Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Well...you know the old adage: The devil is found in the [pesky] details! I'd bet my life that you loathe the details in the unconditional promises of the New Covenant as well, right?
And I thought you had me on permanent iggy....again. A "detail" that I did not forget.
Well I'm familiar with the book of revelation but has any man fully understood itBut the flaming sword im wondering now what would have happend if he hadn't of put that sword there and he left Adam and eve there clothed in righteousness,
Well I know they would of lived forever but in what condition ?
A condition of "eternal dying". The most horrible fate imaginable, one that God mercifully prevented.
And FYI, Adam (through sheer force of will resisting immense temptation), refused to eat of the tree of life and PREVENTED the Woman from doing so as well. Rather, he trusted in his God to resolve that matter. And He did....
Oh and BTW, during the "end times", the anti-christ DOES offer fallen mankind the fruit of his evil version of the tree of life......"eternal life by another way".
Those who do NOT resist the temptation (and take the mark of the beast and worship him) are doomed to eternity in the lake of fire.
Do you see the counterfeit pattern?
Preemptively, God in his mercy WARNS the world of the horrors of taking the mark and "receiving Satan's life" by a very interesting method:
[Rev 9:5 KJV]
And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment [was] as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
[Rev 9:6 KJV]
And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Question: where does the "five months" derive from? Do you know? Its a biblical pattern.......
Well what you've mentioned is what I came to believe that death can live, but only with the lord's breath.
And Adam and eve would have been living ashamed forever, where by they began to no longer be ashamed of there shame, where by they just did ashamed act,ma, without any shame in it.
So God needs to protect there Shame, as the shameless are innocent and that's how the lord created us, so how could the lord bare his children to no longer be innocent, well only the lord can bare that m because we can't, and this is where his will takes over.
The slaying of the animal with which Adam and Eve were clothed is a foreshadowing of the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ.
The gospel preached to Adam and Eve was proclaimed in Gen 3:15.
Both Adam and Eve believed what God told them about the promised Messiah ... that is why Adam changed her name from ʼishshâh (wife) to ḥaûâ ("life" or "living").
Salvation always was, is now, will always be, by grace through faith.
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"And FYI, Adam (through sheer force of will resisting immense temptation), refused to eat of the tree of life and PREVENTED the Woman from doing so as well."
Come to think of it, Adam resisting temptation was crucial during this episode as regards the eventual righteous (and salvific) resolution.
Much like those who are enduring the temptations of the anti-christ during the 7 year tribulation......right?
ok I understand what your saying, so dual complexity right, when we where created before the fall, the dual complexity in us may be nature in us me and you (natural nature but innocent and at peace, combined with his breath of life."And FYI, Adam (through sheer force of will resisting immense temptation), refused to eat of the tree of life and PREVENTED the Woman from doing so as well."
Come to think of it, Adam resisting temptation was crucial during this episode as regards the eventual righteous (and salvific) resolution.
Much like those who are enduring the temptations of the anti-christ during the 7 year tribulation......right?
What died may well have been the innocent of our nature but his breath life never.
So then a battle unfolds between life and death in our nature.
But one thing remains his will his life his way
i always have ideas haha sometimes one of them isn't even terrible
the cherubim and the flaming sword are there to "keep" the way to the tree of life ((kjv, or nkjv 'guard')) - - that's not to prevent humanity from having life, but to preserve the path.
compare the ark of the testimony with the two cherubim, which is the mercy seat, and the shekinah glory that dwells between them
what is the purpose of that heavenly fire in the most holy place? to save or to destroy? what does it mean when there is a temple in which that holy smoke and fire does not reside?
and compare the mount of transfiguration - - Christ revealed as that same glory, between Moses and Elijah. what is the purpose of this revelation? what would it mean if Christ were not there, if He was not glorified, and all that one had was law and prophecy, but no Spirit?
i don't think the getting knocked off the horse and blinded was Sauls will lol - - and then when he said Lord and asked what he was being commanded to do, he had effectively thrown away his own will in order to inquire about Christ's
Paul's will at the time was to go murder beleivers and trample out the name of Jesus. he wasn't truth-seeking, he was truth-destroying
if he had been blaming God for causing him to sin - - which is the most idiotic interpretation possible but somehow in the idiot visible church by far the most prolific - - why did God accept his words, not curse him, give him the promise of the Messiah, shed the blood of an innocent, spotless lamb, take away his filthy robe, clothe him with a garment made by the very hand of God Himself, and declare to all the angels BEHOLD he has become like Christ?
next time you sin try accepting no responsibility, telling God it's His fault, and see whether you get that kind of treatment.
did god change Paul’s will ? Or did he simply impose his own Will on Paul ?
And how does that translate n his teachings to those who weren’t ordained and chosen apostles of Jesus ?
“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
Philippians 2:12-13 KJV
our Will still exists God is healing it because we believe the gospel he’s confirming it tonthe truths of the gospel we believe but our will still exists and we still have to make choices otherwise
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?”
