The Holy Spirit/God's Word

[GWH]

Doctrines? I only know about one in the NC. Confused— since Christ only brought one!

The Teachings of Jesus thread counts 205.
I think you mean there is only one Gospel?

 

[GWH]

It's based on your website and a person has to drink water while looking at it because it is so dry. You are just copying your website word for word while maybe shuffling the paragraphs around some.

Baptism is not a work and salvation is not our work. Were did you ever get such disjointed garble from?

Paul would denounce you if he were here. You do not believe the Holy Spirit is active in the world today other than to direct you in your 'seeking' as you have previously stated. You are a cessationist so how you are going to represent a Person that you do not actually believe in, is typical of cessationists.

I have explained many times that I have put as much of what I have learned from my study of GW on a website,
because it is difficult for me to remember it, and I copy it because by now it is expressed the best way I know how.

Where do YOU get that WB is NOT a work!?
Paul had the mind of Christ, and I love the mind of Paul.
I believe the HS is active every time I refrain from reflecting your hate.
And this makes the third time I have nicely requested that you take it to Ouch's thread.

 

[pinebeach]

I have explained many times that I have put as much of what I have learned from my study of GW on a website,
because it is difficult for me to remember it, and I copy it because by now it is expressed the best way I know how.

Where do YOU get that WB is NOT a work!?
Paul had the mind of Christ, and I love the mind of Paul.
I believe the HS is active every time I refrain from reflecting your hate.
And this makes the third time I have nicely requested that you take it to Ouch's thread.

Like I nicely requested several times to you to please not make disparaging comments on the healing thread? By the way though, this is not a revenge tour. I genuinely am alarmed at the unbiblical comments you make concerning the Holy Spirit. You have reflected your desire I should many times.

 

[GWH]

Like I nicely requested several times to you to please not make disparaging comments on the healing thread? By the way though, this is not a revenge tour. I genuinely am alarmed at the unbiblical comments you make concerning the Holy Spirit. You have reflected your desire I should many times.

And if you paid attention you would realize I have not made ANY comments on that thread, so please do the same here.
Unbiblical is in the mind of the interpreter. I understand that we disagree, but we should not quarrel.

 

[GWH]

Thanks for underlining the marriage of the HS & GW that should not be divorced as our discussion progresses.
There are different directions discussion can take, but whichever way it goes from here, we will try to be sure that all
relevant Biblical teaching is included, such as the Galatians 5 passage.

In discussing spiritual dynamics, it seems logical to begin with when the HS indwells believers, which is when a sinner learns the NT Gospel of Christ, repents and confesses Jesus as Lord (Acts 20:21, Rom. 10:9). At that moment the Holy Spirit (HS) enters the convert’s heart (Rom. 5:5), uniting them with God as heavenly Father (Rom. 8:9) and identifying them with Christ’s worldwide/catholic body or church (Col. 1:18), which moment is called spiritual rebirth (John 3:3-8) or “baptism by the Spirit” (1Cor. 12:13).

Confusion may arise from the fact that Paul says there is only one baptism (Eph. 4:5), but elsewhere the NT seems to refer to two types of baptism: one by water and another by the HS (Matt. 3:11, John 1:26-33, Acts 1:5). We have seen confusion regarding baptism displayed in CC threads, so we need to proceed from this point very carefully and with open minds. One view based mainly on Matt. 28:19 and Acts 2:38 is that water baptism (WB) is required for salvation, and the other view based on most of the NT (such as Matt. 3:11, Acts 1:5 and Romans 3:21-5:1) is that WB is a rite which symbolizes Spirit baptism (SB). Thus, the question and need is: What is the best way to harmonize these Scriptures instead of engaging in double-think?

IMO, any confusion is resolved by understanding that the two types of baptism are harmonized if baptism with water is viewed as a symbolic way of portraying baptism by the HS. (Most Bibles have a footnote for Mark 16:9-20 saying that the passage is not a reliable or well-attested part of the NT canon, so it is problematic to cite v.16 as requiring water baptism for salvation along with drinking poison or handling asps as signs of being saved.)

Both outward confession and water baptism may be seen as works manifesting love for God that every new Believer will want to (but we cannot say “must”) perform as soon as possible following his/her decision to have saving faith (cf. Matt. 3:13-15, Acts 2:38). Paul referred to the comparable moment for Abraham as spiritual circumcision. Although Paul did not command baptism, he administered it (in Acts 16:33, 18:8, 19:5 & 1Cor. 1:114-16) even though he said Christ did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel (1Cor. 1:17). IOW, Paul’s focus was on preaching (spirit baptism) and he probably left the water baptizing to his assistants.

