The Teachings of Paul (TOP)
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Yep God can condem unbelief through people like Paul, but unbelievers can be condemned by God to, by his inherent will in everyone
Hebrews 4:13
Further clarification for his will be inherent to everyone is the bible passage that says God rules over the heathen ( unbelievers )
Its quite often seen by there sinful nature and there free will which is the law of sin starting to worship themselves rather than take notice
Yep God can condem unbelief through people like Paul, but unbelievers can be condemned by God to, by his inherent will in everyone
Hebrews 4:13
Further clarification for his will be inherent to everyone is the bible passage that says God rules over the heathen ( unbelievers )
Its quite often seen by there sinful nature and there free will which is the law of sin starting to worship themselves rather than take notice
Yes, all sin is inherently I-dolatry: worshipping one's own will instead of cooperating with GW.
Let's pretend we all have a conscience and allow for some individuality. If I wear jeans, am I offending some holiness people who do not allow that and all the women must have a bun and ankle or below knee dresses only? And are they not believers in Jesus also albeit with rules to help people be that modest example of someone with no desires other than appearance?
Hmmm. That might be a cache 22 actually
Further, Paul would prob be shocked by todays wardrobes and that includes men. I remember one time in a church some years back, a guy in the 'worship' team had shorts on (Sunday am) and when he sat down, well you had to look elsewhere. It's a real hodge podge out there.
Should Christians maybe wear uniforms? Like girl scouts or the Salvation army?
In the end, and quite frankly, what I wear to church is a little more buttoned up then what I wear shopping or visiting. My natural tendency is not to dress provocatively but again, I am that way anyway, prob from too much male attention (my teeth were not crooked) that I didn't want.
I have seen an awful lot of things in different churches (have moved quite bit) and I find the hair buns the most offensive.
Let's pretend we all have a conscience and allow for some individuality. If I wear jeans, am I offending some holiness people who do not allow that and all the women must have a bun and ankle or below knee dresses only? And are they not believers in Jesus also albeit with rules to help people be that modest example of someone with no desires other than appearance?
Hmmm. That might be a cache 22 actually
Further, Paul would prob be shocked by todays wardrobes and that includes men. I remember one time in a church some years back, a guy in the 'worship' team had shorts on (Sunday am) and when he sat down, well you had to look elsewhere. It's a real hodge podge out there.
Should Christians maybe wear uniforms? Like girl scouts or the Salvation army?
In the end, and quite frankly, what I wear to church is a little more buttoned up then what I wear shopping or visiting. My natural tendency is not to dress provocatively but again, I am that way anyway, prob from too much male attention (my teeth were not crooked) that I didn't want.
I have seen an awful lot of things in different churches (have moved quite bit) and I find the hair buns the most offensive.
Yes, dressing "modestly" is tricky and is rather culture-specific and situational.
For example, it would not be appropriate for someone to wear a modest bathing suit into a shopping center or church.
Also, we should notice that the emphasis of Paul was on being clothed with good works becoming a professed Christian
(cf. Gal. 3:27, Eph. 4:24, Col. 3:10-12).
TOP #233: Overseers and deacons of churches along with their wives must be mature Christians. [1Tim. 3:1-13, Tit. 1:5-9] The parameters cited by Paul include: monogamy, temperate, self-controlled/not quick-tempered, gentle/nonviolent, not overbearing/dictatorial, able to teach, hospitable, sober, peaceable, not a lover of money who pursues dishonest gain, able to manage his own family, not a recent convert and having a good reputation with nonbelievers.
Most of these virtues are commanded for every Christian: monogamous (1Cor. 7:1-2), temperate (Eph. 5:18), self-controlled (Gal. 5:23), gentle/nonviolent (Gal. 5:23), hospitable (Rom. 12:13), sober/humble (Rom. 12:3), peace-seeking (Rom. 12:17-18), not greedy/money-loving (1Tim. 6:8-10), good parent (Eph. 6:4, Col. 3:21), having a good reputation (1Thes. 4:12). Only three of them seem specific to church leaders: able to teach (Eph. 4:11) a mature Christian (Eph. 4:13) and firm but not dictatorial (2Tim. 2:25 & 4:2, Tit. 2:7-8&15).
