Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Jordon]

For pity's man they DID make the "proper confession".
The CONSEQUENCE of this free will confession being that God was satisfied. THEN they were OFFERED (and received in good faith) the "robes of righteousness".

BTW, you are fully responsible (and fully accountable) to discriminate between the con-men, hacks and frauds around here and the legit Bible scholars, scribes and wise men. Good luck to you.

When you share faith you shouldn't keep trying to force your beliefs by making threats, that comes across as bully, your not a bully are you ?

The lord made them a garment of skin before he banished them from the garden, now if you say they had made a proper confession and the garment of skin was a garment of righteousness, why then banish them from the garden. ?

Even with a flaming sword protecting the tree they could still dwell there in righteousness.

So heres what I see and have I taken this to the lord, they where being sent out into the world and a way from a place of privacy, the place of privacy where they once walked sinless innocent and shameless, until sin entered them and they became all the opposite of innocent shameless.

Now skin was something used to cloth people in as well as being used to write something on,

Why did you think this material of skin was some magic cloth ?

If it was then why wasn't it called something else ?.

So do imagine a garment of skin is righteousness,

it could have been any type of skin, it could of been fibre cotton even leather.
Or did you think the act of clothing them was a loving act that proved God loved them, so he'd was also clothed them in righteousness.

But wait he then still banished them from the garden. ?
A garden that they kept.

So let's say ok for your reasoning, some kind of righteousness was imputed to them, was it a thorn in there conscience ? Was it faith
Where they back to normal, innocent and no longer ashamed ?

 

[Jordon]

Day 2 of by the day @reneweddaybyday

So Paul was on his way to do unthinkable things

Until the lord blinded him for a few days,

Was this act by the lord against Paul's will ?

 

[Jordon]

Day 2 of by the day @reneweddaybyday

So Paul was on his way to do unthinkable things

Until the lord blinded him for a few days,

Was this act by the lord against Paul's will ?

 

[GWH]

Day 2 of by the day @reneweddaybyday

So Paul was on his way to do unthinkable things

Until the lord blinded him for a few days,

Was this act by the lord against Paul's will ?

Well, Paul appears to have been a truthseeker, so the Lord educated/enlightened him with understanding that contradicted
his understanding prior to being blinded, so that he saw GW in a new light. However, Paul taught that God's normative way
of leading souls to believe in the Gospel and be saved is via persuasion rather than via physical miracles (2Cor. 5:7).

 

[Jordon]

Well, Paul appears to have been a truthseeker, so the Lord educated/enlightened him with understanding that contradicted
his understanding prior to being blinded, so that he saw GW in a new light. However, Paul taught that God's normative way
of leading souls to believe in the Gospel and be saved is via persuasion rather than via physical miracles (2Cor. 5:7).

and how about you what do you think did the lord go against Paul's will when he blinded him for a few days

 

[Rufus]

Your hormonal raving neither impresses me nor convinces me.

Anymore than your emulation of the father of lies "impresses me or convinces me."

 

[cv5]

When you share faith you shouldn't keep trying to force your beliefs by making threats, that comes across as bully, your not a bully are you ?

The lord made them a garment of skin before he banished them from the garden, now if you say they had made a proper confession and the garment of skin was a garment of righteousness, why then banish them from the garden. ?

Even with a flaming sword protecting the tree they could still dwell there in righteousness.

So heres what I see and have I taken this to the lord, they where being sent out into the world and a way from a place of privacy, the place of privacy where they once walked sinless innocent and shameless, until sin entered them and they became all the opposite of innocent shameless.

Now skin was something used to cloth people in as well as being used to write something on,

Why did you think this material of skin was some magic cloth ?

If it was then why wasn't it called something else ?.

So do imagine a garment of skin is righteousness,

it could have been any type of skin, it could of been fibre cotton even leather.
Or did you think the act of clothing them was a loving act that proved God loved them, so he'd was also clothed them in righteousness.

But wait he then still banished them from the garden. ?
A garden that they kept.

So let's say ok for your reasoning, some kind of righteousness was imputed to them, was it a thorn in there conscience ? Was it faith
Where they back to normal, innocent and no longer ashamed ?

I call to your attention the fact that the "covering of skins" is the Biblical archetype of the covering that WE receive.
It is also a metaphor for "covered by the blood".

What is more, it is one aspect of the 4 specific requirements needed to meet God face to face per Leviticus 16 (garments, blood, washed, with the proper aroma/formulation of incense), all of which Christ PROVIDES for us. You should know this and the NT passages that prove it.

Did @Rufus and @Magenta fail to tell you of these crucially important matters? Well. I think that you are grazing in the wrong pasture there buddy. Enjoy your weeds and thistles and thorns they are feeding you, while I feast on good green grass.

Rev 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev 3:18
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Rev 4:4
And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Rev 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

 

[GWH]

and how about you what do you think did the lord go against Paul's will when he blinded him for a few days

No, because a TSer is willing to amend his will/learn new beliefs.
Now, from the time Paul encountered Stephen until the time he encountered Christ Paul thought it was the Christians
who were going against God's will (Acts 8:1 & 9:1, cf. Gal. 1:13-16).

 

[Rufus]

That's one passage there many things that are to use in his will and be made known , and I feel strongly there is something very important in his will that only he knows who will be saved.

So I feel this will all the time it stops me in my tracks even when I've got somebody telling me I'm going to hell.

It kicks in more then, even when someone is demonising me Rufus, it doesn't stop me from believing and surrendering his will, to the point where you take the action there taking and surrender his will, where by you tell them the same.

