAT & WHO, is a false prophet.
A person cannot reliably distinguish false Christs and false prophets without the help of the Holy Spirit. While human effort—such as studying scripture, testing teachings against the Bible (1 John 4:1-3), and examining the fruits of a teacher (Matthew 7:15-20)—is essential, these efforts depend on the Holy Spirit’s guidance to achieve true discernment.

1 Corinthians 2:14 states that spiritual truths, including the discernment of false prophets, are “spiritually discerned” and inaccessible to the “natural man” without the Spirit.

John 16:13 further confirms that the Holy Spirit guides believers into all truth, which includes identifying false teachings.

1 John 4:1-3 calls to “try the spirits” implies an active role for believers, but the ability to recognize the Spirit of God versus the spirit of antichrist relies on divine enlightenment, as human reasoning alone can be deceived by subtle errors or miraculous signs.

Matthew 24:24 "24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. "

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Here are traits, (spiritually discerned, with the help of the Holy Spirit) of a genuine Christian as apposed to a "pretentious" Christian
( False Christian / Prophet )

Galatians 2:20 – “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me…”
Indwelling of Christ – the believer’s life is no longer self‑directed; Christ’s life governs thoughts, motives, and actions.
A genuine Christian will exhibit a Christ‑centered character—love, humility, obedience, and a desire to glorify God.

2 Corinthians 5:17 – “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature…” ( Christ‑Centered Life)
New Creation – the old sinful nature is broken; the new nature bears fruit of the Spirit. Look for the fruit of the Spirit
“The true disciple is one who has the Spirit of Christ dwelling within him, and his life is a testimony of that indwelling.” (EGW - The Ministry of Healing, p. 254)

(Gal 5:22‑23). A false prophet may profess faith but lacks these evidences. ( Fruit of the Spirit )
“The presence of the Spirit is proved by the fruit that springs forth—love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance.” (EGW -The Desire of Ages, p. 282)

1 John 4:1 – “...test the spirits whether they are of God…” & 1 Tim 4:1‑2 ( Sound Doctrine )
Testing the Spirits – discernment is commanded.
The test is doctrine (truth of the gospel) and fruit (life‑producing holiness).
“False teachers will try to corrupt the plain truths of the gospel; the true believer holds fast to the simple, clear teachings of Scripture.” (EGW- Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 218)

2 Peter 2:1‑3 – “There were false prophets…who shall bring in damnable heresies…”
Deceptive Teaching – false prophets introduce doctrines contrary to the gospel.
Examine whether the teaching adds to or subtracts from the core gospel of Christ’s atonement.

Matthew 7:15‑20 – “Beware of false prophets…by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Humility & Obedience)
External Evidence – a prophet’s teachings must align with Scripture, and his life must produce godly fruit.
Consistency with Scripture and a holy lifestyle separate true believers from impostors.
“True prophets are humbled, ever ready to submit to God’s will, whereas false prophets are proud and self‑promoting.” (The Ministry of Healing, p. 254)

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. (= Lawlessness = disobedience)( e.g. observing Sunday, rather than God's Sabbath )

1 Timothy 4:1‑2 – “...there shall be divers [false] teachers…some shall depart from the faith…”
Departure from Sound Doctrine – false teachers twist the gospel.
True Christians cling to sound doctrine (the whole counsel of God.

2 Timothy  3:16‑17 ~ 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: ( Consistency with the Whole Counsel of God )
“A true Christian’s teaching will never contradict the great truths already revealed in Scripture; any deviation signals deception.” (Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 218)

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, That you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one to another. ( Love for the Brethren ) & God (Matt 22:37)
“The mark of a true disciple is love toward fellow believers; false teachers sow division and discord.” (The Desire of Ages, p. 282)

It's ALL About Love ~~~~> Blessed Sabbath Y'all

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[Dino246]

Mr, Dino, You sure sound as if you think highly of yourself as an authority here, rather than "The Word,= scripture, = Christ" ... In my opinion, based on scripture, and discernment from the Holy Spirit', ... ~~> YOU Sir, are a good example of a "false prophet" <~~ ON TOPIC

You're welcome to your opinion, misguided though it is. This thread is not about me.