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"regarding forgiveness of sins "by faith in Him"is proclaimed. [ACTS 13:16-39][/QUOTE]"
By faith/trust in the death of Jesus Christ AS payment for OUR Sins
All sin is punishable by death, all transgressions of the Torah.
without Jesus Christ coming to earth knowingly and willingly to suffer death, all humanity would never live again.
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TOP #4: Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. [
# 4 is the "big one" taught by what is called "Christianty". Just utter some words and you will be saved from that day forward -- period, done deal!
Never are all the other admonitions, instructions, requirements mentioned.
Here is one in Revelation. Jesus Christ, through the Apostle John, warns those the Father calls to Christ, they must overcome Satan, this evil world and their own human nature and endure until the end.
Yes I read only "overcoming" is listed in Revelation 3 -- but all the other requirements can easily be found in the New Testament.
Revelation 3
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Christ did not tell John to write, "To him that utters the magic words "I Believe"
The doctrine of Grace is now preached, you are accepted just as you are, no actions, just words from your mouth. Grace can be explained as the "get out of jail for free card". shout "I believe" and you are on your way to heaven.
Christ also warns in the four "Gospels" those that will be given the gift of eternal life , are Few in numbers. I would guess that excludes the mega churches filled with the rich.
Yes, it is wrong to prooftext and ignore the other 314 TOP and 205 TOJ, etc.
Yes, believers overcome Satan by believing in Jesus as Messiah, the Lord incarnate, from conversion until death.
Actually, Christ DID tell John to write "Believe in Jesus Christ" (John 3:16, 1John 3:23).
Sinners are forgiven and viewed as sharing the righteousness of Christ because of their genuine saving faith in JC (Rom. 3:21-5:11).
This truth includes both rich and poor people.
TOP #234: Christians may abandon their faith or commit apostasy if they are deceived by demons. [1Tim. 4:1] This is why the need for perseverance is an implicit part of the Gospel (TOP #20, 29, 50, 72, 99, 115, etc.).
>>> TOP #20: Those who persevere in seeking God’s salvation will receive eternal life. [Rom. 2:7-8&10, cf. 3:22-24 & 6:23b] Paul explains in detail that seeking to earn salvation by obeying moral law perfectly is impossible, so we should accept God’s plan of salvation/election (s/e) via faith in the Gospel of Christ’s atonement. Seeking echoes what Jesus commanded (in Matt. 7:7) and connects with the doctrine of perseverance (cf. Heb. 10:36 & Jam. 1:3-4).
>>>TOP #29: The HS’s love while suffering produces perseverance and moral character. [Rom. 5:3-5] Without God’s love believers would lose hope and fail to keep on believing and developing moral maturity.
>>>TOP #50: God does not reject people, but He allows them to be obstinate and disobedient. [Rom. 10:21-11:2a] Even though souls may be unfaithful, God will remain faithful, although if believers commit apostasy or disown God, then He will also disown them (2Tim. 2:12-13).
>>>TOP #72: Scripture was written to teach us to persevere in the hope of salvation. [Rom. 15:4-5a] Paul states this truth more fully in 2Tim. 3:14-17.
>>>TOP #99: The story of the Israelites in the wilderness following the exodus from Egypt is an example and warning for Christians not to be complacent and fail to persevere. [1Cor. 10:6-12]
>>>TOJ #60: Stand firm to the end. [Mat. 10:17-22] This passage teaches the need for perseverance rather than choosing to commit apostasy. We must accept the risk of being rejected by anti-Christians without letting it quench our enthusiasm {Matt. 24:13, Mark 13:13}. Luke’s wording seems to imply a temporal benefit {Luke 21:18-19}. In John’s gospel the need for perseverance (and implicitly the possibility of apostasy) is indicated by the phrase “remain in me” {John 15:4-10}.
