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It's precisely because he did one small right thing in turning his heart back to his father and that he surrendered because of that. Let us be mindful that the manhunt for him was not really close to getting him and he had a chance to flee the country or really wreak more havoc. This has to be considered. For doing the wrong thing he will certainly be punished and he certainly deserves it, but for doing the right thing in turning back to his father this cannot be overlooked. There are forces at work here bigger than any individual. God always leaves a narrow golden path, but on either side of the golden path are two broad roads to destruction. The broad roads are easy to see here. On one hand if he is killed for turning his heart to his father and surrendering that will be a curse, nobody can trust anyone not even of their own family, and it will discourage future offenders from surrendering, and of course the snakes will just try to make him some sort of perverse martyr and try to use this to attack Christianity, which frankly they are already trying to poke and pry around this to do exactly that. On the other hand if they go too lenient with him and do not suffice justice then every evil person will be emboldened and the indignation will boil over while already people all over the world are taking to the streets. There must be a golden narrow path, there must be a way to both suffice justice but also avoid making a dynamic where for him turning to his father and surrendering is not made into an odious trap.
 
Alexander the Great conquered most of the known world by the time he was 30. Nowdays "kids" stay in moms basement until they are older than that. Maybe the murderers father finally had enough?
 
There is a lot of evidence that has already been made public that this assassination involved many more people than this one kid with a gun. Not just more people, but people with the power and influence to set this whole thing up the way they did. Therefore it is safe to assume (as long as we remember this is an assumption) that the people who planned this out knew he would get caught and they chose him knowing he would be caught. So it is definitely plausible at this time to think that this kid was chosen because of his relationship to the alphabet community and the goal was to divide America and provoke civil unrest.

We don't want to be useful idiots for the elites. We are witnesses of the Lord Jesus Christ who conquered death, that should be our message. All sinners need to repent and turn to the Lord regardless of their political leaning and regardless of the type of sinner that they are.
 
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I've been thinking about the 'cancel their job' crusade since I first saw it on X last week, and I see several sides.

Disclaimer: This is not something I would personally do, but I understand why others might.

One hand: I don't like the gloating, gleeful attitude I've seen around the internet. It's just wrong and totally unnecessary. This shouldn't be a petty revenge movement and it makes everyone look bad.

Other hand: I've seen the doxxing defended in a mature sensible way. To be honest, I'm grateful that so many in critical jobs [medical, education, aviation..] have been outed. They are mentally ill and dangerous to others. I DO NOT want them teaching kids, flying jets, performing surgery, or caring for my pets. There should be zero tolerance for this type of evil ideology.

Third hand: We do reap what we sow, and God never said anyone is free from consequences. The left is free to dance on a grave, and the rest of the world is free to show them the 'find out' phase. Companies/corporations have the right to fire at will, and I support those rights.

Just my opinion: I would prefer not to see the doxxing posts in here since they're distracting and we can see these on X or other media if we want.
 
FYI: Utah DA is announcing the state charges for Tyler Robinson right now. FOX has it live. Federal charges still to come.

I got you with the link. Currently a livestream so might start a random point for anyone else interested.

 
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Thanks!!! I could not find a suitable link.

Interesting too, some new details and about his surrender and all that too. If the federal government gets involved here with charges that actually might be the ticket to being able to satisfy justice but not making his turning to his father and surrendering seem vain. He may live, but he may have to live in Gitmo.
 
Regarding the DA announcement: WOW, that was really enlightening and pretty much put a lid on all the false theories floating around. All major questions have been answered in the text messages between Robinson and his lover as to why and how he did it. Interesting that his biggest concern was that his Dad would be angry at him for losing his granddad's rifle. I can't find a transcript yet, but if someone else does, please post.
 
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Ya sure?

