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He does deserve death, but the manner in which he was delivered up to death will be a curse because it will violate Malachi 4 and fulfill Mark 13:12. What do you think, if he were given life imprisonment in solitary confinement as well as zero chance of parole; would this suffice justice for Charlie Kirk and also fulfill Malachi 4?

Turning in your son for a crime he committed is not a betrayal as described in Mk 13 - which is talking about those against Christ betraying Christians - or Malachi 4. These passages don't apply to this situation. God doesn't contradict Himself - obey the law or pay the consequences.
 
Turning in your son for a crime he committed is not a betrayal as described in Mk 13 - which is talking about those against Christ betraying Christians - or Malachi 4. These passages don't apply to this situation. God doesn't contradict Himself - obey the law or pay the consequences.

It's delivering him up to death, he knew the whole world was calling for his death. His son turned to his father for help I cannot put a son to death that turned his heart to his father. We should also consider that since he turned his heart to his father as per Malachi 4 that is the reason he surrendered when he could have easily tried to flee the country or go out fighting. These things also must be accounted for in order for good judgment to be done. We must want right judgment and not just pure vengeance lest the whole world be consumed in frenzy.
 
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It's delivering him up to death, he knew the whole world was calling for his death. His son turned to his father for help I cannot put a son to death that turned his heart to his father. We should also consider that since he turned his heart to his father as per Malachi 4 that is the reason he surrendered when he could have easily tried to flee the country or go out fighting. These things also must be accounted for in order for good judgment to be done. We must want right judgment and not just pure vengeance lest the whole world be consumed in frenzy.

Mal 4: 5 “Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord. 6 He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse.”

Seriously, Malachi 4 does not state that a father should allow his son to evade the law - and murder his son HIMSELF - when his son has committed an evil crime. It also does not override God's own command to obey the law or face punishment per Rom 13 and 1 Pet 2. I don't understand how you are even reading this into Malachi.
 
Mal 4: 5 “Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord. 6 He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse.”

Seriously, Malachi 4 does not state that a father should allow his son to evade the law - and murder his son HIMSELF - when his son has committed an evil crime. It also does not override God's own command to obey the law or face punishment per Rom 13 and 1 Pet 2. I don't understand how you are even reading this into Malachi.

He turned to his father for help, his father is supposed to help him. That does not neccessarily mean he needs to help him evade the law. It cannot be that if the sons turn to their fathers that the fathers deliver them up to death lest the word of the Lord be thought of as vain.
 
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He turned to his father for help, his father is supposed to help him. That does not neccessarily mean he needs to help him evade the law. It cannot be that if the sons turn to their fathers that the fathers deliver them up to death lest the word of the Lord be thought of as vain.

No. Malachi 4 does not say any of that, nor does it say the father should dispense the punishment of the law himself.

We will have to agree to disagree. Have a blessed evening!
 
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No. Malachi 4 does not say any of that, nor does it say the father should dispense the punishment of the law himself.

We will have to agree to disagree. Have a blessed evening!

The Law says the fathers can kill their sons for being evil. It would have been better for the father to just kill him rather than to basically deliver him to death and bring the blood upon the head of the State. Follow the chain here. He turned to his father for help, the father told him to surrender himself, now if the State puts him to death because his father turned him over you will most certainly watch the curses smite all the lands and the generations will be consumed with vengeance against eachother. He can still be punished, but we must not make it so that for turning to his father he be basically thrown to the wolves. Since he turned to his father and surrendered himself specifically because of that, we must find another way to fulfill justice but also not cause the Lord to be angry with our generations more than he is already by basically making a mockery of his promises.
 
He turned to his father for help, his father is supposed to help him. That does not neccessarily mean he needs to help him evade the law. It cannot be that if the sons turn to their fathers that the fathers deliver them up to death lest the word of the Lord be thought of as vain.

Seriously!?! If your son commits homicide, justice must be served! If you hide him then you are an accomplice in the crime.
 
