Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[posthuman]

Here's how I see it:

Moses put on the veil which in turn created a blindness re: the temporary OC. That blindness of mind/thought re: the OC 2Cor3:14 is the veil on their heart 2Cor3:15. It's internalized misunderstanding.

I don't see it as judicial hardening as in Isaiah.

Although there is the look of simultaneity in Paul's verbs, word order looks to make the active voice turning first and the subjunctive shows potential which IMO shows human volition. The Gospel of Christ - the ministry of righteousness 2Cor3:9 - is assumed before the active turning. The ministry of righteousness concerns the exceeding glory of Christ over Moses and the end of the glory of Moses.

Jesus was dealing with this when here John5:46-47.

John 8:43 for example tho, judicial hardening? it certainly exists; His sovereignty overuling human agency.

we rebuff at this, thinking it unfair, but Paul specifically addresses any judgement of God we might make about this saying in Romans, who are you oh man to answer back to God?
why would that verse exist if our volition is the only thing in play?

imo too many of us simply decry reformed theology as evil, presuming any talk of God initiating our calling and election as being complete hyper-Calvinism, and do not stop to consider that there is much in scripture written about our will being subject to His.

we certainly are culpable for our decisions and actions, rightly so, and express a freedom of our will - - but that will is not completely free, nor are we ever independent of God able to do anything, for, the hearing ear and seeing eye and even the heart that is able to understand, He has made these things. we cannot boast

 

[NightTwister]

This is going to be real can of worms, but we'll work through it.

He was not filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb.

Even the King James translated that correctly, and others failed to.
He was filled with the Holy Spirit out from the womb.
Not, in the womb.

Furthermore, he will be filled with the Holy {hagios} Spirit {pneuma}
'out from' {ek} his mother's womb.

Wrong.

 

[posthuman]

Calvinism is for the bitter hearted who want to remain on top of the rest by thinking they know better.

whenever two disagree, both think they know better

hold the sword by the hilt, or your hand may be injured

 

[cv5]

John 8:43 for example tho, judicial hardening? it certainly exists; His sovereignty overuling human agency.

we rebuff at this, thinking it unfair, but Paul specifically addresses any judgement of God we might make about this saying in Romans, who are you oh man to answer back to God?
why would that verse exist if our volition is the only thing in play?

imo too many of us simply decry reformed theology as evil, presuming any talk of God initiating our calling and election as being complete hyper-Calvinism, and do not stop to consider that there is much in scripture written about our will being subject to His.

we certainly are culpable for our decisions and actions, rightly so, and express a freedom of our will - - but that will is not completely free, nor are we ever independent of God able to do anything, for, the hearing ear and seeing eye and even the heart that is able to understand, He has made these things. we cannot boast

"presuming any talk of God initiating our calling.....as being complete hyper-Calvinism"

All of us believe that God is First Mover and Initiator. No problems there.
But as for this Calvinist business of IMPOSING (rather than RECEIVING) the OFFER (not an offer at all per the Calvinist) of the Covenant of Salvation by force, fraud, conspiracy or pre-birth lottery and shotgun wedding nuttery?

Nope. Unbiblical in every way.

 

[Magenta]

John 8:43 for example tho, judicial hardening? it certainly exists; His sovereignty overuling human agency.

we rebuff at this, thinking it unfair, but Paul specifically addresses any judgement of God we might make about this saying in Romans, who are you oh man to answer back to God?
why would that verse exist if our volition is the only thing in play?

imo too many of us simply decry reformed theology as evil, presuming any talk of God initiating our calling and election as being complete hyper-Calvinism, and do not stop to consider that there is much in scripture written about our will being subject to His.

we certainly are culpable for our decisions and actions, rightly so, and express a freedom of our will - - but that will is not completely free, nor are we ever independent of God able to do anything, for, the hearing ear and seeing eye and even the heart that is able to understand, He has made these things. we cannot boast

Built into their Pelagian heresy and their self-exalting idolization through "free will" is their unbridled hatred of God's sovereignty.

 

[DeanM]

So do you think they are just bored or do you think they have some reason to be here?

I think that they think they are doing something to fight against the Christians. Kirks death has created a movement. Lots of gatherings happening. This guy is a keyboard warrior in satans army. Just trying to be relevant.

