Charlie Kirk Shot

[oldman]

Only problem is he will be on death row for 30 years before he is executed.

True. and the conditions on death row are much better that general population.
Life without parole in general population would be good

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I watched this video, he said he would use Bible verses but to my understanding he only used two which I will address (no one knows the day or hour and the gospel will be preached to the whole earth). What I am very certain of is that this video does not in any way explain the interest in September 23, and I suspect this is because he himself does not understand the interest.

So then, before we get started let's address this verse in Colossians 2 that you quoted.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Paul tells us that the holy days are a shadow of things to come. They are prophetic. Jesus was crucified on Passover, every single thing including the hours he hung from the cross were part of the Passover celebration. The Bible called the Passover a "holy convocation" which means a dress rehearsal. Because the Messiah was crucified precisely as the Passover lamb the Jews should have recognized Him. When Jesus went into the tomb it started the seven day feast of unleavened bread. This depicts the entire church age as a feast of unleavened bread where we are also dead with Christ. On the First Feast of First Fruit, three days after Passover Jesus rose from the dead. So did many others. According to that feast you have a sheaf that you wave before God, that was the group of people raised with Jesus, and you do this so that God can bless the whole harvest. Jesus then is gone for a week before showing up again. This is because the high priest is to be sanctified, separated for one week at the temple in the heavens. Then Jesus ascended to heaven just like Moses ascended Mount Sinai on Shavuot. I could go into greater detail because Jesus' birth, circumcision and conception are also prophesied to the day by the holy days. But if you understand that the four spring feasts were fulfilled in Jesus' first coming it is no stretch to say the three Fall feasts will be fulfilled in His second coming.

Second, it is a mistake to think that the rapture will be fulfilled because Jews are blowing shofars. That is not the point. The point is that the 70th week, prophesied in Daniel, refers to a week of years, seven years, that will begin on Rosh Hashanah when the many (the UN, the term many can refer to ambassadors) confirm the covenant for one week. When we look at prophesies in the Old Testament there are two that point to the dividing of the land of Israel as the reason God's judgment on the nations culminating in Armageddon takes place.

So then it is Biblical to look for the UN having a meeting about a two state solution on Rosh Hashanah as the start of the seven year period we call the tribulation, but would more accurately be described as the 70th week. Yes, Jesus said no one knows the day or the hour of the rapture, never said we wouldn't know when the 70th week begins. In fact, Jesus rebuked the Jews for not knowing the time of their visitation and that was because of Daniel's prophecy that Jesus would be cut off in the 69th week.

But let's address "turkey day". Anyone know what that refers to? How about Independence day? What about Resurrection Sunday? Yes, these are well known idioms for days on our modern calendar. The Jewish idiom for the feast of trumpets was "No one knows the day or hour" because it was a two day event that requires you first see the new moon. You can't calculate this because clouds could get in the way, you have to see it. So even if the Lord tells us that the rapture will be on the Feast of Trumpets we still don't know the day or the hour. But put that aside, Jesus never said we don't know the year. On the contrary there are at least four prophets in the Bible that give us prophecies that point to the seven year tribulation / or seventieth week beginning in 2025.

Now the other verse he refers to is that the gospel must go out throughout the entire earth. That is a very clear word, but most Christians are not clear about this.

The three synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) have three different agendas. Luke is to those raptured prior to the seventieth week, Mark to the tribulation saints, and Matthew to the Jews who are saved as a nation. In order to demonstrate this you have to look at all the various differences and similarities in these three gospels. One of those differences is in this prophecy about the gospel being preached to the whole earth.

Luke never says that, in Luke it says the gospel will go out to the earth.

Mark says the gospel will be published in all the earth

and Matthew says it will be preached in all the earth.

From this we can see that the gospel has gone into all the earth not just from evangelists but from the internet, youtube, etc. After the rapture infants will go as well as the spirit filled Christians. This will cause everyone in every country to wonder what has happened and the paper and other news outlets will at that time publish the gospel in every nation explaining what the Christians teach about the rapture. No doubt it will be "debunked", and the great delusion concerning aliens abducting people will be said. However, it is the rapture that will cause the gospel to be published everywhere. For 3 1/2 years the world will be gas lit by the Antichrist but the two witnesses and the 144,000 working with them will be strong to preach the word and as a result when they are killed on Passover 42 months later the world will not allow their bodies to be buried but will live stream them for 3 1/2 days to see if they are going to rise again. That is when the whole world will see them rise again and so the gospel will be preached in every country at that point.

Now if you don't want to know when the rapture is that is fine, it is not an item of the faith that we are to contend for. But know this:

Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

The only Christians who don't know when the Lord is going to return are those who refuse to watch.

