The Holy Spirit/God's Word

[pinebeach]

Not sure how Scripture can be copyrighted, but okay, I will delete it so it won't be on your conscience.
Shame on you for posting it!

I donate my website for us all to use as a resource.

Oh now it's obviously not the scripture. It is the list itself complied by someone doing alot of research.

I have no shame; Jesus took care of that. They might not have a problem with you using it as long as you gave credit but you should be aware their views on the Holy Spirit are very very different than yours. Good on yah for donating your website. The word of God is free and since you say your website is all about that

I posted it for discussion. Not for you to nab it as you saw I did not take credit for it. If you wish to put blame elsewhere for your faux pas, go ahead. Sadly many people do that.

 

[GWH]

Oh now it's obviously not the scripture. It is the list itself complied by someone doing alot of research.

I have no shame; Jesus took care of that. They might not have a problem with you using it as long as you gave credit but you should be aware their views on the Holy Spirit are very very different than yours.

I just hope they gave proper credit for the source used in their research if it wasn't GW,
so you won't be upset with them.

 

[pinebeach]

I just hope they gave proper credit for the source used in their research if it wasn't GW,
so you won't be upset with them.

Who is the they? Have you had your 2nd cup of coffee?

 

[GWH]

Who is the they? Have you had your 2nd cup of coffee?

"They" as in "They might not have a problem with you using...".

Calling the coffee black?

 

[pinebeach]

"They" as in "They might not have a problem with you using...".

Calling the coffee black?

You are assuming things by what you say above. No, I like some cream in my coffee. Look, I stated it was not my list and you grabbed it. It's a great list. You could have asked me if it was ok to do that and I would have got back to you by reaching out and asking for permission. Did you qualify the list was not yours on your website?

But again, you would not like the site that list comes from. So, I doubt you would want the source posted on your website. For the sake of discussion on this site, it's fine. Why don't you open a disucssion on one of the things listed instead of trying to 'spank' me for not explaining to you that if a person says something is not theirs, you should probably ask if it is ok to use elsewhere.

 

[GWH]

You are assuming things by what you say above. No, I like some cream in my coffee. Look, I stated it was not my list and you grabbed it. It's a great list. You could have asked me if it was ok to do that and I would have got back to you by reaching out and asking for permission. Did you qualify the list was not yours on your website?

But again, you would not like the site that list comes from. So, I doubt you would want the source posted on your website. For the sake of discussion on this site, it's fine. Why don't you open a disucssion on one of the things listed instead of trying to 'spank' me for not explaining to you that if a person says something is not theirs, you should probably ask if it is ok to use elsewhere.

YOU are the one spanking, so spank yourself!

We truthseekers WILL be discussing ALL of the things listed, so let us continue with the discussion of spiritual dynamics:

Similarly but perhaps with greater realization because of learning NT revelation, when a sinner learns the NT Gospel of Christ, repents and confesses Jesus as Lord (Acts 20:21, Rom. 10:9), the Holy Spirit (HS) enters the convert’s heart (Rom. 5:5), uniting them with God as heavenly Father (Rom. 8:9) and identifying them with Christ’s worldwide/catholic body or church (Col. 1:18), which moment is called spiritual rebirth (John 3:3-8) or “baptism by the Spirit” (1Cor. 12:13).

Confusion may arise from the fact that Paul says there is only one baptism (Eph. 4:5), but elsewhere the NT seems to refer to two types of baptism: one by water and another by the HS (Matt. 3:11, John 1:26-33, Acts 1:5). Any confusion is resolved by understanding that the two types of baptism are harmonized if baptism with water is viewed as a symbolic way of portraying baptism by the HS. (Most Bibles have a footnote for Mark 16:9-20 saying that the passage is not a reliable or well-attested part of the NT canon, so it is problematic to cite v.16 as requiring water baptism for salvation along with drinking poison or handling asps as signs of being saved.)

Both outward confession and water baptism may be seen as works manifesting love for God that every new Believer will want to (but we cannot say “must”) perform as soon as possible following his/her decision to have saving faith (cf. Matt. 3:13-15, Acts 2:38). Paul referred to the comparable moment for Abraham as spiritual circumcision. Although Paul did not command baptism, he administered it (in Acts 16:33, 18:8, 19:5 & 1Cor. 1:114-16) even though he said Christ did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel (1Cor. 1:17). IOW, Paul’s focus was on preaching (spirit baptism) and he probably left the water baptizing to his assistants.