I agree with Godsgood, you have the heart attitude of a Pharisee, and your self-righteousness "Pride" (Isaiah 12:14-14) is defining and deafening. ~~~ Self-righteousness won't get you into heaven, ONLY the Righteousness of Christ.
Given that Godsgood has chosen to refuse biblical correction, invent his own standards and principles, and repeatedly throw demeaning comments at me, and you agree with him, I will treasure your opinion as I do his.

When you want to discuss Scripture, let me know. As long as you prefer to make personal attacks, I will yawn in your general direction.

 

[Follower777]

You're welcome to your opinion, misguided though it is. This thread is not about me

It’s not "MY" opinion, it’s Jesus’ Opinion, … You read scripture the same way I do, yet you understand it as license for disobedience, unrighteousness, sin, rather than The Righteousness of Christ, unto Salvation. What do you think sanctification, to justification is all about?

This thread IS about you, and me … All of us are dealing with this “struggle” between the two spirits, in the world… God trying to woe us to Him, by the Love of His Son, and the Dark Lord, (Anti-Christ) spirit, by the Lust of the Flesh, lust for wickedness, lawlessness and DEATH.

Man !! I don’t want to die … I wanna LIVE !! ~~~> So I came to Jesus, to find out how, BELIEVED what He says, and BY FAITH, FELL IN LOVE with the Son of God, “Truth” and because of my TRUTHFULLY LOVING Jesus, He has instilled in me HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, of “REPENTANCE & OBEDIENCE. Which is dispelling and replacing my allegiance, my lust for the Dark Lord, = SIN.

Jesus has caused me by the indwelling of His Spirit (Gal 2:20) to walking in the spirit, (Gal 5:16) to be like Him & His Righteousness, LOVING God AND my neighbors, and because of that LOVE, I’m obedient to Jesus, who says. If you Love me, You WILL, Keep My Commandments, and what I do to the least of my neighbors, I do to Jesus. Matt 25:40 ~~> Wow ! It Love ALL around, It’s ALL about Love !! Thank You Jesus !! Halleluyah!

I Love my neighbors, ( That’s ALL Y”ALL ) … I really do, want you to come to the Truth, Jesus, so we ALL can be saved, and meet in heaven, as Jesus Promises.

SO ! False Prophets ? ! ( <~~ ON TOPIC )

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, That you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one to another.

A WARNING to all UN- Loving teachers, professors of unrighteousness. ( False Prophets )

Matt 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (meaning false prophet will not be in heaven.)

James 3:1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.

 

[Dino246]

It’s not "MY" opinion, it’s Jesus’ Opinion[/I], … You read scripture the same way I do, yet you understand it as license for disobedience, unrighteousness, sin, rather than The Righteousness of Christ, unto Salvation. What do you think sanctification, to justification is all about? [/I]

Your assumptions are asinine. You don’t know jack about me.

… and you overuse text formatting.

This thread IS about you, and me … All of us are dealing with this “struggle” between the two spirits, in the world… God trying to woe us to Him, by the Love of His Son, and the Dark Lord, (Anti-Christ) spirit, by the Lust of the Flesh, lust for wickedness, lawlessness and DEATH.

I am not the subject of this thread but merely a participant in it. This is a Bible discussion forum, not a Dino246 discussion forum.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, That you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one to another.

A WARNING to all UN- Loving teachers, professors of unrighteousness. ( False Prophets )

You consider it “love” to attack me personally on a public forum and then crow a warning about “unloving” behaviour? Get some integrity!

 

[Follower777]

Sorry, D .. but you are mistaken ..
We can not conceal our true spiritual nature, "the natural man" when ever we are speaking publically, about spiritual matters.

Luke 6:45 ~ "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks."

Matt 7:16 ~ You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they?