 

[Blain]

Who is frightened?

The troll is

 

[DeanM]

Who is frightened?

Those opposed to christianity.

 

[Blain]

I think that they think they are doing something to fight against the Christians. Kirks death has created a movement. Lots of gatherings happening. This guy is a keyboard warrior in satans army. Just trying to be relevant.

Well we better pray for him then, because he won't be able to do much and if this si about kirks death then yeah I have seen people do stuff like that his death has started a revival amongst believers

 

[Blain]

They are under a new username now

 

[studier]

John 8:43 for example tho, judicial hardening? it certainly exists

Certainly does. Just don't see it in 2Cor3 and I'm not commenting re: John8.

 

[Magenta]

All of us believe that God is First Mover and Initiator.

Not true or there would not be those saying that man is born with everything he needs to come to believe. And they are here whether you are blind to it or lie about it or not. I know how much you love to lie.

 

[HigherGospel]

Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

The Lord has already answered this very plainly in His Word... which should be the final Word since HE said it:

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Joshua 24:15
Choose you this day whom ye will serve

There's many more just like this showing man is responsible for his actions.

Those claiming man does not have control over his will are believing things in opposition to God's Word and are prepped by the enemy to lose control of their very soul which is how some who claim to be Christians can bust out in to sinful behavior at any moment because they are not being led by the Holy Spirit since they aren't believing what God says in His Word.

 

[Rufus]

Why would I be bitter? After all, my SUPERHERO, unlike CV5's Adam whose apparently yours as well, is the Last Adam. He is my All!

 

[Rufus]

you mean this Adam ???

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

yeah ... you've got who you refer to as the spawn of satan in the genealogy of the Lord Jesus Christ ... what a lie!!! ... although I'm sure satan loves your lie!!!
.

Well, who else's son would the first man of this world be if not the Creator's? Did Adam have an earthly father and mother?

Now go find me a text that teaches that Jesus descended from the first man.

 

[Magenta]

Why would I be bitter? After all, my SUPERHERO, unlike CV5's Adam whose apparently yours as well, is the Last Adam. He is my All!

Some of these heretics can't seem to make up their minds which when you think about it ... they are double-minded, just as they speak out of both sides of their mouths. They go into coniptions of condemnation when we praise God and give Him glory, and then they turn around and say we are glorifying ourselves when that is the opposite of what we are doing, but exactly what they do.

 

[Rufus]

Crazy talk.....

Rom 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

You, sir, have redefined "crazy talk"! Adam, everywhere in the bible, is spoken of in negative terms. None of the inspired writers ever said anything positive about him. But leave it to your diseased mind to buck scripture and make a big virtuous, altruistic, unselfish hero out of him.

 

[Jordon]

I do agree with you 100%

Yeah its a shame we have to agree on this, but it's the truth, Charlie legacy was all about getting people to vote for government leadership. Based on Christian values, heightened more so for the love he had.for Donald trump and his Christian values.

He began writing to all the churches trying them to get them to take apart in talking to there followers about the Christian values trump has, believing that Iif he could just get 10 percent of Christians to vote in swing states, Donald trump could win. By taking about values that Christians find important but other become offended by.

Did he make a difference ?

Well as you know theres a lot of people who have the trump hate syndrome, it's my guess one of those people shot him.

 

[HigherGospel]

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Joshua 24:15
Choose you this day whom ye will serve

It's pretty funny (not in a good way) that someone gave a thumbs down for posting scripture!

 

[Magenta]

The Lord has already answered this very plainly in His Word... which should be the final Word since HE said it:

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Joshua 24:15
Choose you this day whom ye will serve

There's many more just like this showing man is responsible for his actions.

Those claiming man does not have control over his will are believing things in opposition to God's Word and are prepped by the enemy to lose control of their very soul which is how some who claim to be Christians can bust out in to sinful behavior at any moment because they are not being led by the Holy Spirit since they aren't believing what God says in His Word.

What do you make of verses where it says things like people have been taken captive to do the will of the devil? Do you still believe man is in control and has freedom when he is said to be taken captive to do the will of the devil? Are you one of these heretics who claim man is free to believe that which he is blinded to when he cannot even comprehend the gospel? While hostile in his mind toward God with his heart of stone which needs replacing, opposed to the spiritual things of God?