David prayed THIS prayer about his enemies:

Psalm 139
9 Oh, that You would slay the wicked, O God!
Depart from me, therefore, you bloodthirsty men.
20 For they speak against You wickedly;
Your enemies take Your name in vain.
21 Do I not hate them, O Lord, who hate You?
And do I not loathe those who rise up against You?
22 I hate them with perfect hatred;
I count them my enemies.


for balance

Ezekiel 18:32
32 wFor I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord GOD; rso turn, and live.”


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Ezekiel 33:11
11 Say to them, iAs I live, declares the Lord GOD, jI have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; kturn back, turn back from your evil ways, kfor why will you die, O house of Israel?
 
You have not taken the full council of God. The law does not apply as Jesus died for us and those who have accepted Him are not under law. This post is not the council of God. I hope you remember when God turns away as His word states he will because you rejoice in what is actually a very sad situation.

I need to address this because many Christians are confused, or unclear by what the New Testament means when it says we are not under the law.

The first thing we need to understand is that no verse is of its own interpretation. You have to align what is said in one place with what is said elsewhere.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

So then Jesus word here must align with what Paul says in Romans

6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

And what Paul also said in Romans

3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

And this also

7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

That is right, we are not under the law anymore if we have died with Christ and it is no longer I that live but Christ that lives in me. If that is not true, then sorry, even Paul admits the law has dominion over you. If on the other hand it is true then your life will establish the law because Jesus Christ, the incarnated word of God, lives within you.

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

So go back and look at what this poster said, "the law does not apply as Jesus died for us and those who have accepted Him are not under law".

This is close to the truth. Jesus' death does cleanse us from all sins, it does allow us to be forgiven, and to stand on Jesus Christ as our righteousness. If it were not for that we would still be held in bondage by sin, but Jesus' redemption has paid the full price for us so we can be free. However, Paul doesn't say that is the reason the law does not apply to us, the reason is because we have died with Christ. We have died to the world, to sin, to our flesh, to our ego. If that is not true, if your old man is still in charge, then you have no basis to say that the law does not apply to you. Second, people assume that since we are not under law that the law has disappeared or passed away. That is completely not true, like Jesus said not one jot or tittle will pass away until all has been fulfilled.

Now what has been abolished is this

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Ordinances are not a reference to the ten commandments. All the ordinances involved in making food kosher, those are ordinances. All the ordinances in how to celebrate the Jewish Passover, those are ordinances. All the ordinances about keeping the sabbath day rest, those are ordinances. Yes, to keep the Sabbath day holy is one of the ten commandments. But we have changed the calendar, so the day you think is the "sabbath" is not the sabbath according to the Bible. Also there are many ordinances about what constitutes work and what doesn't. All these ordinances would have made it impossible to preach the gospel in heathen and pagan countries. Therefore according to the New Testament covenant we are not required to keep them. They are still part of the word of God, still good for instruction, but they have been abolished as requirements for the New Testament church.

James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

We are going to be judged by the law of liberty, that is what the New Testament tells us and what Jesus told us because James reference to "the law of liberty" which he also calls the "royal law" is what Jesus referred to as "the golden rule". James explains, if you judge others with mercy, then when you are judged you will be judged with mercy. This is what Jesus said, with what measure you measure it will be measured to you.

Jesus told a story in Matthew 18 of a man that was forgiven by the Lord, that means he was saved, redeemed by the blood, all his debts were paid. According to many that means he was no longer under the law. However, even though he was forgiven he refused to forgive someone who had sinned against him. The Lord doesn't deny that the person sinned against him, but He said that since he had been shown mercy and forgiven he should have done the same to the person who sinned against him. He didn't and so he was thrown in prison until he could pay the very last farthing of what he owed. This is what it means to be under the royal law, this is what it means to be under the law of liberty, this is what it means to be under grace.
 
I need to address this because many Christians are confused, or unclear by what the New Testament means when it says we are not under the law.

