Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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I would encourage you to do the studies. It would give a better perspective on what we are saying.

They are some very serious and thought provoking studies.(y)
7 times. Sounds serious n'est-ce pas?

[Rev 2:7, 11, 17, 29 KJV] 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. ...

11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. ...

17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it]. ...

29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
[Rev 3:6, 13, 22 KJV]

6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. ...

13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. ...

22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
 
That was a lot of wasted words.
Would have been a lot less if you comprehended what was actually said.

Here is one example of God giving drawing grace to those who turned out to be evil after they rejected the drawing of God.
Romans 1:18-23
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and
wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may
be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world, God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power
and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been
made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him,
but their thinking became futile, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they
claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God
for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.


Now... read on to verse 28!
Get a gander at some of the worst kinds of sinners who at one time were being drawn by the grace of God!

SBS
[Zec 7:11 KJV] 11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
 
In fact Adam needed no power to resist since he did not have a choice anyways.

The whole idea of him having power to resist eating from the Tree of Life is ridiculous anyways.

I would ask where people are getting such ideas to spin their yarns, but I know...
I remain unconvinced. Verily.
 
I would encourage you to do the studies. It would give a better perspective on what we are saying.

They are some very serious and thought provoking studies.(y)

Yes....I'm sure they are. That's why you were unable to answer my questions. (n)
 
[Zec 7:11 KJV] 11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.

There's no "drawing" by God even remotely hinted at in the Romans passage. Natural and Intuitive Revelations are products of God's common grace that is given to all mankind w/o exception.
 
Just remember, Mr. Worthy One, that justice is the flip side to the righteousness coin. You want what you think you so richly deserve? Stay tuned. You'll get it...


You keep putting words in my mouth when I am only citing divine principle.

God only honors a person when he sees His own righteousness manifested in a believer.

The big problem in obtaining that status with God?
It requires sound doctrine that one submitted to in order to receive transformation by the Spirit.

And, God has provided such sound doctrinal teachings for those who truly desire to know Him.

2 Corinthians 3:17-18
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being
transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the
Lord, who is the Spirit.

Only sound doctrine can cause such an action.
The more transformed we become into his image, the more God is able to bless a person without strings attached.

Pushing one's way though by wishing to dominate from a position of ignorance, leads to arrogance and self-righteousness.
The very things Jesus was resisted by in religious men.

Hello Champ! How ya doin?

grace and peace....
 
[Zec 7:11 KJV] 11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.

Nobody will be with excuse after God offers every needed grace option not to fail.
 
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You keep putting words in my mouth when I am only citing divine principle.

God only honors a person when he sees His own righteousness manifested in a believer.

The big problem in obtaining that status with God?
It requires sound doctrine that one submitted to in order to receive transformation by the Spirit.

And, God has provided such sound doctrinal teachings for those who truly desire to know Him.

2 Corinthians 3:17-18
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being
transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the
Lord, who is the Spirit.

Only sound doctrine can cause such an action.
The more transformed we become into his image, the more God is able to bless a person without strings attached.

Pushing one's way though by wishing to dominate from a position of ignorance, leads to arrogance and self-righteousness.
The very things Jesus was resisted by in religious men.

Hello Champ! How ya doin?

grace and peace....

I have not put words in your mouth. In fact, your own mouth condemns you...and now you want to backtrack from your stated sentiments that God owes all mankind his grace? You cannot even see grace or acknowledge it as being God's unmerited favor because that would be a huge fly in your heretical ointment.
 
Nobody will be with excuse after God offers every needed grace option not to fail.

Except for Satan and all his fallen angels. On the Last Day, they all get to squawk, scream, yell and complain to God that they have an excuse because He made no gracious provision for their salvation. :rolleyes:
 
7 times. Sounds serious n'est-ce pas?

[Rev 2:7, 11, 17, 29 KJV] 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. ...

11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. ...

17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it]. ...

29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
[Rev 3:6, 13, 22 KJV]

6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. ...

13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. ...

22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
is This without the lords help or all by himself ?
 
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1 Corinthians 3 v 19-21a, 1 Corinthians 1 v 19 ~ The wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness.” And again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.” Therefore, stop boasting in men. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
 
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Nobody will be with excuse after God offers every needed grace option not to fail.

“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-8‬ ‭

It seems like We’d all be in without the gospel that day without this word from the judge

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So how could his word affect my judgement ?
Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:

condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:

forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬

“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42‬ ‭

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So then what’s paul actually saying in Roman’s two ?

“You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. ( just one sinner judging the other sinner )

Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. ( it’s because of what they do )

So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance? But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:1-5‬ ‭NIV‬‬

hes not saying you have to be perfect he’s saying you have to stop judging other sinners because your condemning yourself just like Jesus taught in the gospel . teaching this type of thing in Roman’s two telling them to repent from judging one another

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We can face mercy at judgement or no mercy just judgement depending on how we treat others . If we aren’t merciful and won’t give others grace when we recognize thier flaws and sins that’s how well also be judged regarding our own flaws and sins

were all less than perfect and need mercy at judgement if we can’t give mercy and grace to others that’s what we are going to receive

“For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We should learn to focus on our own flaws and sins rather than everyone else’s is the message because I only have to answer for what I do and say not for anyone else’s deeds and words I should be trying to keep my
Own actions and words corrected. Because if I become the judge of others I’m kind of going n the wrong seat it belongs to the big guy who suffered and died for thier soul

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬






 
Would that be Adam bore the sin ?

