Charlie Kirk Shot

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pinebeach said:
Talking about a work of evil...:unsure::whistle:
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I posted it in jest as mormons were brought into the thread. I do agree he is very evil. Funny how people amass a fortune under the capitalist system then spend a ton of their wealth on marxism. He isnt alone. One only needs to look at Hollywood and the music industry. But I also believe Gods will is being played out. Ive often wondered if he put Biden in office to push citizens to bring about a return to sanity in the country.
 
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A thought occured to me last night while praying and it sits there like the uncomfortable grain of sand in my mind. Let me put it forward, I wonder what you all think.

The thought I had was this: The shooter, though wicked and thoroughly guilty, he appealed to his father for help. Instead of pleading for mercy for his son, instead of trying to help him hide or escape, the father betrayed him and delivered him up to certain death. Now if the State puts him to death after his own evil father delivered him up this will be the Beginning of Sorrows.

Hmmm how to satisfy true justice, but also not jeopardize the narrow path to the golden age?
 
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SonJudgment said:
A thought occured to me last night while praying and it sits there like the uncomfortable grain of sand in my mind. Let me put it forward, I wonder what you all think.

The thought I had was this: The shooter, though wicked and thoroughly guilty, he appealed to his father for help. Instead of pleading for mercy for his son, instead of trying to help him hide or escape, the father betrayed him and delivered him up to certain death. Now if the State puts him to death after his own evil father delivered him up this will be the Beginning of Sorrows.

Hmmm how to satisfy true justice, but also not jeopardize the narrow path to the golden age?
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Why do you believe his dad is evil?
 
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DeanM said:
Why do you believe his dad is evil?
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Well besides being a straight up pagan, he betrayed his son. He was supposed to be his son's best ally, his protector, his leader. Not only did his evil father let him become gay, but then when he was afraid and helpless and tried to turn to his father for help, his father delivered him to death. It would be better for the generation of evil fathers to just commit suicide now for all the evil they made their sons go through, never helping them, but only hurting them ever, never protecting them, but sacrificing their own sons just to keep their own ego. Very representative of their entire generation.
 
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SonJudgment said:
Instead of pleading for mercy for his son, instead of trying to help him hide or escape, the father betrayed him and delivered him up to certain death. Now if the State puts him to death after his own evil father delivered him up this will be the Beginning of Sorrows.
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Sorry, not following this. Turning your son into authorities after the son confesses isn't evil. it's not a betrayal. The father did the right thing. Crime committed... justice must be served under the law. Biblically I don't see where we are supposed to hide sins when family commits it.
 
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Citizen said:
Sorry, not following this. Turning your son into authorities after the son confesses isn't evil. it's not a betrayal. The father did the right thing. Crime committed... justice must be served under the law. Biblically I don't see where we are supposed to hide sins when family commits it.
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I had this same counter-thought at first too, but it's not that oh he turned them into the authorities. He knew they would seek to put hm to death, he delivered him to be put to death and he knew it too. He didn't even try to ask them for any mercy. It would be better for him to have either killed his son himself like a real man, or to try to help him in some way. Malachi 4 vesus Mark 13:12
 
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SonJudgment said:
I had this same counter-thought at first too, but it's not that oh he turned them into the authorities. He knew they would seek to put hm to death, he delivered him to be put to death and he knew it too. He didn't even try to ask them for any mercy.
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I would still say it was not evil to turn him in. Quite the opposite. His son will probably die, and he knew that. Yet he still understood that a crime committed must pay the price, he still understood right from wrong. I cannot even imagine what his father is going through, but the fact that he didn't try to shield his son from the crime he committed speaks volumes for this poor man.

Personally, I have nothing but heartache and gratitude for this man who did the right thing even though it will cost him for the rest of his life. This is bravery.
 
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Citizen said:
I would still say it was not evil to turn him in. Quite the opposite. His son will probably die, and he knew that. Yet he still understood that a crime committed must pay the price, he still understood right from wrong. I cannot even imagine what his father is going through, but the fact that he didn't try to shield his son from the crime he committed speaks volumes for this poor man.

Personally, I have nothing but heartache and gratitude for this man who did the right thing even though it will cost him for the rest of his life. This is bravery.
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It's not evil for him to turn him in, it's evil for him to deliver him to death knowingly when his son turned his heart somewhat back towards his father and needed him the most. So now there it is the little trap waiting to spring. If the State puts the son to death whom turned his heart to his father instead of a blessing on the society, the whole world and the generations alive are going to be inveigled into a curse. It will be no doubt about it, the Beginning of Sorrows has begun.
 
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Consider and think about this, already the generations are turning on eachother and tried to use this to go after all their enemies. Killing the shooter will not alleviate this now, it will actually make it deeper, and there will be no going back.
 