The outward evidence that someone was baptized by the HS and is Spirit-filled (Eph. 5:18) or walking with God is the manifestation of the fullness of Christ (Eph. 3:19, 4:13) or fruit of the Spirit, which consists of such attributes as those listed in Gal. 5:22-23: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Jesus said “All men will know that you are my disciples if you love one another” (John13:35, 1John 4:7-21), because “love” sums up the moral character of God (1John 4:7-8). (He did NOT say “…if you are water baptized”, even though it is an appropriate rite portraying a believer’s death and resurrection in Christ.)

Over...

 

[pinebeach]

YOU are the one spanking, so spank yourself!

We truthseekers WILL be discussing ALL of the things listed, so let us continue with the discussion of spiritual dynamics:

Similarly but perhaps with greater realization because of learning NT revelation, when a sinner learns the NT Gospel of Christ, repents and confesses Jesus as Lord (Acts 20:21, Rom. 10:9), the Holy Spirit (HS) enters the convert’s heart (Rom. 5:5), uniting them with God as heavenly Father (Rom. 8:9) and identifying them with Christ’s worldwide/catholic body or church (Col. 1:18), which moment is called spiritual rebirth (John 3:3-8) or “baptism by the Spirit” (1Cor. 12:13).

Confusion may arise from the fact that Paul says there is only one baptism (Eph. 4:5), but elsewhere the NT seems to refer to two types of baptism: one by water and another by the HS (Matt. 3:11, John 1:26-33, Acts 1:5). Any confusion is resolved by understanding that the two types of baptism are harmonized if baptism with water is viewed as a symbolic way of portraying baptism by the HS. (Most Bibles have a footnote for Mark 16:9-20 saying that the passage is not a reliable or well-attested part of the NT canon, so it is problematic to cite v.16 as requiring water baptism for salvation along with drinking poison or handling asps as signs of being saved.)

Both outward confession and water baptism may be seen as works manifesting love for God that every new Believer will want to (but we cannot say “must”) perform as soon as possible following his/her decision to have saving faith (cf. Matt. 3:13-15, Acts 2:38). Paul referred to the comparable moment for Abraham as spiritual circumcision. Although Paul did not command baptism, he administered it (in Acts 16:33, 18:8, 19:5 & 1Cor. 1:114-16) even though he said Christ did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel (1Cor. 1:17). IOW, Paul’s focus was on preaching (spirit baptism) and he probably left the water baptizing to his assistants.

The outward evidence that someone was baptized by the HS and is Spirit-filled (Eph. 5:18) or walking with God is the manifestation of the fullness of Christ (Eph. 3:19, 4:13) or fruit of the Spirit, which consists of such attributes as those listed in Gal. 5:22-23: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Jesus said “All men will know that you are my disciples if you love one another” (John13:35, 1John 4:7-21), because “love” sums up the moral character of God (1John 4:7-8). (He did NOT say “…if you are water baptized”, even though it is an appropriate rite portraying a believer’s death and resurrection in Christ.)

Over...

You say you seek the truth but you have demonstrated that you believe the Holy Spirit is no longer active in the world as He was when Paul wrote his letters and instructions to the Corinthian church. I would disagree that a person is a disciple if they dismiss Paul's words and state those words are not for today.

You may wish to discuss the Holy Spirit as words on a page but that is not the reality. Answer if you think you need to defend your lack of belief, but you don't answer to me about that.

 

[GWH]

You say you seek the truth but you have demonstrated that you believe the Holy Spirit is no longer active in the world as He was when Paul wrote his letters and instructions to the Corinthian church. I would disagree that a person is a disciple if they dismiss Paul's words and state those words are not for today.

You may wish to discuss the Holy Spirit as words on a page but that is not the reality. Answer if you think you need to defend your lack of belief, but you don't answer to me about that.

Look PB, this thread is for truthseekers. If you want to continue spanking and demeaning me,
please do so on Ouch's thread that was created for that purpose, but do not pollute this discussion. Thanks.

 

[pinebeach]

Look PB, this thread is for truthseekers. If you want to continue spanking and demeaning me,
please do so on Ouch's thread that was created for that purpose, but do not pollute this discussion. Thanks.

Isn't a truthseeker someone who would check into all things? We are told to be like the Bereans and make sure of what we believe. It is not in your perview to decide who is or not someone who seeks God/Truth. You cannot save anyone so maybe try to earn something for a change instead of telling everyone you are the one who knows the truth.
Great! So let's discuss the gifts of the Holy Sprit. If we are going to discuss Him, then lets not ignore Him!