I am not insinuating anything, I am saying quite clearly and plainly that to say "we are no longer under law" is confusing to many believers and they do not understand what that means. This post that I made was as brief as I could be and still try to explain. I don't deny that we are not under law, I share the Biblical basis to say that, what I am trying to do is explain what that means to any who do not understand.

I'm with you on some of the prophecies which are to be fulfilled before the Lord's return.

About the timing of His return, I've changed my mind after being challenged by many false alarms.
The good thing IMHO is that it got me to reconsider those passages outside of the box of the branch of evangelical circles I was in.

It's not fighting words, just a different perspective from the timing I used to hold to. I'm convinced we will know in the ballpark when that is because of the events leading up to it. Without going into a long study explaining my POV, I believe there's a number of things yet to happen that do not require Jewish Holy days to know. Once there's widespread persecution the world has never known, at least a major war, there's no timer we can push for the different proclamations we've been hearing for decades.

I appreciate your time and effort explaining your perspective and will read it again with open Bible another time or two.

 

[Cameron143]

That's entirely speculation.

You should do a little more research. It's not simply speculation.

 

[ZNP]

I'm with you on some of the prophecies which are to be fulfilled before the Lord's return.

About the timing of His return, I've changed my mind after being challenged by many false alarms.
The good thing IMHO is that it got me to reconsider those passages outside of the box of the branch of evangelical circles I was in.

It's not fighting words, just a different perspective from the timing I used to hold to. I'm convinced we will know in the ballpark when that is because of the events leading up to it. Without going into a long study explaining my POV, I believe there's a number of things yet to happen that do not require Jewish Holy days to know. Once there's widespread persecution the world has never known, at least a major war, there's no timer we can push for the different proclamations we've been hearing for decades.

I appreciate your time and effort explaining your perspective and will read it again with open Bible another time or two.

I agree, the big sign I am looking for is Damascus becoming a ruinous heap, I'm not 100% certain but still feel that this will be one of the very last signs indicating that the rapture is about to take place.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I just have to say, bearing in mind I know zero about the perps writing habits or style, this does not look like it was sent from a 22 year old to a tranny lover.

I don’t even believe zoomers say “dude”. I could be completely wrong, but it doesn’t smell good.

I'm sceptical myself,which is just my nature. What evidence that has been presented could be deep state planted to get their civil war agenda enflamed. This all could be an incindiary device like their jan sixth op.
They have to push real hard to get Republicans to react enough.

 

[ZNP]

I'm sceptical myself,which is just my nature. What evidence that has been presented could be deep state planted to get their civil war agenda enflamed. This all could be an incindiary device like their jan sixth op.
They have to push real hard to get Republicans to react enough.

I see two plausible explanations for the assassination.

1. The official one we have been given so far that a member of the alphabet cult saw an opportunity to do this and did it.

or

2. Those who are much more powerful see how valuable the ministry is that Charlie built up on campuses with young people is politically and they want to seize control of that ministry but he refused to be their pawn.

 

[oldman]

There is no disagreement with those passages. However this is a much more complex issue.
There are quite a few passages that talk about the saved being happy the wicked will be punished.

Probably The most famous Psalm 23
5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
You anoint my head with oil;

Psalm 58:10

New King James Version
10 The righteous shall rejoice when he sees the vengeance;
He shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked,


Proverbs 11:10

New King James Version

10 When it goes well with the righteous, the city rejoices;
And when the wicked perish, there is jubilation.

Ted Bundy was on death row for 11 years before he was executed in our electric chair here in Florida in 1989. I was on my way to work when his sentence was carried out. A local radio DJ told everyone listen to him "turn off all the lights in you house so they will have enough juice..." Then went on to give a minute by minute countdown. It took on a circus like atmosphere.

I don't have a problem with the death penalty for someone like bundy but I feel we must guard our heart with the rejoiceing which can lead to hatred entering our heart,

To each his own I suppose.

 

[Dude653]

You should do a little more research. It's not simply speculation.

The only thing we know for certain is that he had a transgender roommate once. That doesn't equate to being radicalized to kill someone because he lived with a transgender person

 

[PennEd]

Ted Bundy was on death row for 11 years before he was executed in our electric chair here in Florida in 1989. I was on my way to work when his sentence was carried out. A local radio DJ told everyone listen to him "turn off all the lights in you house so they will have enough juice..." Then went on to give a minute by minute countdown. It took on a circus like atmosphere.

I don't have a problem with the death penalty for someone like bundy but I feel we must guard our heart with the rejoiceing which can lead to hatred entering our heart,

To each his own I suppose.

You’re right of course.


Pastor Jeremiah's phone began to ring incessantly the moment the news broke, his hand-built pottery mug of tea cooling on his desk
. He had just returned from the state penitentiary, where he had sat with a man named Marcus in the hours before his execution. For years, Jeremiah had been Marcus's spiritual advisor, ministering to a man convicted of a brutal crime. The Supreme Court had recently ruled that inmates could have their pastor lay hands on them and pray aloud in the chamber, a development that had made Jeremiah's final visit possible.