1 Cor 2:14 ~ But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I couldn't help chose you as an example of a "False Prophet" as you are VERY vocal, here in the CC Forums, and very self- assured, very self- centered & so self-Righteous, as opposed to having the Righteousness of Christ. A good example of a False Prophet, as we ALL are prone to be ... It's called SIN.. ( I hesitate, to ask you, if you think yourself, "sinless" )

...and your advice to not "over use" forming, only confirms my inclination to not be boring and interestingly stifled.. Visual exaggerations are a good method to get peoples attention, especially to the main points of the discussion, ... kinda like using a mega phone, in text
YOU just don't like my proclaiming LOUDLY ... about our lack of Love for God.

Rev 14:7 ~ "Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

v8 ~ And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

v9 ~ And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

v10 ~ The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

I'm an Adventist, and we are commissioned by God, to proclaim the Three Angles Message and to continue the Reformation movement, a Revival to a Reformation, warning a dying world, to Repentance and a Renewal of our spirits, INTO Christ and His Righteousness, by His Holy Spirit, BEFORE the VERY SOON COMING advent of our Lord Jesus, to help save as many people as possible. Revelation 14: 7-12 ~ABOVE

AMEN ! & ... Y'all have a Blessed day, now, Y'a hear ?

 

[Dino246]

Sorry, D .. but you are mistaken ..
We can not conceal our true spiritual nature, "the natural man" when ever we are speaking publically, about spiritual matters.

Luke 6:45 ~ "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks."

Matt 7:16 ~ You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they?

1 Cor 2:14 ~ But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I couldn't help chose you as an example of a "False Prophet" as you are VERY vocal, here in the CC Forums, and very self- assured, very self- centered & so self-Righteous, as opposed to having the Righteousness of Christ. A good example of a False Prophet, as we ALL are prone to be ... It's called SIN.. ( I hesitate, to ask you, if you think yourself, "sinless" )

...and your advice to not "over use" forming, only confirms my inclination to not be boring and interestingly stifled.. Visual exaggerations are a good method to get peoples attention, especially to the main points of the discussion, ... kinda like using a mega phone, in text
YOU just don't like my proclaiming LOUDLY ... about our lack of Love for God.

Rev 14:7 ~ "Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

v8 ~ And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

v9 ~ And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

v10 ~ The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

I'm an Adventist, and we are commissioned by God, to proclaim the Three Angles Message and to continue the Reformation movement, a Revival to a Reformation, warning a dying world, to Repentance and a Renewal of our spirits, INTO Christ and His Righteousness, by His Holy Spirit, BEFORE the VERY SOON COMING advent of our Lord Jesus, to help save as many people as possible. Revelation 14: 7-12 ~ABOVE

AMEN ! & ... Y'all have a Blessed day, now, Y'a hear ?

Yawn.

 

[CrystalN]

I'm not sure if this is out of context but in my community, our church used to throw disco/club nights on holy grounds on some Saturday nights. I've always known this to be wrong. people who attended these discos drank alcohol, smoked weed and had sex on the grounds. Keep in mind, this church is one of the oldest churches on our area and so they also established a primary school many years ago. On these nights attendees would enter school premises and do these things in them too then the children are left to pick up waste, wipes, toilet papers, food papers, alcohol bottles or even pick up lost cigarettes.

I went to meet with the reverend to petition this not only for me and some community members but also that this is against God's word. They threw my past in my face. I was a satanist and glory be to God, he called me and saved me. Now I'm a Christian for many years. I'm changed and it is soo obviously noticeable that no one can deny God's mercy and goodness. For some reason this church leader thought it was right to insult me about my past and basically use it as a key for me not to speak up and have no place to say a thing cause how would I know what's right or wrong. And yes, I was wrong for many years, but that was between me and God, not man. They also threw in my face that I'm not actively working in the church, as if works gets you to God? Another leader that attended the meeting stated that I am an respected individual in this community and can use this to form a group, and maybe do Bible study with them in the mountains as I love hiking.

Instead of getting heated I just left the room. Because I know I was sent by the Holy spirit to speak up against this long history and tradition of this church.

Afterwards, all high church members/leaders heard word of this private meeting and showed me great hatred for it. Also, in my church there's is this division of groups each according to their social classes. When you enter church you have to please people's traditions to fit in a group or even het a proper greeting from your fellow brothers and sisters.