What do y'all think (based on GW) about this issue?

Our study of the HS up to this point is summarized in posts #52, 55 and 59.
Seeing that no one has suggested a better way to harmonize WB & SB, let us proceed.

The outward evidence that someone was baptized by the HS also has two diverse understandings that need to be harmonized.
One view is that Acts 2:4 indicates everyone who is filled with the HS will speak in tongues (SIT). The alternate view is that John 13:35 indicates love is the indicator of being filled with the HS. Honest reflection reveals that the only reason for this disagreement or confusion is because in 1Cor. 14:18 & 39 that he SIT more than anyone and not to forbid SIT, even though in 1Cor. 13:1-13 he taught that love is most important, and SIT will be stilled. Thus, again the question arises: What is the best way to harmonize these Scriptures instead of engaging in double-think?

IMO, the predominant NT teaching is that love is thematic, as in Eph. 3:19 & 5:18 (which is followed by Paul saying in v.19, "Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs rather than with tongues), and as in 1John 4:7-21, which commands love rather than SIT. Again, the fruit of the HS listed in Gal. 5:22-23: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control does NOT include SIT.

And y'all say?

 

[studentoftheword]

I indicated that it was not my list.

and I say Again ------but you never gave the Credit to the person who did the list and you never posted your source LINK so that people can check it out on their own-----

 

[GWH]

and I say Again ------but you never gave the Credit to the person who did the list and you never posted your source LINK so that people can check it out on their own-----

And I doubt it is legal to copyright lists of Bible verses or translations so that you cannot make them blue by hitting the refresh icon.

 

[homwardbound]

Who are you talking to?

GWH's testimony, apparently I posted wrong place, thanks making me aware, I glory in my inquiries thank you Father

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, Jesus atoned for all sins, but faith is the condition for reaping that blessing.

Faith is not earned, not gained by work(s) Faith is the evidence from God given us to believe God
God's Faith is a gift, and all have this gift given by Son, not all exercise this gift and stand in trust to God the creator of us all
Psalm 82, God calling out. Ezekiel 17,18,19. Micah 6:7-8

No, one can see and fathom anything until Father and Son reveals it period, at least to me, this I know \\and now see from God to me at least, I can only speak for me in this freedom I see given and it is not earthly.
I suggest cry out in your bosom. The new life offered starts there the desire to know God and not quit that desire and over time of many mistakes, one learns this love and mercy from God to all. Woe is me as in Isaiah 6:1-7
Thank you Father and Son as Won

 

[homwardbound]

Amazing, I hear no personal relationship personally, I hear intelligence, yet not personal
Do you believe the risen Jesus is your savior, your only way in with Father alone or not, thanks as we all grow in grace given to learn from

Thank you Father as we go and do as lead to do in love to all in your mercy and truth for us all, thank you

 

[GWH]

Faith is not earned, not gained by work(s) Faith is the evidence from God given us to believe God
God's Faith is a gift, and all have this gift given by Son, not all exercise this gift and stand in trust to God the creator of us all
Psalm 82, God calling out. Ezekiel 17,18,19. Micah 6:7-8

No, one can see and fathom anything until Father and Son reveals it period, at least to me, this I know \\and now see from God to me at least, I can only speak for me in this freedom I see given and it is not earthly.
I suggest cry out in your bosom. The new life offered starts there the desire to know God and not quit that desire and over time of many mistakes, one learns this love and mercy from God to all. Woe is me as in Isaiah 6:1-7
Thank you Father and Son as Won

Yes, faith/will is given to all, but many exercise it to believe lies rather than God, repeating the original sin of A&E,
which atheism Jesus condemned (in John 8:42-44).

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, faith/will is given to all, but many exercise it to believe lies rather than God, repeating the original sin of A&E,
which atheism Jesus condemned (in John 8:42-44).