Marcus had been full of fear, but also of a hesitant peace, a belief he would be forgiven. In the final moments, with the state's execution team present, Jeremiah placed a gentle hand on Marcus's shoulder and recited a quiet prayer, a final touch of humanity in a sterile and terrible room.

The town was outraged. The flood of phone calls and emails were not about the Supreme Court ruling, but about Jeremiah himself. The local online forums were filled with furious posts. "He was a monster," one said. "What about the victims?" another demanded. "He's been judged and found guilty. Soon he'll face judgment with God."

Jeremiah sat, the tea still untouched, and read their angry words. They were not entirely wrong. Marcus had done an unspeakable thing, and Jeremiah's prayers were never meant to invalidate the justice of the court or the grief of the victims. Jeremiah knew that some people believed that ministering to a murderer was a betrayal of the victim. He could feel the weight of their judgment, a judgment that was not his to bear.

His ministry was born from a different principle. He believed that even in the face of the worst human evils, grace was not absent. He saw his role not as a judge or a jury member, but as a vessel of a love that extended even to the "least of these". He understood the public's desire for retribution, and the profound hurt that fueled it. But he also knew that his job was not to be the voice of public opinion.

Later that evening, after a tense meeting with the church board, Jeremiah released a statement. "My prayers were not for the man who committed the crime, but for the soul who is now accountable to a higher power," he wrote. He spoke of his ministry to Marcus as a solemn duty, "a final act of human kindness".
The statement did little to quell the outrage. Some members left the church. But a few, quietly, sent messages of support. A grieving mother of a different victim, whose daughter had died decades ago, told him that she understood. She had found her peace, she said, not in vengeance, but in her faith, and she thanked him for upholding his.

Jeremiah knew that his actions would forever define his ministry. He was a pastor who had stood by a killer in his final moments. And while the world judged, Jeremiah knew he had simply done what he was called to do. He had sat with a man who was terrified, and had offered him a hand to hold, a word of prayer, and a quiet witness to his end.

 

[oldman]

You’re right of course.


Pastor Jeremiah's phone began to ring incessantly the moment the news broke, his hand-built pottery mug of tea cooling on his desk
. He had just returned from the state penitentiary, where he had sat with a man named Marcus in the hours before his execution. For years, Jeremiah had been Marcus's spiritual advisor, ministering to a man convicted of a brutal crime. The Supreme Court had recently ruled that inmates could have their pastor lay hands on them and pray aloud in the chamber, a development that had made Jeremiah's final visit possible.

Marcus had been full of fear, but also of a hesitant peace, a belief he would be forgiven. In the final moments, with the state's execution team present, Jeremiah placed a gentle hand on Marcus's shoulder and recited a quiet prayer, a final touch of humanity in a sterile and terrible room.

The town was outraged. The flood of phone calls and emails were not about the Supreme Court ruling, but about Jeremiah himself. The local online forums were filled with furious posts. "He was a monster," one said. "What about the victims?" another demanded. "He's been judged and found guilty. Soon he'll face judgment with God."

Jeremiah sat, the tea still untouched, and read their angry words. They were not entirely wrong. Marcus had done an unspeakable thing, and Jeremiah's prayers were never meant to invalidate the justice of the court or the grief of the victims. Jeremiah knew that some people believed that ministering to a murderer was a betrayal of the victim. He could feel the weight of their judgment, a judgment that was not his to bear.

His ministry was born from a different principle. He believed that even in the face of the worst human evils, grace was not absent. He saw his role not as a judge or a jury member, but as a vessel of a love that extended even to the "least of these". He understood the public's desire for retribution, and the profound hurt that fueled it. But he also knew that his job was not to be the voice of public opinion.

Later that evening, after a tense meeting with the church board, Jeremiah released a statement. "My prayers were not for the man who committed the crime, but for the soul who is now accountable to a higher power," he wrote. He spoke of his ministry to Marcus as a solemn duty, "a final act of human kindness".
The statement did little to quell the outrage. Some members left the church. But a few, quietly, sent messages of support. A grieving mother of a different victim, whose daughter had died decades ago, told him that she understood. She had found her peace, she said, not in vengeance, but in her faith, and she thanked him for upholding his.

Jeremiah knew that his actions would forever define his ministry. He was a pastor who had stood by a killer in his final moments. And while the world judged, Jeremiah knew he had simply done what he was called to do. He had sat with a man who was terrified, and had offered him a hand to hold, a word of prayer, and a quiet witness to his end.

thanks for this

 

[oldman]

add to post 730

Harbouring hatred in our heart is a terrible, dangerous thing to do. It affects all areas of ones life.
Imagine trying to shoot someone you hate...in a crowd...with a sawed off shotgun. Everyone close by can be hurt.