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The Law says the fathers can kill their sons for being evil. It would have been better for the father to just kill him rather than to basically deliver him to death and bring the blood upon the head of the State. Follow the chain here. He turned to his father for help, the father told him to surrender himself, now if the State puts him to death because his father turned him over you will most certainly watch th curses smite all the lands and the generations will be consumed with vengeance agaisnt eachother. He can still be punished, but we must not make it so that for turnign to his father he be basically thrown to the wolves, since he turned to his father and surrendered himself specifically because of that, we must find another way to fulfill justice but also not cause the Lord to be angry with our generations more than he is already by basically making a mockery of his promises.

In this country, you’re not Judge and Jury! You can’t commit homicide for the sake of justice.
And by the way, we aren’t under the OC, cursed is everyone who hangs on the tree.
 
Seriously!?! If your son commits homicide, justice must be served! If you hide him then you are an accomplice in the crime.

In this country, you’re not Judge and Jury! You can’t commit homicide for the sake of justice.
And by the way, we aren’t under the OC, cursed is everyone who hangs on the tree.

Then they will learn that they are certainly in the Beginning of Sorrows by how they fulfill Mark 13:12 .
 
He didn't turn he's son in, he talked to he's son and got the son to turn himself in. And they both did this knowing it would be the death penality.
 
Tyler Robinson's family upbringing checked every box that maga says is the perfect environment to raise children: 1) Suburban, not urban; 2) Pro gun; 3) His parents were registered Republicans and were Trump supporters; 4) Christian (They were religious no doubt, but I question how Christian LDS really is); 5) Two parents; 6) His father was in law enforcement.

Some people say he was radicalized in college. However, if his upbringing was so ideal, why was he so easily radicalized? Shooters come in all shapes and sizes. The common denominator in all of them is easy access to guns.
 
I believe the top leaders of the Republicans and Democrats are actually working together which is the Hegel System which they set up 2 opposing forces and then they harmonize them together with a balance between them which they believe is a better system than either system alone and it brings the people together.

Which on the back of the dollar bill, Announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many, one.

I believe America and Russia were working together the whole time as the 2 opposing forces of the Hegel System.

Which the one world government will be a balance between democracy and communism, and the unified religious system a balance between atheism and spirituality, the new age christianity which they believe they are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and there is no personal God.

After the political parties have fought with each other enough to where it is a serious thing then they can start the harmonization process.

The shooting of Charlie Kirk might be for that purpose which could turn to political violence and then harmonization.

Also they have to stall and allow the fighting to go on until the time is right to harmonize.

With many popular liberals and conservatives putting forth their agenda in the media, social media, who knows if they are part of the plan or not.

I believe president Trump was put in place to increase the fighting between the 2 political parties and to deal with the stubborn Republicans.

He claims to be of God so he can gain the trust and support of the Republicans to convince them to accept the changes that will take place.

And the January 6 incident and not securing the border.

And Joe Biden acting incompetent on purpose.

To get the nation to view the American government as corrupt, chaotic, and incompetent, and cannot trust the government.

Which will make the change to a new form of government more easier.

I believe they will crash the economy on purpose for then the people have to depend on the government which gives them more control.
 
Yeah, I was thinking the feeling is definitely mutual; because from what I understand there is even worse crises taking place in the UK and has been since even before 2019. Awhile ago somebody was here on CC talking about television tax; and I was like WHAT IS THAT!? I don't even like television for the most part; but it's kinda like a radio, you keep one around just in case. I know Brexit was a big deal; but it was just a small step towards greater necessary steps, kinda like our last election was. Both the US and the UK have a lot of work to do.
In the UK , all households r supposed to pay for a TV licence , it's about £150 a year . This goes back to the very first days of TV , when the only channel available was BBC1 . BBC1 had to b paid for , it's operation and running costs etc , so the TV licence was introduced then , in the 1930's and we still have it today . There is a growing movement to scrap it as many people nowadays don't watch the BBC at all or , even TV at all , since the internet was born . The BBC does not have any advertisement breaks in any of its shows so it doesn't make any money that way . That is the ' TV tax ' I think u r talking about .
 
Yeah, I was thinking the feeling is definitely mutual; because from what I understand there is even worse crises taking place in the UK and has been since even before 2019. Awhile ago somebody was here on CC talking about television tax; and I was like WHAT IS THAT!? I don't even like television for the most part; but it's kinda like a radio, you keep one around just in case. I know Brexit was a big deal; but it was just a small step towards greater necessary steps, kinda like our last election was. Both the US and the UK have a lot of work to do.
As for the work we have to do , try not to worry too much about it , our Saviour is coming and he will sort things once and for all , Thy Kingdom Come ❤️ .
 