 

[GWH]

Isn't a truthseeker someone who would check into all things? We are told to be like the Bereans and make sure of what we believe. It is not in your perview to decide who is or not someone who seeks God/Truth. You cannot save anyone so maybe try to earn something for a change instead of telling everyone you are the one who knows the truth.
Great! So let's discuss the gifts of the Holy Sprit. If we are going to discuss Him, then lets not ignore Him!

I guess you have not noticed that we are already studying the Holy Spirit,
and we would be glad if you decided to discuss rather than demean.
We are currently considering the information in post #46.

Your constructive comments?

 

[pinebeach]

The main purpose of this thread is to discuss Scriptures explaining how humanity can experience and fellowship with the Holy Spirit of God/Christ,
which correlates with learning God’s Holy Word. Achieving this goal requires systematic study of New Testament doctrines including spiritual dynamics, prayer and sanctification.

Probably the best way to experience and have fellowship with the Holy Spirit, is to acknowledge that God sent Him to us so that we might have fellowship with God because God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and Truth. We already have a great list from which to work and it is scripture based.

The following should be very helpful in helping us to seek truth from scripture.

1. He leads and directs. (Matthew 4:1; Mark 1:12; Luke 2:27; 4:1; Acts 8:29; Romans 8:14)
2. The Holy Spirit speaks – in, to and through. (Matthew 10:20; Acts 1:16; 2:4; 13:2; 28:25; Hebrews 3:7)
3. He gives power to cast out devils. (Matthew 12:28)
4. He releases power. (Luke 4:14)
5. The Holy Spirit anoints. (Luke 4:18; Acts 10:38)
6. The Holy Spirit “comes upon” or “falls on”. (Matthew 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 2:25; 3:22; 4:18; John 1:32,33; Acts 10:44; 11:15)
7. He baptizes and fills. (Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 1:15,41,67; 3:16, 4:1; John 1:33; Acts 1:4-5; 2:4; 4:8,31; 6:3,5; 7:55; 10:47; 11:24; 13:9,52; 1 Corinthians 12:12)

In the Old Testament, people were not all able to be filled as we are now and had to depend upon those God chose to annoint as His representative or 'prophet'. Today, we understand that the Holy Spirit can function in our lives much like the prophets of old. That is, He leads and directs, and speaks only that which comes from God the Father/Jesus so we need to understand that the Holy Spirit does not speak against the things of God in this century.

 

[GWH]

Probably the best way to experience and have fellowship with the Holy Spirit, is to acknowledge that God sent Him to us so that we might have fellowship with God because God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and Truth. We already have a great list from which to work and it is scripture based.

The following should be very helpful in helping us to seek truth from scripture.

1. He leads and directs. (Matthew 4:1; Mark 1:12; Luke 2:27; 4:1; Acts 8:29; Romans 8:14)
2. The Holy Spirit speaks – in, to and through. (Matthew 10:20; Acts 1:16; 2:4; 13:2; 28:25; Hebrews 3:7)
3. He gives power to cast out devils. (Matthew 12:28)
4. He releases power. (Luke 4:14)
5. The Holy Spirit anoints. (Luke 4:18; Acts 10:38)
6. The Holy Spirit “comes upon” or “falls on”. (Matthew 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 2:25; 3:22; 4:18; John 1:32,33; Acts 10:44; 11:15)
7. He baptizes and fills. (Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 1:15,41,67; 3:16, 4:1; John 1:33; Acts 1:4-5; 2:4; 4:8,31; 6:3,5; 7:55; 10:47; 11:24; 13:9,52; 1 Corinthians 12:12)

In the Old Testament, people were not all able to be filled as we are now and had to depend upon those God chose to annoint as His representative or 'prophet'. Today, we understand that the Holy Spirit can function in our lives much like the prophets of old. That is, He leads and directs, and speaks only that which comes from God the Father/Jesus so we need to understand that the Holy Spirit does not speak against the things of God in this century.

Great post, PB! I knew you had it in you. Now that you have joined us perhaps a review is in order.

