Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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That does not prove that Jesus was teaching OT law to the Jews.... no, He came to do away with the OT law and establish the New Covenant and with that in mind He was teaching tenants of the New Covenant that He came to establish

Maybe go study the Book of Hebrews and learn more about this topic.
Maybe read. I didnt say Jesus was teaching Law. I said He was teaching the Jews. He came for the Jews. Bringing gentiles into the fold was a mystery not revealed.
 
Well the calvinists are peddling heresy so good luck with all that.

God's Word teaches man has free will. Period.






Trump is not a Christian based on his own words.... they ask him if he had ever repented of his sins and he famously said he had never done anything that he needed to repent of so he's as lost as a goose in a hurricane, not to mention nobody that is born again and being led by the Holy Spirit uses such foul language as Trump does.

He's a follower of Norman Vincent Peale who is a known and proven false teacher so someone needs to reach him with the actual Gospel. All he has now, based on his own words, if the belief that Jesus exists which is faith no better than what devils have because they too believe the Lord exists and tremble in fear (James 2:19)

Here's the video where Trump says he's never asked for forgiveness

period ? So no such thing as Gods enabling grace then, do you realise where talking about an unsaved person here ? How about God's enabling will power to make choice, don't you still have that ? Well whilst your thinking about that, what makes you think an unsaved person wouldn't need enabling will power to make a choice, when a saved person does ? Speaking about the fruits of spirit and self control. ( Temperance )


And I wonder is there such a person as a calvinist are you sure that's not another projected false idol your imagining

Could you show me a sermon of a person calling himself a calvinist ?
I don't think you'll find many as if you do he's probably decided to be one, by people like you projecting a false image every where that there's all these Calvinists on the loose
 
I do not see that the vail is removed then the heart turns ... the verse specifically shows when the heart turns, the vail is removed ... however, the heart is or has been acted upon in the reading of the Old Covenant which is designed to bring people to Christ ... this turning/vail removal could be a simultaneous action as God knows all hearts and He can see who is at that point before a person even realizes he or she is at that point.

Your order is the same as I read it. The parsing of the verbs + the conjunction hēnika (when, at the time when) at the beginning of 2Cor3:16 look to say the turn done by the person and the veil removal [by the Lord/Spirit] are simultaneous, which is why I brought up the Greek word order and the structure of the verb meaning turn. Based upon this it looks like the human action of turning to the Lord is first in lexical order and - as you note - we're dealing with God so that fits as only He can make simultaneous fit.

It seems like a good verse to keep in mind in all these discussions (if we can call some of them discussions) re: the order of salvation.
 
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I said He was teaching the Jews.

And everything Jesus taught in the gospel is applicable to New Covenant believers... that means us.




Bringing gentiles into the fold was a mystery not revealed.

After the Jews rejected Jesus....Bringing gentiles into the fold was a mystery the WAS certainly revealed.

It's a good time to remember John 3:16 which clearly indicates God brought salvation to the entire world.

He intended for the Jews to receive Jesus and the gentiles would learn of salvation thru the Jews.... but they rejected Jesus as a nation and so the gentiles became God's go to people.



do you realise where talking about an unsaved person here ?

Yes, and ALL unsaved people will be thrown in to hell because they rejected the Lord.
God says they are without excuse.


How about God's enabling will power to make choice, don't you still have that ?

So, if someone does not get saved.... it's God's fault??? clueless-scratching.gif

God does not force people to follow him. It's very clear from the scriptures.



Could you show me a sermon of a person calling himself a calvinist ?

There are videos on Youtube that teach people how to search the internet.

Maybe you should educate yourself on this and start searching





people like you projecting a false image every where that there's all these Calvinists on the loose

The Lord is the One Who said in the end times (that started when Jesus got here in the flesh) MANY would come in His Name and would deceive many (see Matt 24).... and as always the Lord is right!
 
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And everything Jesus taught in the gospel is applicable to New Covenant believers... that means us.






After the Jews rejected Jesus....Bringing gentiles into the fold was a mystery the WAS certainly revealed.

It's a good time to remember John 3:16 which clearly indicates God brought salvation to the entire world.

He intended for the Jews to receive Jesus and the gentiles would learn of salvation thru the Jews.... but they rejected Jesus as a nation and so the gentiles became God's go to people.





Yes, and ALL unsaved people will be thrown in to hell because they rejected the Lord.
God says they are without excuse.




So, if someone does not get saved.... it's God's fault??? View attachment 279840

God does not force people to follow him. It's very clear from the scriptures.





There are videos on Youtube that teach people how to search the internet.

Maybe you should educate yourself on this and start searching







The Lord is the One Who said in the end times (that started when Jesus got here in the flesh) MANY would come in His Name and would deceive many (see Matt 24).... and as always the Lord is right!
ok well you have a nice day anyway
 
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... the order of salvation.
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Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.
 
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Except for the very last one.
The heretics are still living in detestable idolatry... hopefully as their process of sanctification continues, they shall be delivered of that.

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Ephesians 2 v 1-3, 1 Peter 4 v 3b ~ You were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.... living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing, and detestable idolatry.
 
Your order is the same as I read it. The parsing of the verbs + the conjunction hēnika (when, at the time when) at the beginning of 2Cor3:16 look to say the turn done by the person and the veil removal [by the Lord/Spirit] are simultaneous, which is why I brought up the Greek word order and the structure of the verb meaning turn. Based upon this it looks like the human action of turning to the Lord is first in lexical order and - as you note - we're dealing with God so that fits as only He can make simultaneous fit.

It seems like a good verse to keep in mind in all these discussions (if we can call some of them discussions) re: the order of salvation.
Very informative.
As Christ is veiled in the OT, the veil lifted is Christ revealed in the NT. Lingering in the old is to remain veiled. So says Paul here.

Standard volitional belief protocol applies to those passages. And zero Calvinist content whatsoever.
 
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From 1 Peter 1 verses 3-5 ~ The elect are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood. By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
 
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Calvinistic ***salvation*** via conspiracy and tyranny? Prove it.

I have yet to hear anything compelling from the determinists. Chronister would destroy these determinists BTW. As you well know.
Maybe it's because you don't have ears to hear!
 
Very informative.
As Christ is veiled in the OT, the veil lifted is Christ revealed in the NT. Lingering in the old is to remain veiled. So says Paul here.

Standard volitional belief protocol applies to those passages. And zero Calvinist content whatsoever.

[Eph 1:3 KJV] 3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:

[1Co 1:30 KJV] 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

[2Co 3:14, 16-18 KJV]
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which [vail] is done away in Christ. ...
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, [even] as by the Spirit of the Lord.
 
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Maybe it's because you don't have ears to hear!
Eh? Did they not circumcise their ears as was commanded???

Oh, well, yes, we know it is our Lord Who circumcises our hearts and ears.

He came to open the eyes of the blind and unstop the ears of the deaf, after all.

But FWers do not think they need anything. They are good to go as is... according to them.

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Luke 4 v 18-19 The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed, 19to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.
 
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Jesus answered, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.” Luke 5 v 31 The Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost. Luke 19 v 10 For the Son of Man came to save the lost. Matthew 18 v 11 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners. Matthew 9 v 13b, Mark 2 v 17b I will seek the lost, bring back the strays, bind up the broken, and strengthen the weak; but the sleek and strong I will destroy. Ezekiel 34 v 16