The Teachings of Paul (TOP)

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GWH said:
How about faith is not sight/proof, therefore it must be opinion 2Cor. 5:7?

I don't know about you, but my father was very loving, so I had no problem believing that God was perfectly loving,
so I always believed in Him without fearing Him.

However, later in life I realized that those who reject the love of the Lord should fear experiencing a just hell,
so both love and fear should motivate an atheist to repent.
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Healthy fear sir, think of it like a cocktail shake, The father is the rooster, that only not delivers a message of warning against denial, he also gives another a warning after the denial, which is cited to

And in-between the hen or little cockerels have a healthy fear, and behold some know the living gift of the fear of the lord and don't deny him.
Whilst some deny his healthy loving fear that made them tremble.

This is also cited that the unsaved will work out there salvation in fear and trembling 🤩
 
And behold when Peter was in fear

Jesus immediately reached out his hand and took hold of him, saying to him, "O you of little faith, why did you doubt?"
 
Jordon said:
Healthy fear sir, think of it like a cocktail shake, The father is the rooster, that only not delivers a message of warning against denial, he also gives another a warning after the denial, which is cited to

And in-between the hen or little cockerels have a healthy fear, and behold some know the living gift of the fear of the lord and don't deny him.
Whilst some deny his healthy loving fear that made them tremble.

This is also cited that the unsaved will work out there salvation in fear and trembling 🤩
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Yes, fear of hell is healthy, and hell is just, because it love of righteousness means hatred of sin.
However, God wants folks to love Him, not cower before Him like we would fear a tyrant.
I shared my testimony regarding my parents; would you like to share what motivated you to believe?
 
GWH said:
Yes, fear of hell is healthy, and hell is just, because it love of righteousness means hatred of sin.
However, God wants folks to love Him, not cower before Him like we would fear a tyrant.
I shared my testimony regarding my parents; would you like to share what motivated you to believe?
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you know I was citing one of Paul's teachings, about working out your fear and trembling,

A fear of hell is no longer applicable once his will has converted you. That's cited too
 
GWH said:
would you like to share what motivated you to believe?
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I dont really get by in life with motivation, with me I would say I'm discipline, myself where I have to discipline myself to do everyday tasks.

Motivation can be a good thing but it often involves being motivated for a reason, that's only the start, to carry on in that motivation I believe I have to discipline myself,

So I believe I'm wired by disaplin not motivation

Looking back in my life it was anything that eventually lead to where I'm at now, just been spoken to about God really would be the first thing I would say.
 
GWH said:
How about faith is not sight/proof, therefore it must be opinion 2Cor. 5:7?

I don't know about you, but my father was very loving, so I had no problem believing that God was perfectly loving,
so I always believed in Him without fearing Him.
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in one way faith can be your opinion, but bare in mind when you read the bible your reading a person personal faith unique to them, from an understanding they gained from God speaking to them, coming from the faith of the lord, in which you can form an opinion over.

How ever your own growth in believing is good as I do believe the conversion for someone with the right upbringing can be a breeze.
 
Jordon said:
I dont really get by in life with motivation, with me I would say I'm discipline, myself where I have to discipline myself to do everyday tasks.

Motivation can be a good thing but it often involves being motivated for a reason, that's only the start, to carry on in that motivation I believe I have to discipline myself,

So I believe I'm wired by disaplin not motivation

Looking back in my life it was anything that eventually lead to where I'm at now, just been spoken to about God really would be the first thing I would say.
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Okay, and I would be interested to know more about your life if you can remember details, such as who spoke to you about God,
which in my case was my parents, my Sunday School teachers, my pastors and my friends. Thus, you are right to say conversion
for me was a breeze. I would have no excuse for not being a Christian, although such a testimony is rather boring.
 
GWH said:
Okay, and I would be interested to know more about your life if you can remember details, such as who spoke to you about God,
which in my case was my parents, my Sunday School teachers, my pastors and my friends. Thus, you are right to say conversion
for me was a breeze. I would have no excuse for not being a Christian, although such a testimony is rather boring.
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My father was like most fathers loving, wanting the best for his son, with a firm belief in God as was my mother, when ever I need loving they where there when I need to be disciplined or chastised they where there,
A lot of there beliefs would often be centred around how God would approach things.

Like cleanliness love prayer, wisdom,
 
Paul also lived by a code of self disaplin
But I discipline my body and keep it under control,[a] lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified

I belief so, to and I believe it was so he didn't become a spiritual counterfeit,

But I believe he disciplined himself in many ways.
One would be living by God's grace and will was his main discipline,
 
Paul's self disaplin to living by God's will, I believe it was so he could never surrender Gods will.

I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

Perfect will ? what was his perfect will.

His will is perfect. I have to believe that, then I have to learn every aspect of his will and what he treasures in his will , then I have to never surrender his will once I have self disciplined myself in God's will in the treasures of God's will.
 