We began study of God the HS by considering the relationship with God the Father and God the Son. It was noted that the OT Shema (Deut. 6:4) teaches that God is one, and the NT also affirms that there is one God (Eph. 4:6, 1Tim. 2:5), but it teaches that the one God relates to believers in three ways simultaneously: as the Father, as the Son and as the Holy Spirit (HS). God as the heavenly Father is indicated in Jesus’ model prayer (Matt. 6:9), throughout the Gospel of John (John 3:35, 5:17-18, etc.), and in the epistles of Paul (Rom. 4:11, 8:15, Phil. 2:11). NT Scriptures regarding the Trinity were cited, and then the Persons were distinguished by means of three roles or ways that God relates to humanity: God the Father as creator or initiator (Gen. 1:1), God the Son as Messiah or mediator (1Tim. 2:5), and God the Spirit as indweller (Rom. 5:5), which were denoted by the use of three prepositions: God the Father is over all creation (Eph. 4:6), God the Son is Immanuel or with humanity (Matt. 1:23), and the Holy Spirit is within all believers (Eph. 1:13).

Do you or anyone else have any comments before continuing this review?

 

[pinebeach]

Great post, PB! I knew you had it in you. Now that you have joined us perhaps a review is in order.

We began study of God the HS by considering the relationship with God the Father and God the Son. It was noted that the OT Shema (Deut. 6:4) teaches that God is one, and the NT also affirms that there is one God (Eph. 4:6, 1Tim. 2:5), but it teaches that the one God relates to believers in three ways simultaneously: as the Father, as the Son and as the Holy Spirit (HS). God as the heavenly Father is indicated in Jesus’ model prayer (Matt. 6:9), throughout the Gospel of John (John 3:35, 5:17-18, etc.), and in the epistles of Paul (Rom. 4:11, 8:15, Phil. 2:11). NT Scriptures regarding the Trinity were cited, and then the Persons were distinguished by means of three roles or ways that God relates to humanity: God the Father as creator or initiator (Gen. 1:1), God the Son as Messiah or mediator (1Tim. 2:5), and God the Spirit as indweller (Rom. 5:5), which were denoted by the use of three prepositions: God the Father is over all creation (Eph. 4:6), God the Son is Immanuel or with humanity (Matt. 1:23), and the Holy Spirit is within all believers (Eph. 1:13).

Do you or anyone else have any comments before continuing this review?

I think you need to consider the fact that you are not a teacher here and people are free to post as they will, hopefully in the context of the op which is what I did. Condescending comments directed at me and or others may be normative in your group but they are not required or desired here since you are not a teacher and this is not your teaching platform.

'We' have not begun the study. You have begun what you believe and that is that you are a cessationist and that is not compatible with scripture.

 

[GWH]

I think you need to consider the fact that you are not a teacher here and people are free to post as they will, hopefully in the context of the op which is what I did. Condescending comments directed at me and or others may be normative in your group but they are not required or desired here since you are not a teacher and this is not your teaching platform. 'We' have not begun the study. You have begun what you believe and that is that you are a cessationist and that is not compatible with scripture.

I claim to be a learner and sharer of what I have learned, and the OP/purpose of this thread is to discuss Scriptures explaining how humanity can experience and fellowship with the Holy Spirit of God/Christ, which correlates with learning God’s Holy Word regarding spiritual dynamics, prayer and sanctification.

You are correct in saying that "we" have not begun the study, because YOU have begun sniping and derailing the discussion,
so as the sponsor of this thread AGAIN (Titus 3:10-11) I request that you take that crap to Ouch's thread, which was created for that purpose, but do not pollute this one.

So much for great posting!

 

[GWH]

Great post, PB! I knew you had it in you. Now that you have joined us perhaps a review is in order.

We began study of God the HS by considering the relationship with God the Father and God the Son. It was noted that the OT Shema (Deut. 6:4) teaches that God is one, and the NT also affirms that there is one God (Eph. 4:6, 1Tim. 2:5), but it teaches that the one God relates to believers in three ways simultaneously: as the Father, as the Son and as the Holy Spirit (HS). God as the heavenly Father is indicated in Jesus’ model prayer (Matt. 6:9), throughout the Gospel of John (John 3:35, 5:17-18, etc.), and in the epistles of Paul (Rom. 4:11, 8:15, Phil. 2:11). NT Scriptures regarding the Trinity were cited, and then the Persons were distinguished by means of three roles or ways that God relates to humanity: God the Father as creator or initiator (Gen. 1:1), God the Son as Messiah or mediator (1Tim. 2:5), and God the Spirit as indweller (Rom. 5:5), which were denoted by the use of three prepositions: God the Father is over all creation (Eph. 4:6), God the Son is Immanuel or with humanity (Matt. 1:23), and the Holy Spirit is within all believers (Eph. 1:13).

Do you or anyone else have any comments before continuing this review?

