Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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reneweddaybyday said:
I have answered your questions.





nope ... who brought that to your attention?





my profile is accurate ... and you should treat all with respect whether male or female ... just sayin'





yes ... God called Abraham to leave his family in Ur of the Chaldees. And Abraham left with Lot, his nephew. So Abraham did not leave his "people".

The record does not state that faith was imputed to Abraham.

It is not until Gen 15:6 that God indicates righteousness (not faith) was imputed to Abraham ... and the verse states that God imputed righteousness to Abraham when Abraham believed.
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well I'm so pleased you recognise God uses his way to lead people then , and I'm glad you recognise God chose Abraham.

So how About God putting his will into people then,

It's this a possibility 🤔

In the lords prayer it says thy will be done

When you say the lords prayer who's will is that refering to your will or his will,
How can you be delivered from evil today can you do that by your own will or is it his will,

When your lead by temptation today who will leads you away from temptation, his will or your will

Just to be clear do you know that imputing means to be counted as.
And imputing does not mean something as been put into you.

So when it says Abraham's belief was imputed to him as righteousness it means his belief and expression of faith was counted as righteousness imputed to him, like a value

So then God chose abram which you recognise, is there anything else God could of chose for Abram ?
 
posthuman said:
the Bible doesn't call him a type of antichrist.

only you do that.

the Bible calls him a type of Christ.
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being called a type of Christ.

What does it mean to you, does it have a good some important value ?

As it's been suggested Adam was chosen to bore sin inside or something because he then had the power to resist from eating from the tree of life, ( is this not a dangerous idea ).

It's worth noticing that Jesus bore the sins of the of the whole world on his shoulders, which seems to be saying he didn't bore them inside.

So a type of Christ is that meaning he was a foreshadow of Christ only and not an actual type of Christ.

So a word of thought is it possible a foreshadow of Christ is it Adam was chosen to overcome sin, as God said to Cain you can rule over sin.

We know that nobody can overcome sin once it's entered without God.

And Jesus the man could not do anything unless it was Willed by father.
 
posthuman said:
the Bible doesn't call him a type of antichrist.

only you do that.

the Bible calls him a type of Christ.
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so after reading the above post in my last reply to you and Adam being referred to as a type of Christ from people's beliefs and why they feel he was a type of Christ ,

Does this not dismiss those beliefs


When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
 
Jordon said:
so after reading the above post in my last reply to you and Adam being referred to as a type of Christ from people's beliefs and why they feel he was a type of Christ ,

Does this not dismiss those beliefs


When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
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Do you actually read what @posthuman has been saying? All has been answered and answered correctly to a very high standard of logic and scriptural support.

There is no wiggle room remaining.....
 
Jordon said:
Adam being referred to as a type of Christ from people's beliefs and why they feel he was a type of Christ ,
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it is not "people feeling that he is" - - scripture explicitly identifies him as a figure of Christ
 
cv5 said:
Do you actually read what @posthuman has been saying? All has been answered and answered correctly to a very high standard of logic and scriptural support.

There is no wiggle room remaining.....
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when reading I can' read thoughts like yours here but it would be foolish of me to know what what you're actually believing unless you answer,

If your beliefs our different to mine then so be it.

But seeing your reluctant at times to share your beliefs then how can know if you truly believe them.

Do you belief Adam was chosen be a type of Christ that no other man could be ?
 
cv5 said:
Do you actually read what @posthuman has been saying? All has been answered and answered correctly to a very high standard of logic and scriptural support.

There is no wiggle room remaining.....
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if you could answer on all that I wrote please, thanks
 
Jordon said:
being called a type of Christ.

What does it mean to you, does it have a good some important value ?

As it's been suggested Adam was chosen to bore sin inside or something because he then had the power to resist from eating from the tree of life, ( is this not a dangerous idea ).

It's worth noticing that Jesus bore the sins of the of the whole world on his shoulders, which seems to be saying he didn't bore them inside.

So a type of Christ is that meaning he was a foreshadow of Christ only and not an actual type of Christ.

So a word of thought is it possible a foreshadow of Christ is it Adam was chosen to overcome sin, as God said to Cain you can rule over sin.