To add more detail, this disco is a long time tradition in our community and thrown for the whole community never-ending their church background. Youths as young as 13 can attend them. Not to leave out there have been cases of rape and brutal fights where many had to go to hospital. The whole community basically hate me for it as everyone got word through the church leaders I spoke against it. But I fear not because I know they feel shame for it. It's been a whole since they had a disco and I actually feel relieved about it.

I am however stuck between two. I feel like when I do go to this church I go up against something in me that don't sit right with its traditions and ways of doing things. THEY EVEN HAVE MARKETS IT SELL PRODUCTS INSIDE OF THE CHURCH. How can it sit right with me? Jesus turned and threw tables in the synagogues for insulting God's temples. How come no one speak up against this traditions in my community and why am I hated so much for speaking up against it. I am 1 person against so many.

The level of gossiping in this church is really worrisome and you cannot do or say anything about it. I'm really conflicted against going to this church. I should go to church but all surrounding churches basically have this same unbiblical traditions and structure. I don't know what to do

Also, I asked them why do they throw these disco club events and they say it's the fastest way to get money. How can you lead so many lost and confused youth/people astray from God's truth and justify your actions with out church needs money and this is the only way?? HOW?

What should I do? Any advise? Was I wrong?

 

[Dino246]

I'm not sure if this is out of context but in my community, our church used to throw disco/club nights on holy grounds on some Saturday nights. I've always known this to be wrong. people who attended these discos drank alcohol, smoked weed and had sex on the grounds. Keep in mind, this church is one of the oldest churches on our area and so they also established a primary school many years ago. On these nights attendees would enter school premises and do these things in them too then the children are left to pick up waste, wipes, toilet papers, food papers, alcohol bottles or even pick up lost cigarettes.

I went to meet with the reverend to petition this not only for me and some community members but also that this is against God's word. They threw my past in my face. I was a satanist and glory be to God, he called me and saved me. Now I'm a Christian for many years. I'm changed and it is soo obviously noticeable that no one can deny God's mercy and goodness. For some reason this church leader thought it was right to insult me about my past and basically use it as a key for me not to speak up and have no place to say a thing cause how would I know what's right or wrong. And yes, I was wrong for many years, but that was between me and God, not man. They also threw in my face that I'm not actively working in the church, as if works gets you to God? Another leader that attended the meeting stated that I am an respected individual in this community and can use this to form a group, and maybe do Bible study with them in the mountains as I love hiking.

Instead of getting heated I just left the room. Because I know I was sent by the Holy spirit to speak up against this long history and tradition of this church.

Afterwards, all high church members/leaders heard word of this private meeting and showed me great hatred for it. Also, in my church there's is this division of groups each according to their social classes. When you enter church you have to please people's traditions to fit in a group or even het a proper greeting from your fellow brothers and sisters.

To add more detail, this disco is a long time tradition in our community and thrown for the whole community never-ending their church background. Youths as young as 13 can attend them. Not to leave out there have been cases of rape and brutal fights where many had to go to hospital. The whole community basically hate me for it as everyone got word through the church leaders I spoke against it. But I fear not because I know they feel shame for it. It's been a whole since they had a disco and I actually feel relieved about it.

I am however stuck between two. I feel like when I do go to this church I go up against something in me that don't sit right with its traditions and ways of doing things. THEY EVEN HAVE MARKETS IT SELL PRODUCTS INSIDE OF THE CHURCH. How can it sit right with me? Jesus turned and threw tables in the synagogues for insulting God's temples. How come no one speak up against this traditions in my community and why am I hated so much for speaking up against it. I am 1 person against so many.

The level of gossiping in this church is really worrisome and you cannot do or say anything about it. I'm really conflicted against going to this church. I should go to church but all surrounding churches basically have this same unbiblical traditions and structure. I don't know what to do

Also, I asked them why do they throw these disco club events and they say it's the fastest way to get money. How can you lead so many lost and confused youth/people astray from God's truth and justify your actions with out church needs money and this is the only way?? HOW?

What should I do? Any advise? Was I wrong?