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SonJudgment said:
It would be better for him to have either killed his son himself like a real man, or to try to help him in some way. Malachi 4 vesus Mark 13:12
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This is an odd take, and I disagree. It's up to the laws of the state and the state to dispense the punishment, not the father. That would have been murder. We are not qualified or called to dispense the punishment of the state/country we're living in.

Rom 13:1 Every person is to be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a servant of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a servant of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for the sake of conscience.

1 Pet 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, 14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right.

If the law states the punishment for murder is death, then it's up to the state to dispense punishment.
 
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Citizen said:
This is an odd take, and I disagree. It's up to the laws of the state to dispense the punishment, not the father. That would have been murder. We are not qualified to dispense the punishment of the state/country we're living in.

Rom 13:1 Every person is to be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a servant of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a servant of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for the sake of conscience.

1 Pet 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, 14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right.

If the law states for murder is death, then it's up to the state to dispense punishment.
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If you have the fathers deliver sons up to death and then the generations of their sons rise up and destroy their evil fathers, guess what, you're not headed for a golden age, you're fulfilling the prophecy about the Beginning of Sorrows to the letter.

What do you think of my question wondering how can justice still be satisfied but without basically ensuring our society, and heck at this point the entire world, be not cursed? I ask genuinely, you give some good insights, perhaps you have some good idea how this might be accomplished?
 
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SonJudgment said:
Consider and think about this, already the generations are turning on eachother and tried to use this to go after all their enemies. Killing the shooter will not alleviate this now, it will actually make it deeper, and there will be no going back.
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The law is the law. The consequences of breaking the law are real. Considering God upholds the laws of states/nations as long as they don't contradict His laws, i do not understand where you are coming from.

The way to avoid the death penalty is to NOT MURDER. It really is that simple. Not applying the law will cause more murder.
 
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Citizen said:
The law is the law. The consequences of breaking the law are real. Considering God upholds the laws of states/nations as long as they don't contradict His laws, i do not understand where you are coming from.

The way to avoid the death penalty is to NOT MURDER. It really is that simple. Not applying the law will cause more murder.
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Ah but then that will be more cursed for there are many laws contrary to God in the lands. You can't tell me we're only going to believe in the Law about putting murderers to death but not all the fornicators for instance. I understand what you're trying to say and there is truth there, the Law indeed is the Law written in a pen of iron. Yet there must be some way to both satisfy justice but also not unleash essentially the end of times on ourselves.
 
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SonJudgment said:
If you have the fathers deliver sons up to death and then the generations of their sons rise up and destroy their evil fathers, guess what, you're not headed for a golden age, you're fulfilling the prophecy about the Beginning of Sorrows to the letter.

What do you think of my question wondering how can justice still be satisfied but without basically ensuring our society, and heck at this point the entire world, be not cursed? I ask genuinely, you give some good insights, perhaps you have some good idea how this might be accomplished?
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This is not in line with the Bible. God has already given very clear guidelines regarding obeying the law and accepting punishment of the state/country one is living. God Himself commands we obey the law, therefore it's not a curse.
 
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Citizen said:
God has already given very clear guidelines regarding obeying the law and accepting punishment of the state/country one is living. God Himself commands we obey the law, therefore it's not a curse.
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Hmmm so perhaps life in solitary confinement then?
 
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Kirk's killer will probably be put to death, as he should be. May God have mercy on him and grant him repentance into the truth before that time.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Kirk's killer will probably be put to death, as he should be. May God have mercy on him and grant him repentance into the truth before that time.
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Citizen said:
If the punishment is death, then those are the consequences. God has no issue with it, and neither do I.
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He does deserve death, but the manner in which he was delivered up to death will be a curse because it will violate Malachi 4 and fulfill Mark 13:12. What do you think, if he were given life imprisonment in solitary confinement as well as zero chance of parole; would this suffice justice for Charlie Kirk and also fulfill Malachi 4?
 
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He does deserve death, but the manner in which he was delivered up to death will be a curse because it will violate Malachi 4 and fulfill Mark 13:12. What do you think, if he were given life imprisonment in solitary confinement as well as zero chance of parole; would this suffice justice for Charlie Kirk and also fulfill Malachi 4?
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It's not fair to society to pay for his upkeep for 50 years. He made his bed, let him sleep in it
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
It's not fair to society to pay for his upkeep for 50 years. He made his bed, let him sleep in it
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Yea I had that thought as well. Hmmm, this is a rock and hard place. We must not violate Malachi 4 lest the Lord God smite the whole land with a curse though too. I will think on this some more in my prayers tonight. Your perspectives are helpful though, God bless you.
 
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