Sorry about the interruption, folks, but here is a continuation of the review (from post #11) by way getting back on track:

A study of the HS might well begin with the statements of Jesus in the gospel of John.

In John 14:16-18 we read, “I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever—the Spirit of truth… [who] will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.” This indicates that the indwelling Spirit is how Jesus enters the hearts of believers as they open the door and invite him in (per Rev. 3:20).

Jesus mentioned the Spirit again in John 15:26, saying “When the Counselor comes, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.”

And yet again in John 16:13-14 Jesus said, “When he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.”

We see in these passages an identification of the Spirit with truth or the word of God, which we also find in the OT, such as Isa. 59:21b, “My Spirit, who is on you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will not depart from your mouth, or from the mouths of your children… forever, says the Lord.” And we find a close connection between the HS and GW also in Ezek. 36:26-27, “I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you… I will put my Spirit in you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.”

Are my fellow truthseekers ready to proceed?

 

[tablet123]

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

It is all about receiving the Holy Spirit for then we have a spiritual relationship with God.

The blood of Christ gets us there.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

The Holy Spirit teaches us the word of God, and shows us things to come.

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Obviously with all the different interpretations not every one is led of the Spirit.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

The Holy Spirit helps us to abstain from and be Christlike and to have peace, love, and joy, which the joy of the LORD is our strength.

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

The Spirit helps us with our infirmities by making intercession for us.

 

[TruthDefender]

The main purpose of this thread is to discuss Scriptures explaining how humanity can experience and fellowship with the Holy Spirit of God/Christ,
which correlates with learning God’s Holy Word. Achieving this goal requires systematic study of New Testament doctrines including spiritual dynamics, prayer and sanctification.

Doctrines? I only know about one in the NC. Confused— since Christ only brought one!

 

[pinebeach]

I claim to be a learner and sharer of what I have learned, and the OP/purpose of this thread is to discuss Scriptures explaining how humanity can experience and fellowship with the Holy Spirit of God/Christ, which correlates with learning God’s Holy Word regarding spiritual dynamics, prayer and sanctification.

You are correct in saying that "we" have not begun the study, because YOU have begun sniping and derailing the discussion,
so as the sponsor of this thread AGAIN (Titus 3:10-11) I request that you take that crap to Ouch's thread, which was created for that purpose, but do not pollute this one.

So much for great posting!

The outward evidence that someone was baptized by the HS and is Spirit-filled (Eph. 5:18) or walking with God is the manifestation of the fullness of Christ (Eph. 3:19, 4:13) or fruit of the Spirit, which consists of such attributes as those listed in Gal. 5:22-23: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Jesus said “All men will know that you are my disciples if you love one another” (John13:35, 1John 4:7-21), because “love” sums up the moral character of God (1John 4:7-8). (He did NOT say “…if you are water baptized”, even though it is an appropriate rite portraying a believer’s death and resurrection in Christ.)

You are going to run into nothing but interference from people who actually are familiar with the Holy Spirit and all He does.

 

[GWH]

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

It is all about receiving the Holy Spirit for then we have a spiritual relationship with God.
The blood of Christ gets us there.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

The Holy Spirit teaches us the word of God, and shows us things to come.

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Obviously with all the different interpretations not every one is led of the Spirit.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

The Holy Spirit helps us to abstain from and be Christlike and to have peace, love, and joy, which the joy of the LORD is our strength.

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

The Spirit helps us with our infirmities by making intercession for us.

Thanks for underlining the marriage of the HS & GW that should not be divorced as our discussion progresses.
There are different directions discussion can take, but whichever way it goes from here, we will try to be sure that all
relevant Biblical teaching is included, such as the Galatians 5 passage.

In discussing spiritual dynamics, it seems logical to begin with when the HS indwells believers, which is when a sinner learns the NT Gospel of Christ, repents and confesses Jesus as Lord (Acts 20:21, Rom. 10:9). At that moment the Holy Spirit (HS) enters the convert’s heart (Rom. 5:5), uniting them with God as heavenly Father (Rom. 8:9) and identifying them with Christ’s worldwide/catholic body or church (Col. 1:18), which moment is called spiritual rebirth (John 3:3-8) or “baptism by the Spirit” (1Cor. 12:13).