We know that nobody can overcome sin once it's entered without God.

And Jesus the man could not do anything unless it was Willed by father.
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prefiguring Christ means what is recorded about him and his actions is a typological picture of the things Christ did perfectly.

the entire reason we have Genesis 3 at all is to testify of Christ.
 
posthuman said:
prefiguring Christ means what is recorded about him and his actions is a typological picture of the things Christ did perfectly.

the entire reason we have Genesis 3 at all is to testify of Christ.
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Would that be Adam bore the sin ?

Or what did Adam do perfectly in gen 3
 
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Jordon said:
Would that be Adam bore the sin ?

Or what did Adam do perfectly in gen 3
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This is an excellent point. Jesus didn't commit sin to save us.

While there is no doubt that Adam was a type of Christ, beyond being God's representative for mankind, much else is simply speculation.
 
In post 18322 and post 18323 @posthuman @cv5

All your both being encouraged to say is what you both actually believe

So if you can start by saying I believe Adam was chosen to bore sin if that's your answer then at least we have a starting point to which we can progressively then talk about our beliefs.
 
Genez said:
You just like to lie.
It gives you sense of bravery and power.


  1. of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues
Merciful kindness is just that... "Merciful kindness. "

Merciful kindness can accompany grace.

Grace is grace!
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Great definition: Grace = Grace! :rolleyes:

But just remember one thing, Mr. Wanna-be bible scholar: Since you believe that God is indebted to you, believe also that God's holy nature requires that he be indebted to justice, as well and will give you and everyone else just what you so richly deserve.
 
Cameron143 said:
This is an excellent point. Jesus didn't commit sin to save us.

While there is no doubt that Adam was a type of Christ, beyond being God's representative for mankind, much else is simply speculation.
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no doubt about that one but could Adam have been chosen to bore sin
 
Genez said:
All mankind at some point gets (not deserves) God's grace.

It is given to evil people to leave them to be without excuse when He sends them to the Lake of Fire.

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Liar! Grace is not given to evil people. It's given to the humble; for God detests the proud!

Ps 18:27
27 You save the humble
but bring low those whose eyes are haughty.
NIV

Ps 25:9
9 He guides the humble in what is right
and teaches them his way.
NIV

Ps 76:9
9 When God arose to judgment,
To save all the humble of the earth.
NASB

Ps 101:5b
5b ...Whoever has a haughty look and an arrogant heart
I will not endure.
ESV

Ps 147:6
6 The LORD sustains the humble
but casts the wicked to the ground.
NIV

Ps 149:4
4 For the LORD takes delight in his people;
he crowns the humble with salvation.
NIV

Prov 3:34
34 He mocks proud mockers
but gives grace to the humble .
NIV

Prov 6:16-17
16 There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
NIV

Prov 16:5
5 The LORD detests all the proud of heart.
Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.
NIV

Luke 1:50, 54-55
50 His mercy extends to those who fear him,
from generation to generation...54 He has helped
his servant Israel, remembering to be merciful
55 to Abraham and his descendants forever,
even as he said to our fathers."
NIV

1 Cor 13:4
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
NIV

1 Peter 5:5-7
5 Submit to God, Resist the Devil

Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for

"God resists the proud ,
But gives grace to the humble."

6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time, 7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.
NKJV

James 4:7
6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:

"God resists the proud ,
But gives grace to the humble."
NKJV
 
cv5 said:
Actually @Rufus buddy, you forgot about "successful resisted". Yep.

"not deceived" by Satan
"successful resisted" Satan

And a number of other wonderful attributes as well.

Thanks @Rufus buddy for your attention to this matter.
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How could Adam have resisted Satan since he never was tempted or deceived by him? :rolleyes:
 
posthuman said:


the Bible doesn't call him a type of antichrist.

only you do that.

the Bible calls him a type of Christ.
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Yes, Adam, is a fantastic type of Christ! He has the dubious distinction of being the only contrasting type of Christ in scripture. So, yes, logically speaking Adam can easily be compared to and portrayed as a positive type of devil! See my 18,279.
 
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