>>> TOP #20: Those who persevere in seeking God’s salvation will receive eternal life. [Rom. 2:7-8&10, cf. 3:22-24 & 6:23b] Paul explains in detail that seeking to earn salvation by obeying moral law perfectly is impossible, so we should accept God’s plan of salvation/election (s/e) via faith in the Gospel of Christ’s atonement. Seeking echoes what Jesus commanded (in Matt. 7:7) and connects with the doctrine of perseverance (cf. Heb. 10:36 & Jam. 1:3-4).
>>>TOP #29: The HS’s love while suffering produces perseverance and moral character. [Rom. 5:3-5] Without God’s love believers would lose hope and fail to keep on believing and developing moral maturity.
>>>TOP #50: God does not reject people, but He allows them to be obstinate and disobedient. [Rom. 10:21-11:2a] Even though souls may be unfaithful, God will remain faithful, although if believers commit apostasy or disown God, then He will also disown them (2Tim. 2:12-13).
>>>TOP #72: Scripture was written to teach us to persevere in the hope of salvation. [Rom. 15:4-5a] Paul states this truth more fully in 2Tim. 3:14-17.
>>>TOP #99: The story of the Israelites in the wilderness following the exodus from Egypt is an example and warning for Christians not to be complacent and fail to persevere. [1Cor. 10:6-12]
>>>TOJ #60: Stand firm to the end. [Mat. 10:17-22] This passage teaches the need for perseverance rather than choosing to commit apostasy. We must accept the risk of being rejected by anti-Christians without letting it quench our enthusiasm {Matt. 24:13, Mark 13:13}. Luke’s wording seems to imply a temporal benefit {Luke 21:18-19}. In John’s gospel the need for perseverance (and implicitly the possibility of apostasy) is indicated by the phrase “remain in me” {John 15:4-10}.
TOP #235: False teachings include forbidding marriage and abstaining from good food. [1Tim. 4:2-5, cf. TOP #227] The issue regarding food sacrificed to idols is TOP #96, but perhaps this teaching includes dietary restrictions Moses gave the Israelites, which Paul called “godless myths and old wives’ tales” (v.7).
>>>TOP #227: Christians must not teach false doctrines about myths, genealogies and the law. [1Tim. 1:3-7, 4:7, 6:3-5, 2Tim. 4:4 & Tit. 1:14] Such doctrines promote controversy rather than faith in the Gospel and love.
Paul seems to have developed a concern about myths by the time of writing these pastoral epistles. The term is not defined, but it seems to include interpretations of the OT Torah that contradict the Gospel and that value a person’s family tree more than Christ’s cross. In 4:7 they are called godless and old wives’ tales. In 6:3-5 Paul condemns those who teach false doctrines for having an “unhealthy interest in controversies and arguments that result in envy, quarreling, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction”. In Tit. 1:10-14, Paul identifies one of the denominations he has in mind as “those of the circumcision group”, which means those who taught that GRFS is obedience of OT laws. This doctrine is also condemned by Paul in Gal. 2:11-16.
>>>TOP #204: Observing the Sabbath or other laws not reaffirmed in the NT is optional. [Col. 2:16-17 & 21-23, cf. Rom. 14, TOP #70] Such laws are optional because they are not part of the eternal moral code, but even observing those is not the way to obtain salvation and the HS.
>>>TOP #205: Do not be led astray by those who advocate false humility, angel worship or seeing visions. [Col. 2:18-19] This surely applies to those who elevate monasticism, adoration of saints and mysticism above faith in Christ.
>>>TOP #131: Do not pervert the Gospel of Christ by reverting to belief that salvation is earned via observing the law. [Gal. 1:6-9, 5:1-12] Such doctrine is anathema or condemned (1Cor. 16:22). The purpose of the law of Moses was to lead people to faith in Christ (Gal. 3:22-24). This truth is akin to TOP #37.