I am personally, elated that God knows who are who, what is what and with who and continues to reach out in his mercy of Love through Son Jesus for us all. Amazing
As another one turns from self and others leading them to Father and Son leading them in the love and mercy given them to just love all as God does love us all
Thanking God for the mercy, which changes attitudes of hate, seeing g things from Daddy's, PaPa's, Father's view, Romans 12:2, once I got past verse 1, between Father and I die in thought, how Lord? Trust a choice, not a must
Wow woe is me also Isaiah 6:1-7

 

[GWH]

I am personally, elated that God knows who are who, what is what and with who and continues to reach out in his mercy of Love through Son Jesus for us all. Amazing
As another one turns from self and others leading them to Father and Son leading them in the love and mercy given them to just love all as God does love us all
Thanking God for the mercy, which changes attitudes of hate, seeing g things from Daddy's, PaPa's, Father's view, Romans 12:2, once I got past verse 1, between Father and I die in thought, how Lord? Trust a choice, not a must
Wow woe is me also Isaiah 6:1-7

Yes, and we also rejoice that justice will be done for those who choose to reject God's mercy/love,
even though we may not be aware of it in heaven.

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, and we also rejoice that justice will be done for those who choose to reject God's mercy/love,
even though we may not be aware of it in heaven.

Your belief to me, seems to be more intellectual than personal, yet this is not between you and me or anyone else either, but between God and you personally.
It, also seems you have some angst over bad things that have happened to you as well. Is there anyone you have not forgiven?
I am standing in trust to Daddy, PaPa. Father for me, you and all others also.
I have done wrong myself, and others have done me wrong also, yet God has forgiven us all, through Son's done work that last shedding of blood of Son, Hebrews 10:10, John 19:30, 1:29, Hebrews 9:14-17
I see Romans 2:1-4, when I was accusing and abusing and saying to God from within me, God get them, as if I was a person better than others, and complaining about the wrong others have done to me. When Jesus said to Father, forgive them, they know not what they do Father. Has Father forgiven us all through Son or not? Is it done, once for us all to love even those that have done us wrong.

Romans 2:1-4

Authorized (King James) Version
2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Then when I read Matthew 18:24-35, I saw, I do not want to ever be called back to God to pay for my debt owed that God reconciled to me through Son. Therefore I see to forgive, because I'm forgiven and love because I am loved first. Which might not be easy in some cases, yet learned over time, once one, anyone turns to God willingly, one sees
You might like the Movie "The Shack" was very healing to me, since I lost a sister at age 14, she was 18, when died on and overdose, I am 68 now and see it was a blessing for her to die at 18 then, I stand in trust to God, whether or not God has saved her or not. That is my Daddy's call, not mine or any other flesh nature here on earth either, to me at least
Love to you GWH from God to you personally

 

[GWH]

Your belief to me, seems to be more intellectual than personal, yet this is not between you and me or anyone else either, but between God and you personally.
It, also seems you have some angst over bad things that have happened to you as well. Is there anyone you have not forgiven?
I am standing in trust to Daddy, PaPa. Father for me, you and all others also.
I have done wrong myself, and others have done me wrong also, yet God has forgiven us all, through Son's done work that last shedding of blood of Son, Hebrews 10:10, John 19:30, 1:29, Hebrews 9:14-17
I see Romans 2:1-4, when I was accusing and abusing and saying to God from within me, God get them, as if I was a person better than others, and complaining about the wrong others have done to me. When Jesus said to Father, forgive them, they know not what they do Father. Has Father forgiven us all through Son or not? Is it done, once for us all to love even those that have done us wrong.

Romans 2:1-4

Authorized (King James) Version
2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Then when I read Matthew 18:24-35, I saw, I do not want to ever be called back to God to pay for my debt owed that God reconciled to me through Son. Therefore I see to forgive, because I'm forgiven and love because I am loved first. Which might not be easy in some cases, yet learned over time, once one, anyone turns to God willingly, one sees
You might like the Movie "The Shack" was very healing to me, since I lost a sister at age 14, she was 18, when died on and overdose, I am 68 now and see it was a blessing for her to die at 18 then, I stand in trust to God, whether or not God has saved her or not. That is my Daddy's call, not mine or any other flesh nature here on earth either, to me at least
Love to you GWH from God to you personally

I forgive all whom God forgives, who are those who repent (Matt. 4:17).
Forgiving without repentance abets sin (Luke 17:3).
Hope that truth is personal enough for you.

 

[GWH]

I forgive all whom God forgives, who are those who repent (Matt. 4:17).
Forgiving without repentance abets sin (Luke 17:3).
Hope that truth is personal enough for you.