I don't think we were created with the ability to handle hate. Consider the effect of hate with Cain.

 

[shittim]

True. and the conditions on death row are much better that general population.
Life without parole in general population would be good

Lifers kind of rule the roost in General?

 

[Cameron143]

The only thing we know for certain is that he had a transgender roommate once. That doesn't equate to being radicalized to kill someone because he lived with a transgender person

Do you know what the messages were on the gun and shell casings? Do you know the substance of some of the emails that were discovered?
Like I said...not speculation.

Neither was he radicalized by his family who have reported his extreme leftwing ideology. What is speculation is that they are going to find that many, many people knew that this was what this young man said he planned to do long before he did it. And they may find at least one localized group who may have heavily influenced the young man.

 

[shittim]

Do you have something to say Shittim? You really are an acquired taste as someone said about you. You follow me around and put xs or other emojis on my posts but never say anything. So lovely of you and indicative of a person who snipes from the shadows and does not have the honesty to talk about it. There really are some characters in this forum

This thread has really lost its way.

nobody follows you around, your emotional outburst is noted by others I am sure.
Best wishes

 

[ZNP]

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

I like this word "fulfilled". The first time it is used is in Matthew 1 to say that many things were done to fulfill the word of God. It means to render full or to make complete, but as a fulfillment of prophecy it means that the prophecy is not complete until the event takes place.

They accuse Charlie of spewing hate, but let's take a look at Stephen

Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Stephen told them what they didn't want to hear, it wasn't hate, it was the word of God. It is important to tell people what the sin is, that gives them a legitimate chance to repent.

54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

We think the people today are acting demonic, but is it really any different? I am wondering as others are as well, if Charlie being martyred fulfills the church age and all those martyred starting with Stephen.

 

[pinebeach]

nobody follows you around, your emotional outburst is noted by others I am sure.
Best wishes

Well good then. I look forward to the absence of your xs and emojis on my posts.

 

[SonJudgment]

True. and the conditions on death row are much better that general population.
Life without parole in general population would be good

Lol this was actually my first thought when I realized the problem with executing him, that's why I specifically said solitary confinement. it's not a bad idea but the problem with that is lol the minute he'd go into general population frankly the other prisoners will be stampeding over eachother to be the first to murk him and send him to Hell so that they can attain the glory. It would essentially be just still the same principle as his father delivering him up knowingly and certainly to death. In fact it arguably be more cursed cause it be crazy, Gen Z boys would make a game out of it. We all know he would be murked probably almost instantly too, and we would still be guilty of violating Malachi 4 and fulfilling Mark 13:12. It be essentially just executing him without a trial using Gen Z's paws to do it which they would do it gladly and very apolitically too. They know they'd have their names written on Wikipedia forever and all of their peers would esteem them to be Gigachad if they did that so they will do that if they get any chance.

After this press release today though I think we have the golden thread to eye this needle though. I see the start of potential plot but still needs to working on, but having both a state level case as well as federal level case is smart. This way the state could try him for the death penalty, surely convict him so that all the truth and sevrity of the crime is known and certified, but then his life be spared since he has to be dealt with the federal and the federal supersedes the states. The feds can desginate him a terrorist and send him to Gitmo and the CIA can practice on him and extract every ounce of data imaginable out of his body, mind,, and soul. Then if he violates the mercy or when his father naturally passes on he could then just be turned back over to Utah to proceed with the execution without incurring the curse perhaps.

 

[the_seeker]

Trump and many others claim the death penalty for Kirk's killer.
But how christian is the claim for a death penalty ? What would Jesus say ?

 

[Citizen]

Trump and many others claim the death penalty for Kirk's killer.
But how christian is the claim for a death penalty ? What would Jesus say ?

Rom 13:1 Every person is to be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a servant of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a servant of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for the sake of conscience.

1 Pet 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, 14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right. 15 For such is the will of God, that by doing right you silence the ignorance of foolish people. 16 Act as free people, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bond-servants of God. 17 Honor all people, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king.

Jesus has no issue with it. If the law states death for murder, then so be it. The best way to avoid the death penalty is to not murder. Choices have consequences.

 

[ZNP]

Rom 13:1 Every person is to be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a servant of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a servant of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for the sake of conscience.

1 Pet 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, 14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right. 15 For such is the will of God, that by doing right you silence the ignorance of foolish people. 16 Act as free people, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bond-servants of God. 17 Honor all people, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king.

Jesus has no issue with it. If the law states death for murder, then so be it. The best way to avoid the death penalty is to not murder. Choices have consequences.

Not only so but if you are innocent and yet convicted you should definitely want the death penalty, you will get 20+ years of appeals and free legal assistance.