Hebrews 10:26-29 KJV
Gods Will isnt for anyone to perish but that all would repent and believe the gospel and be saved .
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4 KJV
If that’s true why are some not going to be saved ? Or is gods Will going to save everyone and prove his judgements all wrong ? Like this repeated one
“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
Romans 2:6-11 NIV
is it just whatever god wills ? Or is his Will that all repent and none perish ?
“The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 NIV
Why doesn’t he just skip all that stuff and tell us “ whatever I decide is what is going to happen you have no choice ?”
It sure would be a lot more honest of him rather than teaching mankind they will be judged by thier deeds and words they choose to speak and act in .
strange he would teach people that hey need to repent and believe the gospel to be saved if it’s just his own choice who’s going to be saved and they have no corrupt will to be cleansed and healed
God created us with a free Will to be saved we need to choose his will in the gospel over our own sinful and corrupt will
yes ... God communes with man at the mercy seat ... in the most holy of holies ...
Exodus 25:18-22 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof. And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be. And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
signifies the presence of the Lord.posthuman said:
no presence of the Lord.posthuman said:
they spoke of the crucifixion (Luke 9:31).posthuman said:
1 Cor 1-3 ... or candlestick removedposthuman said:
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I need time to digest this lol. The ark with the cherubim on top, what's the significance of those cherubim, well the ark also live in us to. And the ark became the path to lead us back into the ark,i always have ideas haha sometimes one of them isn't even terrible
the cherubim and the flaming sword are there to "keep" the way to the tree of life ((kjv, or nkjv 'guard')) - - that's not to prevent humanity from having life, but to preserve the path.
compare the ark of the testimony with the two cherubim, which is the mercy seat, and the shekinah glory that dwells between them
what is the purpose of that heavenly fire in the most holy place? to save or to destroy? what does it mean when there is a temple in which that holy smoke and fire does not reside?
and compare the mount of transfiguration - - Christ revealed as that same glory, between Moses and Elijah. what is the purpose of this revelation? what would it mean if Christ were not there, if He was not glorified, and all that one had was law and prophecy, but no Spirit?
The other great significance God also lets us protect the ark, just like Noah, he likes to give us great responsibility, and his will willed Noah to build an ark,
And when the flood was over, God gave a promise, that never again will he destroy the earth with a flood, as he knew the time was now right for his people to live again. Then moses was a chosen leader who would help us be taken up like Elijah.
He knew also how his way was protecting many people before the flood and he knew when one day his flame protecting the way of life, would once again shine in our heart, also known as the the day we see the morning star rise in our hearts.
The day we all meet again.
Or the day we see his will shine in our hearts and even that day when it first shined, the day the lord said wake up you sleepers.
Which wakes you up everyday.
yep
prior to God having reached out to him.posthuman said:
I have always. maintained that God reaches out to mankind and mankind either believes or suppresses the truth in unrighteousness.
those who believe receive the promise.
those who reject receive the consequence.
However, God reaching out will not always be as shown in what occurred with Paul. For the most part, God sends faithful believers to preach. That is God reaching out to mankind.
God has also given us His Word to read ... that, also, is God reaching out to mankind.
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also want to add ... the mercy seat foreshadows the Lord Jesus Christ ... it is in Him that we can know all the fullness of God ... it is in Him that we have access to the throne of grace ... we have no approach to the Father outside of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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It is not anywhere stated in Scripture that man was created with a will that is free. Man was created
good and he disobeyed God, which God knew man was going to do. Man was then enslaved to sin.
I may just add that I think I answered your question of it being a for shadow, as moses leading us to be taken up like Elijah,i always have ideas haha sometimes one of them isn't even terrible
the cherubim and the flaming sword are there to "keep" the way to the tree of life ((kjv, or nkjv 'guard')) - - that's not to prevent humanity from having life, but to preserve the path.
compare the ark of the testimony with the two cherubim, which is the mercy seat, and the shekinah glory that dwells between them
what is the purpose of that heavenly fire in the most holy place? to save or to destroy? what does it mean when there is a temple in which that holy smoke and fire does not reside?
and compare the mount of transfiguration - - Christ revealed as that same glory, between Moses and Elijah. what is the purpose of this revelation? what would it mean if Christ were not there, if He was not glorified, and all that one had was law and prophecy, but no Spirit?
But I may add revelation and new revelations can come to us all, and you never know when there going to come. And they come for different reason and can be personal, the book of revelation is mainly written about all the spiritual significance of the old and the new.
But can man fully understand it ? isn't the book of revelation the lords understanding
It could easily be argued that in his heart of hearts, Paul desired to serve God. But alas, he wasSo you could say God went against Paul's will then
deceived (as is the majority of the world), blinded to the truth and in need of intervention..
So interesting how we have a FW perspective telling us God would be unfair if He revealed
Himself to one person an any way that differed in how He reveals Himself to another person.
Such deception parading itself as qualified to teach rather boggles the mind.
God's will is oftentimes conflicts with mans will. But this does not mean that men do not have a will of their own, on the contrary it confirms that they do!So you could say God went against Paul's will then