In chapter three Paul illustrated obtaining salvation via faith by sharing the example of Abraham that is also cited in Romans 4 (TOP #26). Paul said we are redeemed from the curse of the law because by faith believers receive God’s Spirit (cf. TOP #27). He also stressed that the promise or covenant made with Abraham included his “seed”, referring to Christ, and the law Moses introduced 430 years later cannot annul it, so the purpose of the law was to specify sins rather than to serve as the means of attaining righteousness (Gal. 3:15-22).
>>>TOP #132: Now that the Gospel has been revealed, the Mosaic law no longer keeps us prisoners. [Gal. 3:25] This truth is also taught in Heb. 7:18-10:1 by saying the old Mosaic law or covenant (not Abrahamic) has been superseded by the new covenant of Christ, the Gospel. Saving faith makes souls sons/children of God (TOP #38).
>>>TOP #227: Christians must not teach false doctrines about myths, genealogies and the law. [1Tim. 1:3-7, 4:7, 6:3-5, 2Tim. 4:4 & Tit. 1:14] Such doctrines promote controversy rather than faith in the Gospel and love.
Paul seems to have developed a concern about myths by the time of writing these pastoral epistles. The term is not defined, but it seems to include interpretations of the OT Torah that contradict the Gospel and that value a person’s family tree more than Christ’s cross. In 4:7 they are called godless and old wives’ tales. In 6:3-5 Paul condemns those who teach false doctrines for having an “unhealthy interest in controversies and arguments that result in envy, quarreling, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction”. In Tit. 1:10-14, Paul identifies one of the denominations he has in mind as “those of the circumcision group”, which means those who taught that GRFS is obedience of OT laws. This doctrine is also condemned by Paul in Gal. 2:11-16.
>>>TOP #204: Observing the Sabbath or other laws not reaffirmed in the NT is optional. [Col. 2:16-17 & 21-23, cf. Rom. 14, TOP #70] Such laws are optional because they are not part of the eternal moral code, but even observing those is not the way to obtain salvation and the HS.
>>>TOP #205: Do not be led astray by those who advocate false humility, angel worship or seeing visions. [Col. 2:18-19] This surely applies to those who elevate monasticism, adoration of saints and mysticism above faith in Christ.
>>>TOP #131: Do not pervert the Gospel of Christ by reverting to belief that salvation is earned via observing the law. [Gal. 1:6-9, 5:1-12] Such doctrine is anathema or condemned (1Cor. 16:22). The purpose of the law of Moses was to lead people to faith in Christ (Gal. 3:22-24). This truth is akin to TOP #37.
In chapter three Paul illustrated obtaining salvation via faith by sharing the example of Abraham that is also cited in Romans 4 (TOP #26). Paul said we are redeemed from the curse of the law because by faith believers receive God’s Spirit (cf. TOP #27). He also stressed that the promise or covenant made with Abraham included his “seed”, referring to Christ, and the law Moses introduced 430 years later cannot annul it, so the purpose of the law was to specify sins rather than to serve as the means of attaining righteousness (Gal. 3:15-22).
>>>TOP #132: Now that the Gospel has been revealed, the Mosaic law no longer keeps us prisoners. [Gal. 3:25] This truth is also taught in Heb. 7:18-10:1 by saying the old Mosaic law or covenant (not Abrahamic) has been superseded by the new covenant of Christ, the Gospel. Saving faith makes souls sons/children of God (TOP #38).
TOP #236: God’s POS includes all souls potentially but is effective for those who believe His Gospel. [1Tim. 4:8-10] Paul called cooperating with GW “godliness” and said its training is superior to physical exercise because it goes beyond earthly health by resulting in heavenly life.
>>>TOP #247: Christians should be content with the blessing of bare necessities for life, because the love of money causes all kinds of evil. [1Tim. 6:5-10, 2Tim. 3:2] Those who preach godliness in order to make money are corrupt and stray from faith in Christ (cf. 6:21 & TOJ #38&40). All kinds of evil are listed in 2Tim. 3:2-4.
