Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[lrs68]

Is there a verse that says that God gives repentance to all Gentiles w/o exception?

I was trying to make him clarify his point being made.

 

[lrs68]

but the danger is some may be getting on fire for God out of anger, which could lead to many people being treated unjustly by Charlie's policies, where by you get more tragedies.

The thing is when you get a really high figure claiming they love God and I'm not talking about Charlie, I'm talking other people who claim they love God,. people in power who persuade people to vote on Christian values, and they say there going to make a change but they don't, Christians don't then vote no more no matter who tries to change there mind.


I never heard of Charlie either but having watched some of his documentaries he stood for many Christian values, he would go everywhere talking to kids who where not even Christian, getting in heated debates with them, but he showed a good level of tolerance, was never to forceful in his approach.

And now he's been shot. Its why the churches don't get involved in these affairs.

I do agree with you 100%

 

[cv5]

Isaiah 6:10
Just like God does not arbitrarily select some for salvation, neither does God harden arbitrarily, these verses are connected to judgement and not a universal statement about the estate of all fallen man.

Agree. If only the Calvinists would recognize this as universal law that can never be broken.
God's justice and fairness changes not.

Mal 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

 

[lrs68]

But we do know that Cornelius was God-fearing man ; we know that God LOVES those who fear Him; we know that God sovereignly instills the fear of Himself into his chosen, covenant people; and we know that salvation is near to those who Fear God, which the narrative proves. What else do we need to know about Cornelius?

That is the point that Cornelius faithfulness to God, his constant prayers seeking God, he was doing all he could to get God's attention and he finally did. Then God rewarded Cornelius and ultimately all Gentiles by allowing Gentile people to become joint-heirs.

 

[cv5]

Reformed: Why me? God is so very arbitrary and unpredictable, but praise God He chose me!!!

Reformed: just look at those despicable depraved unclean impotent natural fleshly doomed non-chosenite people over there!
Looookkkkk at them! And rejoice that we are not one of them!

And fear not to mock and deride them for we know that God despised them from before the world began!

 

[Magenta]

Just like God does not arbitrarily select some for salvation, neither does God harden arbitrarily,

You are the one who continually lies and blasphemes God and claims
He does things arbitrarily and/or for no good reason when you feel like it.

 

[lrs68]

But that doesn't answer why John was filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb. You're still avoiding the question.

Why doesn't it answer your question. The Angel said he has a special job to do. You think God would let John be tainted of the world + be the ONE to pave the way for the coming Messiah? John needed to be saved from word GO to fulfill this specific prophecy and he was.

 

[lrs68]

Continually implicates an intermittent "constant," at any rate, and 'intermittent" adjective meaning, "occurring at irregular intervals; not continuous or steady:" whereas continuously connotes a continuation with no interruption.
I especially noted that distinction when I learned of it at university. The artist in me loves the attention to detail.

Amen!

 

[cv5]

As usual, you do not understand those who are reformed. They do not think that they are special!

On the contrary, the Reformed crew's many posts tell a different tale.

https://christianchat.com/threads/can-we-really-exercise-free-will.218061/post-5582268

 

[lrs68]

You might want to get your hands on a Kenneth Wuest NT translation.

Kenneth Wuest would translate often with the Greek tenses and feel intact.
https://www.amazon.com/New-Testament-Expanded-Translation/dp/0802808824


Another good translation to look for would be the Williams NT translation.
http://www.sprawls.org/williams/


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Thank You!

 

[cv5]

No possible answers in the context?
Moses put the veil there so they couldn't see the fading glory of the OC 2Cor3:13-14.
When they turn to the Lord the veil is removed in Christ 2Cor3:14 and although not absolutely clear here, the agent seems to be the Lord the Spirit of 2Cor3:17. In Christ v.14 could also be by Christ, but I think in Christ is more likely, as do most but not all translators.
So, they actively turn to the Lord > they're placed in Christ & the veil is removed likely by the Lord the Spirit & they have freedom > they're being metamorphosized/transfigured/transformed into a likeness of the Lord 2Cor3:18

methodologia universalis salvifica operativa

 

[Magenta]

Reformed: Why me? God is so very arbitrary and unpredictable, but praise God He chose me!!!

Pelagian heretics such as yourself fashion the natural man after yourselves because you think you are so special that what the Bible says of man does not apply to you. Unfortunately it skews your whole take on this issue and causes you to reject, contradict, and outright deny a multitude of verses, because in your mind he is not such a bad guy, even as you continually lie and misrepresent mot only those you disagree with but your very own self, as well as God. Your self-exalting idolatry is central to your way of thinking on this issue.

 

[Genez]

But that doesn't answer why John was filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb. You're still avoiding the question.

This is going to be real can of worms, but we'll work through it.

He was not filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb.