Confusion may arise from the fact that Paul says there is only one baptism (Eph. 4:5), but elsewhere the NT seems to refer to two types of baptism: one by water and another by the HS (Matt. 3:11, John 1:26-33, Acts 1:5). We have seen confusion regarding baptism displayed in CC threads, so we need to proceed from this point very carefully and with open minds. One view based mainly on Matt. 28:19 and Acts 2:38 is that water baptism (WB) is required for salvation, and the other view based on most of the NT (such as Matt. 3:11, Acts 1:5 and Romans 3:21-5:1) is that WB is a rite which symbolizes Spirit baptism (SB). Thus, the question and need is: What is the best way to harmonize these Scriptures instead of engaging in double-think?

IMO, any confusion is resolved by understanding that the two types of baptism are harmonized if baptism with water is viewed as a symbolic way of portraying baptism by the HS. (Most Bibles have a footnote for Mark 16:9-20 saying that the passage is not a reliable or well-attested part of the NT canon, so it is problematic to cite v.16 as requiring water baptism for salvation along with drinking poison or handling asps as signs of being saved.)

Both outward confession and water baptism may be seen as works manifesting love for God that every new Believer will want to (but we cannot say “must”) perform as soon as possible following his/her decision to have saving faith (cf. Matt. 3:13-15, Acts 2:38). Paul referred to the comparable moment for Abraham as spiritual circumcision. Although Paul did not command baptism, he administered it (in Acts 16:33, 18:8, 19:5 & 1Cor. 1:114-16) even though he said Christ did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel (1Cor. 1:17). IOW, Paul’s focus was on preaching (spirit baptism) and he probably left the water baptizing to his assistants.

What do y'all think (based on GW) about this issue?

 

[pinebeach]

Thanks for underlining the marriage of the HS & GW that should not be divorced as our discussion progresses.
There are different directions discussion can take, but whichever way it goes from here, we will try to be sure that all
relevant Biblical teaching is included, such as the Galatians 5 passage.

In discussing spiritual dynamics, it seems logical to begin with when the HS indwells believers, which is when a sinner learns the NT Gospel of Christ, repents and confesses Jesus as Lord (Acts 20:21, Rom. 10:9). At that moment the Holy Spirit (HS) enters the convert’s heart (Rom. 5:5), uniting them with God as heavenly Father (Rom. 8:9) and identifying them with Christ’s worldwide/catholic body or church (Col. 1:18), which moment is called spiritual rebirth (John 3:3-8) or “baptism by the Spirit” (1Cor. 12:13).

Confusion may arise from the fact that Paul says there is only one baptism (Eph. 4:5), but elsewhere the NT seems to refer to two types of baptism: one by water and another by the HS (Matt. 3:11, John 1:26-33, Acts 1:5). We have seen confusion regarding baptism displayed in CC threads, so we need to proceed from this point very carefully and with open minds. One view based mainly on Matt. 28:19 and Acts 2:38 is that water baptism (WB) is required for salvation, and the other view based on most of the NT (such as Matt. 3:11, Acts 1:5 and Romans 3:21-5:1) is that WB is a rite which symbolizes Spirit baptism (SB). Thus, the question and need is: What is the best way to harmonize these Scriptures instead of engaging in double-think?

IMO, any confusion is resolved by understanding that the two types of baptism are harmonized if baptism with water is viewed as a symbolic way of portraying baptism by the HS. (Most Bibles have a footnote for Mark 16:9-20 saying that the passage is not a reliable or well-attested part of the NT canon, so it is problematic to cite v.16 as requiring water baptism for salvation along with drinking poison or handling asps as signs of being saved.)

Both outward confession and water baptism may be seen as works manifesting love for God that every new Believer will want to (but we cannot say “must”) perform as soon as possible following his/her decision to have saving faith (cf. Matt. 3:13-15, Acts 2:38). Paul referred to the comparable moment for Abraham as spiritual circumcision. Although Paul did not command baptism, he administered it (in Acts 16:33, 18:8, 19:5 & 1Cor. 1:114-16) even though he said Christ did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel (1Cor. 1:17). IOW, Paul’s focus was on preaching (spirit baptism) and he probably left the water baptizing to his assistants.

What do y'all think (based on GW) about this issue?

It's based on your website and a person has to drink water while looking at it because it is so dry. You are just copying your website word for word while maybe shuffling the paragraphs around some.

Baptism is not a work and salvation is not our work. Were did you ever get such disjointed garble from?

IOW, Paul’s focus was on preaching (spirit baptism) and he probably left the water baptizing to his assistants.

Paul would denounce you if he were here. You do not believe the Holy Spirit is active in the world today other than to direct you in your 'seeking' as you have previously stated. You are a cessationist so how you are going to represent a Person that you do not actually believe in, is typical of cessationists.