>>>TOP #248: Christians should fight the good fight of faith by pursuing godliness. [1Tim. 6:11-12, 2Tim. 2:3-7] Godliness connotes righteousness, love, gentleness and persevering faith. By means of saving faith that produces godly fruit, souls cooperate with their calling to eternal life. This “fight” is called being a good soldier in the second passage, where it is also compared to athletic training and working as a farmer.
>>>TOP #254: In the last days people will reject God and be lovers of themselves (I-dolaters). [2Tim. 3:1-9] Symptoms of this terrible time include: love of money, pride, abusiveness, disrespect for parents, ingratitude, lack of love, forgiveness and self-control, slander and love of pleasure rather than of good. Such idolatry and its symptoms is related to TOP #10-15, 21, 101, etc.
>>>TOP #255: By learning Scripture Christians may be wise regarding correct doctrine, rebuking and righteousness, becoming equipped for doing good works. [2Tim. 3:14-17&4:5] This a significant nuance or elaboration of TOP #157 & 202. Paul applies it by charging Timothy with preaching God’s Word, correcting false doctrine, rebuking sin and encouraging persevering faith.
>>>TOP #256: The time will come when many will reject true teachings in order to do what they desire. [2Tim. 4:3-4, Tit. 1:14] Instead, they will believe human traditions (cf. TOP #202, 204, 205), which Paul called “myths” here and in TOP #227 & 235.
>>>TOP #247: Christians should be content with the blessing of bare necessities for life, because the love of money causes all kinds of evil. [1Tim. 6:5-10, 2Tim. 3:2] Those who preach godliness in order to make money are corrupt and stray from faith in Christ (cf. 6:21 & TOJ #38&40). All kinds of evil are listed in 2Tim. 3:2-4.
>>>TOP #248: Christians should fight the good fight of faith by pursuing godliness. [1Tim. 6:11-12, 2Tim. 2:3-7] Godliness connotes righteousness, love, gentleness and persevering faith. By means of saving faith that produces godly fruit, souls cooperate with their calling to eternal life. This “fight” is called being a good soldier in the second passage, where it is also compared to athletic training and working as a farmer.
>>>TOP #254: In the last days people will reject God and be lovers of themselves (I-dolaters). [2Tim. 3:1-9] Symptoms of this terrible time include: love of money, pride, abusiveness, disrespect for parents, ingratitude, lack of love, forgiveness and self-control, slander and love of pleasure rather than of good. Such idolatry and its symptoms is related to TOP #10-15, 21, 101, etc.
>>>TOP #255: By learning Scripture Christians may be wise regarding correct doctrine, rebuking and righteousness, becoming equipped for doing good works. [2Tim. 3:14-17&4:5] This a significant nuance or elaboration of TOP #157 & 202. Paul applies it by charging Timothy with preaching God’s Word, correcting false doctrine, rebuking sin and encouraging persevering faith.
>>>TOP #256: The time will come when many will reject true teachings in order to do what they desire. [2Tim. 4:3-4, Tit. 1:14] Instead, they will believe human traditions (cf. TOP #202, 204, 205), which Paul called “myths” here and in TOP #227 & 235.
WOW, don't need to repent.
Don't need to get rid of our sins.
And don't need the Holy Ghost.
Tell me why did JESUS come to this earth and become a man???
I like it everyone goes to Heaven, you can follow Satan your whole life, rape, murder, drunker, abusive, foul language ANYTHING you like and just say those words " I BELIVE" just before you die.
These foke were real serious about working for JESUS and HE SENT THEM TO HELL.
Matthew 7:21-23
King James Version
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Someone should have given them the message, just say "I BELIEVE".
Why would someone do work for HIM their whole life, casting out devils, doing wonderful works, all of that and not believe? Or say those words "I BELIEVE".
He forgot that one day he was letting people walk around naked in his garden.
we won't mention nude beaches then