It gets more of will the more you do it

So then...are you just as agnostic when it comes to the salvation of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, David, Samuel, Elijah, Elisha to name but a few in the OT or Peter, James, John, John the Baptist, Mary, Mary Magdalene, Elizabeth, Zacharias, Paul, Silas, Barnabas, Timothy in the NT etc.? According to what you wrote, none of us can know who the good guys and bad guys in scripture are because that is only known to God, right?

 

[Jordon]

So then...are you just as agnostic when it comes to the salvation of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, David, Samuel, Elijah, Elisha to name but a few in the OT or Peter, James, John, John the Baptist, Mary, Mary Magdalene, Elizabeth, Zacharias, Paul, Silas, Barnabas, Timothy in the NT etc.? According to what you wrote, none of us can know who the good guys and bad guys in scripture are because that is only known to God, right?

did I say nothing can be known ?
What is known is that only Gods knows who will be saved before there born, not even you will know when it's happend, only he will know by your time spent with him, which he knows before your born.

It may be you dont fully know at this point but there's assurance in knowing is will and not to surrender his will.

 

[Jordon]

I call to your attention the fact that the "covering of skins" is the Biblical archetype of the covering that WE receive.
It is also a metaphor for "covered by the blood".

What is more, it is one aspect of the 4 specific requirements needed to meet God face to face per Leviticus 16 (garments, blood, washed, with the proper aroma/formulation of incense), all of which Christ PROVIDES for us. You should know this and the NT passages that prove it.

Did @Rufus and @Magenta fail to tell you of these crucially important matters? Well. I think that you are grazing in the wrong pasture there buddy. Enjoy your weeds and thistles and thorns they are feeding you, while I feast on good green grass.

Rev 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev 3:18
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Rev 4:4
And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Rev 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

ok thanks for sharing your faith buddy, enjoy the grass too I'll have a little chat about it later when I head isn't going bonkers

 

[Jordon]

No, because a TSer is willing to amend his will/learn new beliefs.
Now, from the time Paul encountered Stephen until the time he encountered Christ Paul thought it was the Christians
who were going against God's will (Acts 8:1 & 9:1, cf. Gal. 1:13-16).

ok no it is then for you no probs

 

[cv5]

No, because a TSer is willing to amend his will/learn new beliefs.

Indubidably.
Not only that, the true seeker knows the truth when (finally) he hears it, and flees from the former error, never to return.

Take heed @Jordon ......

 

[Rufus]

For pity's man they DID make the "proper confession".
The CONSEQUENCE of this free will confession being that God was satisfied. THEN they were OFFERED (and received in good faith) the "robes of righteousness".

BTW, you are fully responsible (and fully accountable) to discriminate between the con-men, hacks and frauds around here and the legit Bible scholars, scribes and wise men. Good luck to you.

You've done a masterful and convincing job of conning yourself into believing your own lies. All you have to do is repeat the lies often enough and you're home FREE, with your "free will confession" horse manure aren't you? (At least so you think.)

Here's a "confession" in scripture you can bite into really hard:

Job 31:33
33 If like Adam I have covered my transgressions, By hiding mine iniquity in my bosom,
ASV

Great confession by Adam heh?

 

[Rufus]

[QUOTE="Jordon, post: 5591179, member: 340597"]did I say nothing can be known ?
What is known is that only Gods knows who will be saved before there born, not even you will know when it's happend, only he will know by your time spent with him, which he knows before your born.

It may be you dont fully know at this point but there's assurance in knowing is will and not to surrender his will. [/QUOTE]

Yeah, pretty much you did when it comes to the salvation of any particular biblical character. According to what you wrote, you implied we shouldn't waste our time in carefully, responsibly and reverently exegeting God's Word to see who the good guys and bad guys in scripture are because at the end of the day only God knows that!

 

[cv5]

You've done a masterful and convincing job of conning yourself into believing your own lies. All you have to do is repeat the lies often enough and you're home FREE, with your "free will confession" horse manure aren't you? (At least so you think.)

Here's a "confession" in scripture you can bite into really hard:

Job 31:33
33 If like Adam I have covered my transgressions, By hiding mine iniquity in my bosom,
ASV

Great confession by Adam heh?

For pity's sake man they DID make the "proper confession".

You have yet to put a dent in this proposition. Lots of incoherent raving though, evidently your go-to escape hatch when faced with insurmountable truth that you just don't like very much.

 

[posthuman]

Why did you think this material of skin was some magic cloth ?

it could have been any type of skin, it could of been fibre cotton even leather.

Lamb's skin

it is in remembrance of the shedding of this lambs blood for the sake of Adam and Eve, that Cain and Abel were making an offering, in the very next passage.

 

[Rufus]

For pity's sake man they DID make the "proper confession".

You have yet to put a dent in this proposition. Lots of incoherent raving though, evidently your go-to escape hatch when faced with insurmountable truth that you just don't like very much.

"Insurmountable truth" is a product and figment of your carnal imagination; for there is ZERO biblical support for your conjectures. So...go put a dent in that!

 

[posthuman]

confession

Genesis 3:12​

"I ate."​

 

[posthuman]

ok thanks for sharing your faith buddy, enjoy the grass too I'll have a little chat about it later when I head isn't going bonkers

in Genesis 3 we have the first two examples of coverings in all of scripture - - one by human hands, that is ineffective, and one by God's own hand, that is effective.

it's not insignificant

Zechariah 3:4​

Then He answered and spoke to those who stood before Him, saying, ​

"Take away the filthy garments from him." ​

And to him He said, ​

"See, I have removed your iniquity from you, and I will clothe you with rich robes."​