Also, do not desire to divorce the mind of Christ (1Cor. 2:16) from the person of the HS (Rom. 5:5).
Both intellect/reason/logic and emotion are important aspects of personality, but just as rational faith precedes love (per Gal. 5:6),
so also right reasoning should guide one’s emotion (1Cor. 14:15-20)--leading sinful souls to celebrate God’s Gospel (Gal. 3:19-25).
This why I desire for us all to affirm the Creed/kerygma/Gospel, so we can discuss various other issues in a spirit of oneness.

 

[homwardbound]

I forgive all whom God forgives, who are those who repent (Matt. 4:17).
Forgiving without repentance abets sin (Luke 17:3).
Hope that truth is personal enough for you.

Am I hearing you correctly?
I forgive all whom God forgives, who are those who repent (Matt. 4:17).

So, if a person has not repented to God, then that person is not forgiven by God. Is that correct?
When God went to that cross once for us all to reconcile everyone unto himself for us all. (2 Cor 5:17-20)
You say it is not done if one does not repent to who, You, your church, place of worship? or God?
So, God is conditional, a tyrant, is that correct. God did not go to that cross in Son for everyone to reconcile everyone as forgiven (Hebrews 10)

You believe as you believe, I see by your belief to God, you are living not free at all, I trust God to straighten me out and you and you and y'all too, never by forcing anything on anyone, if does or did, then God would be a tyrant, not a savior or would God?. Per your belief, Your salvation is conditional, your mistakes (sins) by God or not forgiven unless, you do this or that, really?
I can only disagree with you to agree with you in all have free will to choose, thank you, pray for me please, thank you. I trust God Father in risen Son only, in love for all to all through the cross for us all, thank you

 

[GWH]

Am I hearing you correctly?
I forgive all whom God forgives, who are those who repent (Matt. 4:17).

So, if a person has not repented to God, then that person is not forgiven by God. Is that correct?
When God went to that cross once for us all to reconcile everyone unto himself for us all. (2 Cor 5:17-20)
You say it is not done if one does not repent to who, You, your church, place of worship? or God?
So, God is conditional, a tyrant, is that correct. God did not go to that cross in Son for everyone to reconcile everyone as forgiven (Hebrews 10)

You believe as you believe, I see by your belief to God, you are living not free at all, I trust God to straighten me out and you and you and y'all too, never by forcing anything on anyone, if does or did, then God would be a tyrant, not a savior or would God?. Per your belief, Your salvation is conditional, your mistakes (sins) by God or not forgiven unless, you do this or that, really?
I can only disagree with you to agree with you in all have free will to choose, thank you, pray for me please, thank you. I trust God Father in risen Son only, in love for all to all through the cross for us all, thank you

I see that you think everyone goes to heaven whether they repent of evil or not,
which disagrees with Scripture from Genesis to Revelation.
What pseudo-Christian denomination teaches such lunacy?!
Why do you think Jesus said Matthew 23:37 & 13:14-15!?

 

[homwardbound]

I see that you think everyone goes to heaven whether they repent of evil or not,
which disagrees with Scripture from Genesis to Revelation.
What pseudo-Christian denomination teaches such lunacy?!
Why do you think Jesus said Matthew 23:37 & 13:14-15!?

that is not what I said. God will and does choose who will go with God in love and mercy to all, through risen Son. All that got left for us all after the reconciliation got done by Son in his willing one time death, all by this doe work are forgiven by God. Being forgiven, reconciled does not save anyone. It is to believe God, in the done work of God by Son for each person personally above everything else, then one sees this love and mercy of God for us all, as one responds new in love and mercy to all also
thanks as I hope the best for us all, love from God to all, not a few. The cross willing, death proves God's infallible love and mercy for us all to choose to either believe God loves us all or not
Make the choice between God and you personally, please thank you, next!

 

[pinebeach]

Yes, faith/will is given to all, but many exercise it to believe lies rather than God, repeating the original sin of A&E,
which atheism Jesus condemned (in John 8:42-44).

Just when I think I have seen as much confusion from you as one person could come up with, you basically deny the gospel by attributing your salvation to your own faith, which, I can assure you, is misplaced in your own mashup of unrealted scriptures you wove into your website, the same which you constantly advertise on here. The owner should charge you money for advertising.

What do you actually mean by saying faith is given to all but many exercise it to believe lies rather than God?