Hi Crystal, welcome to CC!

Thanks for sharing. I think you did the right thing, given the information you shared. Don't let the negative response dissuade you; your praise comes from the Lord, not men. Sometimes it takes a firm correction to dislodge people from ingrained sinful patterns, so some negative feedback is to be expected.

 

[CrystalN]

Hi Crystal, welcome to CC!

Thanks for sharing. I think you did the right thing, given the information you shared. Don't let the negative response dissuade you; your praise comes from the Lord, not men. Sometimes it takes a firm correction to dislodge people from ingrained sinful patterns, so some negative feedback is to be expected.

Thank you so much for your feedback. I really appreciate it

 

[Emilie]

Read bible ,and ask God . Because in Biblie is a truth

 

[Rob7]

What should I do? Any advise? Was I wrong?

I understand your pain & concern Sister...
NO !! You are NOT wrong ... You are Right !!

Which is the cause for the leaders, shakers and movers directing this congregation's spirit, to have animosity towards you.. Their "love for the World" James 4:4 "self-righteousness" and lust for the flesh, lust of the eye, and their PRIDE of life, 1 John 2:16, causes them "hatred" for anyone who doesn't Go Along To Get Along, which points out their disobedience to the Word of God, Jesus.
Remember ! Matt 7: 15 " Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 You shall know them by their fruits..." by what they say and do, as you have "rightly / righteously" observed.

... and by your description of them, they are as much of the "anti-Christ" rebellious / disobedient spirit, as the "Satanist" group that you came out of. Your lack of love for the world, by your love for Jesus, is evident to them, and causes those of them in the congregation, with this worldly spirit, to dislike you AND your Holy Spirit which causes them unease and consternation in the their un-Christlike spirit.

And as for advise;
Matt 10:14 And whoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when you depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15 Truly I say to you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. 
¶
16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the middle of wolves: be you therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will whip you in their synagogues;
18 And you shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what you shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what you shall speak.
20 For it is not you that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaks in you.

Continue speaking the Truth Jesus as directed by the Holy Spirit, in you and find yourself a church congregation that Believes & Loves Jesus, " If you love me, you will keep my commandments" John 14:15. All 10 of them .. including #4. ... and drink in the Righteousness of Christ, and God will Bless you as His own, a Child of God.

Blessing Sister, and May God Be with you, .... Jesus !

 

[Citizen]

I'm not sure if this is out of context but in my community, our church used to throw disco/club nights on holy grounds on some Saturday nights. I've always known this to be wrong. people who attended these discos drank alcohol, smoked weed and had sex on the grounds. Keep in mind, this church is one of the oldest churches on our area and so they also established a primary school many years ago. On these nights attendees would enter school premises and do these things in them too then the children are left to pick up waste, wipes, toilet papers, food papers, alcohol bottles or even pick up lost cigarettes.

I went to meet with the reverend to petition this not only for me and some community members but also that this is against God's word. They threw my past in my face. I was a satanist and glory be to God, he called me and saved me. Now I'm a Christian for many years. I'm changed and it is soo obviously noticeable that no one can deny God's mercy and goodness. For some reason this church leader thought it was right to insult me about my past and basically use it as a key for me not to speak up and have no place to say a thing cause how would I know what's right or wrong. And yes, I was wrong for many years, but that was between me and God, not man. They also threw in my face that I'm not actively working in the church, as if works gets you to God? Another leader that attended the meeting stated that I am an respected individual in this community and can use this to form a group, and maybe do Bible study with them in the mountains as I love hiking.

Instead of getting heated I just left the room. Because I know I was sent by the Holy spirit to speak up against this long history and tradition of this church.

Afterwards, all high church members/leaders heard word of this private meeting and showed me great hatred for it. Also, in my church there's is this division of groups each according to their social classes. When you enter church you have to please people's traditions to fit in a group or even het a proper greeting from your fellow brothers and sisters.

To add more detail, this disco is a long time tradition in our community and thrown for the whole community never-ending their church background. Youths as young as 13 can attend them. Not to leave out there have been cases of rape and brutal fights where many had to go to hospital. The whole community basically hate me for it as everyone got word through the church leaders I spoke against it. But I fear not because I know they feel shame for it. It's been a whole since they had a disco and I actually feel relieved about it.