Or what did Adam do perfectly in gen 3

there are many ways in which he prefigures Christ.

the first husband and first wife prefigure Christ our Husband and the church His betrothed bride.

out of his death and resurrection, Woman was created, just as Christ died and rose, and from this the church.

he gave her a new name, as Christ will also give us new names on white stones.

firstborn and Firstborn, only begotten.

not from the garden and put in it to tend it, not of this world but entered into it to reconcile it.

Woman was deceived and poisoned, we are rife with false doctrines and backbiting.

because of His great love, Christ laid down His life voluntarily in order to save us. He became sin in order to bear ours.

Adam intentionally chose death. what do you think Adam intended to do? what fits the pattern?
 
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Bible doctrine. Face to face, literally face to face teaching from God.

Based on the integrity of God. God gave Adam and Eve everything they needed to be successful in every circumstance that came their way.....It is our choice to utilize His plan for us or not.
ok and what power did they have after fall ? What power did they have between fall and God clothing them. And what power did have after God clothed them

Apparently they had power and they both made an honest confession to God after the fall ? but yet Adam was given a 900 year sentence of punishment.

It's a bit of a dilemma because,
Take this for instance, the maximum sentence is 23 years in prison for a 26 year old committing a certain type of murder for in the UK

But yet a 15 year old only gets 17 years in prison. So for the same act of murder, theres only a 5 year difference, because a 15 year old is considered less accountable than a 16 year old.

But Adam was given a sentence for his whole life until the day he gave up the ghost in his body.

I would say his confession was worthless, and he was held completely accountable for his sin of disobedience and not only that but his sin of accepting satans offering. Not only that his sin of letting his wife sin

What do you think ?
 
there are many ways in which he prefigures Christ.

the first husband and first wife prefigure Christ our Husband and the church His betrothed bride.

out of his death and resurrection, Woman was created, just as Christ died and rose, and from this the church.

he gave her a new name, as Christ will also give us new names on white stones.

firstborn and Firstborn, only begotten.

not from the garden and put in it to tend it, not of this world but entered into it to reconcile it.

Woman was deceived and poisoned, we are rife with false doctrines and backbiting.

because of His great love, Christ laid down His life voluntarily in order to save us. He became sin in order to bear ours.

Adam intentionally chose death. what do you think Adam intended to do? what fits the pattern?
Adam may have thought he could lay down his life. But that was clearly the wrong one.

What do you think.

According to scripture he was not decieved by satan, so he had the breath of life in him alive in his nature , which would have known satan, as it did do because scripture says he was not decieved by satan.

So if he's not decieved by satan why lay down your life for satan ?
 
there are many ways in which he prefigures Christ.

the first husband and first wife prefigure Christ our Husband and the church His betrothed bride.

out of his death and resurrection, Woman was created, just as Christ died and rose, and from this the church.

he gave her a new name, as Christ will also give us new names on white stones.

firstborn and Firstborn, only begotten.

not from the garden and put in it to tend it, not of this world but entered into it to reconcile it.

Woman was deceived and poisoned, we are rife with false doctrines and backbiting.

because of His great love, Christ laid down His life voluntarily in order to save us. He became sin in order to bear ours.

Adam intentionally chose death. what do you think Adam intended to do? what fits the pattern?
Ok was a type of Christ in a few way but metaphorically speaking, Adam and eve was the fist husband and wife,

And we become the bride and Jesus becomes are husband, see Jesus as the husband and see man and woman as the bride yeah,

And we the children become wed in holy matrimony,

So Jesus layed down his life so that we could become his bride spiritualy.

Adam layed down his life for him and his wife, so that could happen Is this what your saying, or is it , that was always going to happen anyway so Adam did lay down his life by not knowing he was laying down his life for that to happen

Like a foreshadow a metaphorical way of describing it By scripture or it wasn't metaphorical it was deliberate ? It was planned by God
 
there are many ways in which he prefigures Christ.

the first husband and first wife prefigure Christ our Husband and the church His betrothed bride.

out of his death and resurrection, Woman was created, just as Christ died and rose, and from this the church.

he gave her a new name, as Christ will also give us new names on white stones.

firstborn and Firstborn, only begotten.

not from the garden and put in it to tend it, not of this world but entered into it to reconcile it.

Woman was deceived and poisoned, we are rife with false doctrines and backbiting.

because of His great love, Christ laid down His life voluntarily in order to save us. He became sin in order to bear ours.

Adam intentionally chose death. what do you think Adam intended to do? what fits the pattern?
praying for patience in enduring/answerine unlearned questions ...
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