Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Only those given to Jesus by God will come to Him, though you deny that.
A statement declaring that the Jewish wedding protocol is in play as a necessary element that must needs be fulfilled to complete His action plan. Obviously.

A consideration far too abstruse and Jewish for you to comprehend it would seem.
 
The argument has been won completely, but the people who abide in a false soteriology are still in it.
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A statement declaring that the Jewish wedding protocol is in play as a necessary element that must needs be fulfilled to complete His action plan. Obviously.

A consideration far too abstruse and Jewish for you to comprehend it would seem.

You're back to "each saved person is individually a bride of Christ" rather than His singular church being His bride? Thought you saw the errors of your ways and moved on from that.
 
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No, He chose them for a reason! Are you suggesting that God does things for no reason?
HeIs has said that quite a few times... and/or, "no good reason"... it is blasphemy.

But then she'll say she is defending God's character.

So much nonsense, so little time...
 
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Believing is the individual response.
And by the way the verse does not state only.

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek."
Romans 1:16

Nor does the verse say "to everyone who believes and doesn't believe. "Who believes" qualifies the extent of the power.
 
I presented all of the Verses in that conversation and ultimately Jesus said whoever believes and whoever comes but you don't want what Jesus said.

No, you didn't. You left out the cause part and only included the effect part
 
Nor does the verse say "to everyone who believes and doesn't believe. "Who believes" qualifies the extent of the power.
Those who believe have been called, and those whom He called He foreknew.

Christ is the power and wisdom of God to those whom God foreknew and called.

Those He foreknew, called, and justified, making His light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the
knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ... knowledge which the world can neither receive
nor comprehend, and FWers largely and quite massively fail to understand with their self-exalting doctrine
which denies a plethora of Scriptures, causing them to reject, contradict and rewrite what they don't like in the Bible.



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1 Corinthians 1 v 20-25 Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand signs and Greeks search for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength.
 
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The argument is done, scripture is clear regeneration does not precede faith and been clearly repudiated multiple times.


But the fact remains that people still are "lost in" (meaning accepting/promoting what is not true) a doctrine based on eisegesis and proof texting.
Yet here you are still trying to win. Apparently you're lost in your inability to actually win.
 
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You're back to "each saved person is individually a bride of Christ" rather than His singular church being His bride? Thought you saw the errors of your ways and moved on from that.
That sounded pretty desperate. But no, that is your erroneous assessment.
 
I don't know what you mean by "never experienced the power of God when the gospel was shared" ...

I believe those who remain in unbelief do so because they suppressed the truth in unrighteousness when the gospel was shared as shown in Rom 1:17-18 ...

possibly a distinction without a difference ??? ... depends on what you mean by "never experienced the power of God when the gospel was shared".
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Are you a total stranger to God's effectual power in your life? You have never existentially experienced his awesome grace within your heart, mind and soul?
 
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those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness do not "experience" the power of God unto salvation ... however, there is a consequence to suppressing the truth in unrighteousness as God reveals in Rom 1.

How about you? ... when the gospel was presented to you and you did not believe, you remained in unbelief ... it was not until the gospel was presented and you believed that the power of God unto salvation was realized ... and it is an ongoing realization throughout the whole of the life of the believer ... the believer lives from faith to faith ... the whole life is to be lived in faith as God breaks down our strongholds

2 Corinthians 10:3-5 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; ) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ

believers in the Lord Jesus Christ ... the church of the one body over which He is the Head ... we are all on this journey in being conformed to the image of Christ ... something that will be fully realized when we see Him face to face.
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And when/if you "see Him face to face" be sure to quiz Him on what ever happened to your former most prized, most cherished, most beloved "freewill" now that you've stepped into eternity wherein all sinful choices will be forever banned so that all the saints will finally be perfectly "conformed to the image of Christ".
 
No I did not. I used the ESV which this site uses.

Better get the real ESV, for mine doesn't read the way you say!

Rom 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

ESV
 
Must learn to be knowing what grace performs and empowers men to do, allows one to see how all men have been at some point been given the grace of God that brings salvation. Not all will accept what grace frees them to consider.


For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men.

Titus 2:11​


That should make some of us to stop, and reconsider what we have been led to believe.

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The "grace of God" consistently appeared to the ancient Israelites starting in Egypt and even through both kingdoms' exiles. How did that work out for the apostate Jews? (Rhetorical question!)

Ps 106:43
43 Many times he delivered them,
but they were bent on rebellion
and they wasted away in their sin.

NIV

Hos 13:6
6 When I fed them, they were satisfied;
when they were satisfied, they became proud;
then they forgot me.

NIV

But they never experienced that precious grace within their hearts and souls!