I am however stuck between two. I feel like when I do go to this church I go up against something in me that don't sit right with its traditions and ways of doing things. THEY EVEN HAVE MARKETS IT SELL PRODUCTS INSIDE OF THE CHURCH. How can it sit right with me? Jesus turned and threw tables in the synagogues for insulting God's temples. How come no one speak up against this traditions in my community and why am I hated so much for speaking up against it. I am 1 person against so many.

The level of gossiping in this church is really worrisome and you cannot do or say anything about it. I'm really conflicted against going to this church. I should go to church but all surrounding churches basically have this same unbiblical traditions and structure. I don't know what to do

Also, I asked them why do they throw these disco club events and they say it's the fastest way to get money. How can you lead so many lost and confused youth/people astray from God's truth and justify your actions with out church needs money and this is the only way?? HOW?

What should I do? Any advise? Was I wrong?

Hello and welcome! You may get more replies and advice if you start a new thread since this one is a pretty specific topic.

 

[Rob7]

Hello and welcome! You may get more replies and advice if you start a new thread since this one is a pretty specific topic.

Actually if you look at what she's talking about: a group of people, calling themselves "a church" ... I'm assuming, "a Christian Church" Probably believing they are Christian, yet acting like the "Devil" .. This is JUST what the conversation of this thread, is about... False Prophets !! and "How do we distinguish false Christ & false Prophets according to Our Lord?"

Their "love for the World" James 4:4 "self-righteousness" and lust for the flesh, lust of the eye, and their PRIDE of life, 1 John 2:16, causes them "hatred" for anyone who doesn't Go Along To Get Along, which points out their disobedience to the Word of God, Jesus.
Remember ! Matt 7: 15 " Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 You shall know them by their fruits..." by what they say and do, as you have "rightly / righteously" observed.

... and by your description of them, they are as much of the "anti-Christ" rebellious / disobedient spirit, as the "Satanist" group that you came out of. Your lack of love for the world, by your love for Jesus, is evident to them, and causes those of them in the congregation, with this worldly spirit, to dislike you AND your Holy Spirit which causes them unease and consternation in the their un-Christlike spirit.

And as for advise;
Matt 10:14 And whoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when you depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15 Truly I say to you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. 
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16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the middle of wolves: be you therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will whip you in their synagogues;
18 And you shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what you shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what you shall speak.
20 For it is not you that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaks in you.

Continue speaking the Truth Jesus as directed by the Holy Spirit, in you and find yourself a church congregation that Believes & Loves Jesus, " If you love me, you will keep my commandments" John 14:15. All 10 of them .. including #4. ... and drink in the Righteousness of Christ, and God will Bless you as His own, a Child of God.

Blessing Sister, and May God Be with you, .... Jesus !

"How do we distinguish false Christ & false Prophets according to Our Lord?"
2 Tim 3:3 Without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, ( ie. persecuting Crystal ) ... 4 Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
Which is what I advised her, and WHY I advised her such.

 

[Godsgood]

The false Christ and false Prophets could be distinguish through the words of God with the guide of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Follower777]

But you can't still identify with yourself who are the genuine and who are not.

Here is a Biblical description / mentioning, of the last days, prophetic / spiritual Church, the Body of Christ;
Rev. 14: 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You REALLY have to be careful, which Bible version you use. The Roman Church has corrupted many of the "modern" Bible versions, like the NIV ... which says, ( in many Bible references )" ... the faith IN Jesus" rather than the "faith OF Jesus" of the KJV. The changing of this one little word, becomes a salvational issue. It's because of Jesus' Faith and our having the same Faith as Jesus had, that we are able return to being Children of God.
By NO other way, ... The Way of Jesus ( and His Faith ) ... " The Way the Truth, the Life."

Do a Bible search of the NIV, compared to the KJV on this issue .. and you can see an " Antichrist agenda " for this corruption of Truth.
Blessings Brother.