But, God has Calvinists sovereignly hating others.
It is His will they hate because He decreed it.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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But, God has Calvinists sovereignly hating others.
It is His will they hate because He decreed it.
Here is the problem with you, sir...
"Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid."
Proverbs 12:1
God said it!
"enabling grace"
Pursuing this this Calvinist dogmatic construct to its logical conclusion will inevitably lead to "pre-birth sovereign lottery". As it always does.
@Magenta introduced another philosophic synthetic construct today: "already believing". Which analyzed will ultimately lead to the same result.
Neither has been substantially proven as of yet. Attempting to do so (and inevitably failing) would defeat their purpose.
Yeah...but look at the really bright side: Very, very few libertarian freewillers won't make it through Heaven's pearly gates either.
Oh wait...let me come up with a oft-repeated, tiresome, childish FWer refrain: You're cherry-picking isolated verses taken out of context. Anything else you have in your impoverished grab bag of tricks?
Well...something has to effectually trigger a response to the gospel. Since YOU and your ilk despise the idea that God's efficacious, then it must be your "freewill". So, no one is using "efficacious" as a pejorative but merely taking the FWer's steadfast rejection of the nature of God's saving, rescuing power (grace) to its only logical conclusion.
It's the depravity of the human heart that motivates the carnal desire to be like God -- or in FWers' case -- to be better than God since they can do things that God himself cannot do.
Have you ever read any of the imprecatory Psalms? And are you aware that scripture is loaded with paradoxes? Are you aware that is right for God's people to hate what He hates? Has it ever occurred to you that Jesus didn't pray for the world in Jn 17 because He had no love for the ungodly world? And the final question: Why are you so simple-minded after your gazillions of hours of bible study?
So I take it that your trust resides in the efficacious power of the "loaded dice" and "rigged gaming tables" that God must facilitate in His salvation scheme, as He is incapable of achieving His goals honestly and honorably?
I use many translations. You use the one in your head that makes you better than all of the others. How "convenient."
Nope. Jesus' command was to love others. You have Calvinists hating others..
Why do you keep applying that to whom it does not apply?
No one is born with everything he needs to believe.
Everyone is born with a soul.
And, it is with his soul (heart) that man believes onto salvation.
But! That soul is imprisoned by the depraved flesh which forbids that soul to believe.
So?
How did God solve the problem?
Does God force the soul somehow to believe (irresistible grace)?
Or, does He force by his power of grace for the flesh to be still and silent?
Thus allowing for a soul make up its own mind without coercion?
Grace makes everyone accountable to God!
Because God provides grace, there will be no excuses... "My flesh made me do it!"
Grace forces the depraved flesh to be still and silent!
Allowing a soul to think for himself.
Keep in mind, those who reject God were free to while God was applying drawing grace!
Grace did not make them have to believe.
Because of God's drawing grace, no one can not blame the flesh.
Flesh that Adam caused them to have!
Without grace taking control?
No one could could choose to believe.
grace and peace ..........
Why do you keep lying?
Perhaps you should tell that to the one who claims man is born with everything he needs in order to come to belief.
It seems you may be ignorant of who that is.
Keep your eyes open.
the unsolved problem isn't that if God can sovereignly save why doesn't He save everyone - - it's why does He save anyone at all?
attributing our salvation to His mercy towards us, refusing to give our own will any credit, is not equal to double predestination. that's the knee-jerk jump of logic i was mentioning earlier.
Lots of paradoxes. Like freedom. The world's idea of freedom is to be free to do as they please. But by virtue of their nature...simply being finite...they cannot achieve freedom. It's an allusion. Equally paradoxical is true freedom. It is not found in the ability to do things, but in a person who by virtue of yolking oneself to, is free to pursue all that God has to offer. Who knew true freedom was found in bondage?Have you ever read any of the imprecatory Psalms? And are you aware that scripture is loaded with paradoxes? Are you aware that is right for God's people to hate what He hates? Has it ever occurred to you that Jesus didn't pray for the world in Jn 17 because He had no love for the ungodly world? And the final question: Why are you so simple-minded after your gazillions of hours of bible study?