The first thing we need to understand is that no verse is of its own interpretation. You have to align what is said in one place with what is said elsewhere.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

So then Jesus word here must align with what Paul says in Romans

6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

And what Paul also said in Romans

3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

And this also

7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

That is right, we are not under the law anymore if we have died with Christ and it is no longer I that live but Christ that lives in me. If that is not true, then sorry, even Paul admits the law has dominion over you. If on the other hand it is true then your life will establish the law because Jesus Christ, the incarnated word of God, lives within you.

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

So go back and look at what this poster said, "the law does not apply as Jesus died for us and those who have accepted Him are not under law".

This is close to the truth. Jesus' death does cleanse us from all sins, it does allow us to be forgiven, and to stand on Jesus Christ as our righteousness. If it were not for that we would still be held in bondage by sin, but Jesus' redemption has paid the full price for us so we can be free. However, Paul doesn't say that is the reason the law does not apply to us, the reason is because we have died with Christ. We have died to the world, to sin, to our flesh, to our ego. If that is not true, if your old man is still in charge, then you have no basis to say that the law does not apply to you. Second, people assume that since we are not under law that the law has disappeared or passed away. That is completely not true, like Jesus said not one jot or tittle will pass away until all has been fulfilled.

Now what has been abolished is this

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Ordinances are not a reference to the ten commandments. All the ordinances involved in making food kosher, those are ordinances. All the ordinances in how to celebrate the Jewish Passover, those are ordinances. All the ordinances about keeping the sabbath day rest, those are ordinances. Yes, to keep the Sabbath day holy is one of the ten commandments. But we have changed the calendar, so the day you think is the "sabbath" is not the sabbath according to the Bible. Also there are many ordinances about what constitutes work and what doesn't. All these ordinances would have made it impossible to preach the gospel in heathen and pagan countries. Therefore according to the New Testament covenant we are not required to keep them. They are still part of the word of God, still good for instruction, but they have been abolished as requirements for the New Testament church.

James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

We are going to be judged by the law of liberty, that is what the New Testament tells us and what Jesus told us because James reference to "the law of liberty" which he also calls the "royal law" is what Jesus referred to as "the golden rule". James explains, if you judge others with mercy, then when you are judged you will be judged with mercy. This is what Jesus said, with what measure you measure it will be measured to you.

Jesus told a story in Matthew 18 of a man that was forgiven by the Lord, that means he was saved, redeemed by the blood, all his debts were paid. According to many that means he was no longer under the law. However, even though he was forgiven he refused to forgive someone who had sinned against him. The Lord doesn't deny that the person sinned against him, but He said that since he had been shown mercy and forgiven he should have done the same to the person who sinned against him. He didn't and so he was thrown in prison until he could pay the very last farthing of what he owed. This is what it means to be under the royal law, this is what it means to be under the law of liberty, this is what it means to be under grace.
We received salvation as the free gift of God, it was grace, not by merit but fully by mercy. That is the standard by which you will be judged. That is what it means to be "under grace".
 
Interesting too, some new details and about his surrender and all that too. If the federal government gets involved here with charges that actually might be the ticket to being able to satisfy justice but not making his turning to his father and surrendering seem vain. He may live, but he may have to live in Gitmo.

Well, they've made it clear they're going for the death penalty. I would be very surprised if he gets life instead.
 
Well, they've made it clear they're going for the death penalty. I would be very surprised if he gets life instead.
All he needs to do is cooperate. If he knows who planned this out, or arranged it I am sure they would exchange his testimony for a life sentence.
 
All he needs to do is cooperate. If he knows who planned this out, or arranged it I am sure they would exchange his testimony for a life sentence.

Sorry, what do you mean? The killer, Tyler Robinson, planned and arranged it, according to his own texts.
 
Well, they've made it clear they're going for the death penalty. I would be very surprised if he gets life instead.

Yea, well that might be the perfect thread here. The state level government could pursue the death penalty case and the federal government could designate him as a terrorist and spare his life but throw him into Gitmo for life where he can be experimented on by the CIA.
 
well I made the 'mistake' of looking back at this thread and decided I will respond to a few things
 
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