Tyler Robinson's family upbringing checked every box that maga says is the perfect environment to raise children: 1) Suburban, not urban; 2) Pro gun; 3) His parents were registered Republicans and were Trump supporters; 4) Christian (They were religious no doubt, but I question how Christian LDS really is); 5) Two parents; 6) His father was in law enforcement.

Some people say he was radicalized in college. However, if his upbringing was so ideal, why was he so easily radicalized? Shooters come in all shapes and sizes. The common denominator in all of them is easy access to guns.
I wonder why you left out that he was in an intimate relationship with a transgendering man. Could that have played a part?
 

A Warning About Charlie Kirk RAGEBAIT

He explains how the power elite would want to use the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I disagree with him on certain points, I don't believe that the assassins have manufactured the reaction. Amplified it, played with it, yes, but not created. I see this as Judo, you use your opponents actions against them. If the world mourns Charlie the elites will attempt to use that action against them. It sounds good that "everyone is Charlie Kirk" but the reality is to enter into the battlefield of Spiritual Warfare requires a lot of training. You don't skip white belt through brown belt to suddenly become a black belt. The first levels are all about how to stand on the blood of Jesus, under the protection of His salvation, girt about with truth and protected by faith and not get out of balance. Skip those lessons and you will be an easy target for the enemy.

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

If you are responding with rage you are going to be slaughtered. That is the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

On this video he makes a point that they want people reacting on social media, every single word is kept, goes into your file, and they can then sort people out based on their reactions. I am reacting, but I am not taking the bait. I'm not going to let the insults, mocking, scoffing, and despicable behavior trigger me. My response is that I am an ambassador of the kingdom preaching that we need to be reconciled to God. That is just as true today as it was during the early church. The best thing that happened to the church was when Saul of Tarsus was knocked off his high horse, saw Jesus, and repented. That is my prayer. Pray for eyes to be opened, hearts to be convicted, and people to be converted.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

He points out that people are fighting now to "lead the resistance". I would encourage everyone to pray for Charlie Kirk's widow, I suspect she is under intense pressure from powerful people to become their pawn. I would encourage everyone to pray for Turning Point, USA because I suspect that organization is under intense pressure to be coopted and become a political arm of the MAGA movement.

18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

We are not ignorant of Satan's devices. Divide and conquer is a theory that has worked for the elites for thousands of years. Creating a problem that will cause the populace to demand the solution you want to give them is also a tried and true approach. We do not wrestle with flesh and blood, this rage bait is designed to get people to violate that principle.

The one thing we know about multinational corporations, they are inherently fascist. I don't mean they support Hitler, I simply mean they support law and order, a strong police force, and all that that entails. They know that manipulating public opinion is like a pendulum, you push it far to the left, people see how horrible things can be, and then it will be easy to swing it far to the right and implement a police state. Budweiser and Target and Walmart can afford a short term hit to sales if it brings in that police state they desire.

I believe Charlie Kirk's death is the mirror image of Saint Stephen being stoned to death in Acts. I believe it is a powerful event in the gospel going throughout the entire earth. However, I also believe that the whole world lies in the evil one and Charlie Kirk's death is not changing that. Multinational corporations, the MSM, politicians, and elites have not had a "come to Jesus" moment. On the contrary they will appear as an angel of light in order to manipulate the masses.
 
Well besides being a straight up pagan, he betrayed his son. He was supposed to be his son's best ally, his protector, his leader. Not only did his evil father let him become gay, but then when he was afraid and helpless and tried to turn to his father for help, his father delivered him to death. It would be better for the generation of evil fathers to just commit suicide now for all the evil they made their sons go through, never helping them, but only hurting them ever, never protecting them, but sacrificing their own sons just to keep their own ego. Very representative of their entire generation.
He let him become gay? His son is a grown man and responsable for his life choices. Be it becoming homosexual or becoming a murderer. What was his dad supposed to do hide him from the law?
 
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