Jordon said:
My father was like most fathers loving, wanting the best for his son, with a firm belief in God as was my mother, when ever I need loving they where there when I need to be disciplined or chastised they where there,
A lot of there beliefs would often be centred around how God would approach things.

Like cleanliness love prayer, wisdom,
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Okay, so don't you credit them with influencing your conversion?
 
GWH said:
Okay, so don't you credit them with influencing your conversion?
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I expressed how I came to believe in my post or wasn't that clear enough to you, ? I made it clear in my post how my parents taught me about God.
I'll make it clear again my parents taught me about all about God right through my childhood. which i will be always thankful for, my mum was blessed with wisdom and insight, and I love sharing my parents walk as I have done many times already here,

I shared with you already in another post, with you remember.
Because you where talking about family. But right now I'm feeling pretty annoyed that you even have to ask such a question.

Do you think I should carry on talking to you now ? Since any mature Christian that you say your are should even need to ask a question.

Don't you ?

Why don't you credit your parents.

What part of you thinks I don't credit my loving parents

You've really done it now buddy

Strike 3 for you with me now
 
Going back to Paul's teachings

Permissive will who knows about permissive will.

I'll look forward to your answers and insight into permissive will
.

My permissive will right now is I will tolerant for so long then there comes a point when I have end relationships

@GWH who had been doing his best to insult me is now permanently on ignore.

Hopefully he will get that message.

So permissive will can be seen in discipline for anyone wanting a good talk about God's will, it can also be seen in love.
 
Jordon said:
Going back to Paul's teachings

Permissive will who knows about permissive will.

I'll look forward to your answers and insight into permissive will
.

My permissive will right now is I will tolerant for so long then there comes a point when I have end relationships

@GWH who had been doing his best to insult me is now permanently on ignore.

Hopefully he will get that message.

So permissive will can be seen in discipline for anyone wanting a good talk about God's will, it can also be seen in love.
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You felt insulted by me asking whether your parents' influence was the main reason you believe in Christ?! I apologize.
I did not realize it was such a sensitive question for you. For me, I praise the Lord for my loving parents and cite them
as examples of God's plan A for parenting. :love:
 
GWH said:
How about faith is not sight/proof, therefore it must be opinion 2Cor. 5:7?

I don't know about you, but my father was very loving, so I had no problem believing that God was perfectly loving,
so I always believed in Him without fearing Him.

However, later in life I realized that those who reject the love of the Lord should fear experiencing a just hell,
so both love and fear should motivate an atheist to repent.
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when you apologize it should be done with sincerity not on the base it was my fault.
 
Jordon said:
when you apologize it should be done with sincerity not on the base it was my fault.
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I think you meant to reply to #215, but I sincerely did not mean to offend you
and I sincerely do not understand why you felt offended.
Where did I say something was your fault?
 
GWH said:
I think you meant to reply to #215, but I sincerely did not mean to offend you
and I sincerely do not understand why you felt offended.
Where did I say something was your fault?
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I dont see how you could possibly know or not know whether I credit my parents.

Only I know that, and its not a question you should ask someone who has lost there mum.

On the other hand if you would have asked your question another way I might have felt comfortable.

But it's not the only time you've been impolite,

From right out of nowhere you said

I want to know about your father.

You want to know ?

That's a Strange way of asking somebody that question especially since we where not even talking about my family ?

Then there the other rude remarks you've made.

But no I don't suppose you can understand
 
Jordon said:
I dont see how you could possibly know or not know whether I credit my parents.

Only I know that, and its not a question you should ask someone who has lost there mum.
On the other hand if you would have asked your question another way I might have felt comfortable.
But it's not the only time you've been impolite,
From right out of nowhere you said
I want to know about your father.
You want to know ?
That's a Strange way of asking somebody that question especially since we where not even talking about my family ?
Then there the other rude remarks you've made.
But no I don't suppose you can understand
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I appreciate your explanation, and I am sorry about your loss but hope you are comforted by her being in heaven.
The reason I mentioned our fathers is because I think some people doubt God's love if their "Christian" dad is unloving.
Now that you understand my explanation, I trust you can understand that I was not being rude but merely direct.
 
GWH said:
I appreciate your explanation, and I am sorry about your loss but hope you are comforted by her being in heaven.
The reason I mentioned our fathers is because I think some people doubt God's love if their "Christian" dad is unloving.
Now that you understand my explanation, I trust you can understand that I was not being rude but merely direct.
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and then what ?

All parents can be unloving there human

And if I had given you the answer you where looking for about my parents, then what ? Would that give you the right to then decide my personality ?
Or give you more right to start talking to me more about my parent.

What would you have me do look back my parents life for wrong doings and publicly Shame my parents.



You know now that I've got your answer as to why you asked in the first place, and confirmed what I thought.

I feel even more obliged to put you on ignore.
 
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