Even the King James translated that correctly, and others failed to.
He was filled with the Holy Spirit out from the womb.
Not, in the womb.

Furthermore, he will be filled with the Holy {hagios} Spirit {pneuma}
'out from' {ek} his mother's womb.

 

[rogerg]

Reformed: just look at those despicable depraved unclean impotent natural fleshly doomed non-chosenite people over there!
Looookkkkk at them! And rejoice that we are not one of them!

And fear not to mock and deride them for we know that God despised them from before the world began!

Yeah, and that would seem correct for those, such as yourself, who place trust in their works for salvation instead of exclusively in/by God's grace through Jesus Christ as Savior. However, they (and you at least for now), remain under the law of works where only God's judgment can result- not good.

 

[cv5]

Here's how I see it:

Moses put on the veil which in turn created a blindness re: the temporary OC. That blindness of mind/thought re: the OC 2Cor3:14 is the veil on their heart 2Cor3:15. It's internalized misunderstanding.

I don't see it as judicial hardening as in Isaiah.

Although there is the look of simultaneity in Paul's verbs, word order looks to make the active voice turning first and the subjunctive shows potential which IMO shows human volition. The Gospel of Christ - the ministry of righteousness 2Cor3:9 - is assumed before the active turning. The ministry of righteousness concerns the exceeding glory of Christ over Moses and the end of the glory of Moses.

Jesus was dealing with this when here John5:46-47.

It's internalized misunderstanding.
I don't see it as judicial hardening as in Isaiah.

It may be that one (unbelief) led to the other. Cause and effect.
IMO "hardening" is passive.....God walking away. Which is His prerogative in accord with His wisdom.

Too busy and exhausted to think today.....bye for now.

 

[Magenta]

This is going to be real can of worms, but we'll work through it.

He was not filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb.

Even the King James translated that correctly, and others failed to.
He was filled with the Holy Spirit out from the womb.
Not, in the womb.

Furthermore, he will be filled with the Holy {hagios} Spirit {pneuma}
'out from' {ek} his mother's womb.

Those with eyes to see also read that John leapt in Elizabeth's womb when she was but six months pregnant with him.

Capiche? John was three months away from being born out of her womb.

It seems you need to work on your terminology, also.

 

[Genez]

Those with eyes to see also read that John leapt in Elizabeth's womb when she was but six months pregnant with him.

Capiche? John was three months away from being born out of her womb.

It seems you need to work on your terminology, also.

The Greek also makes it clear that the fetus leaped in the sphere of her excitement.
"As soon as the sound of Mary's voice reached her ears."
It was the tremendous excitement of Elizabeth that triggered the response.

If John knew by the Spirit, the fetus would have begun leaping even before the sound of Mary's voice reached Elizabeth's ears.
The fetus leaped when Elizabeth became excited.

When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. Luke 1:41-44​

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It was in the sphere of Elizabeth's great excitement upon hearing when the fetus first reacted!

Like when a pregnant mother is in a car accident, and her fetus begins to leap sympathetically.
That fetus could not see anything happen, nor does it know danger.
The Mother and the fetus are interconnected by bioelectrical and hormonal exchanges.

Developmental bioelectricity is the regulation of cell, tissue, and organ-level patterning and behavior by electrical signals
during the development of embryonic animals and plants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_bioelectricity

Here we go!

 

[Kroogz]

many is a subset of all, not equal to all.

Rom 5:19
For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners,.........

Ok. Lets go with your explanation.

Many is a subset of all, not equal to all.

 

[cv5]

The Greek also makes it clear that the fetus leaped in the sphere of her excitement.
"As soon as the sound of Mary's voice reached her ears."
It was the tremendous excitement of Elizabeth that triggered the response.

If John knew by the Spirit, the fetus would have begun leaping even before the sound of Mary's voice reached Elizabeth's ears.
The fetus leaped when Elizabeth became excited.

When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. Luke 1:41-44​

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It was in the sphere of Elizabeth's great excitement upon hearing when the fetus first reacted!

Like when a pregnant mother is in a car accident, and her fetus begins to leap sympathetically.
That fetus could not see anything happen, nor does it know danger.
The Mother and the fetus are interconnected by bioelectrical and hormonal exchanges.

Developmental bioelectricity is the regulation of cell, tissue, and organ-level patterning and behavior by electrical signals
during the development of embryonic animals and plants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_bioelectricity

Here we go!

Very good thanks!
Another Calvinist trope eliminated.

 

[NightTwister]

Why doesn't it answer your question. The Angel said he has a special job to do. You think God would let John be tainted of the world + be the ONE to pave the way for the coming Messiah? John needed to be saved from word GO to fulfill this specific prophecy and he was.

You'll never directly answer a question. I won't be asking you another one. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.