Grace cannot exist without election - both require each other. If you believe in the doctrine of God's grace for salvation - which scripture clearly states -then whether you realize it or not, you also believe that He elected those upon whom He sheds His grace because it couldn't happen any other way.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Grace cannot exist without election - both require each other. If you believe in the doctrine of God's grace for salvation - which scripture clearly states -then whether you realize it or not, you also believe that He elected those upon whom He sheds His grace because it couldn't happen any other way.
Everyone who is saved has the Spirit, whether an OT saint or NT.
And your claim is simply conjecture. Moses was a murderer and Noah a drunk. Noah may have held a candle but he couldn't hold his liquor.
Why did they not wash themselves? Why did they not sanctify themselves? Why did the not justify themselves?
They certainly had the freewill to do so!
Why did they not wash themselves? Why did they not sanctify themselves? Why did the not justify themselves?
They certainly had the freewill to do so!
When you say to the surgeon....
"Go ahead! You have my consent!"
You are not the one performing the actual surgery.
Can't you guys think?
You're trapped.
How's your day been today,
You left me wondering something the other day, I wondered if you like coming here for discussion ?
well I wouldn't want to poke the bear sir, if you know what I mean.
But may I ask what bear your refering to consolation of stars in the bible, but there is also the bear known for its destructive powers in the bible.
I know well in Jewish folk law the bear is not seen as a good thing ?
Or have I got that wrong !
well if I didn't you better I would say your common occurrence seems to be chuck stones and ask question later ?
How do you feal about such practice ?
And just like David, we have all had those same desires at one time or another.
1 Corinthians 11:7 ....
A man should not wear anything on his head when worshiping,
for man is made in God’s image and reflects God’s glory.
So thankful every day, sometimes I read the testimonies of others who have left, after spending time on this thread to remind myself.
We need to remember that this very fallen nature they harp on is created by their god, something they do not really speak about very often.
They make it sound like this "nature" is mankind's fault as well, but really in their system god decreed it.
So humankind can't/won't believe, because god gave them a nature which inhibits believing and on top of that
omnipresent Satan also has them captive night and day, blinding, enslaving them and god selectively activates those
whom he chooses, there are people who know this system and their only hope, is that they too will be activated at some point before death.
Talk about destroying the Good News!!
Well let's just say, all the condemnation this system has garnered over the years, is fully warranted and appropriate.
Great. I'm sure @Jordan will take it off before worshipping. Also, while you're gathering honey, don't forget to gathering a sense of humor.
More lies from you. Man is held responsible according to God.So thankful every day, sometimes I read the testimonies of others who have left, after spending time on this thread to remind myself.
We need to remember that this very fallen nature they harp on is created by their god, something they do not really speak about very often.
They make it sound like this "nature" is mankind's fault as well, but really in their system god decreed it.
So humankind can't/won't believe, because god gave them a nature which inhibits believing and on top of that
omnipresent Satan also has them captive night and day, blinding, enslaving them and god selectively activates those
whom he chooses, there are people who know this system and their only hope, is that they too will be activated at some point before death.
Talk about destroying the Good News!!
Well let's just say, all the condemnation this system has garnered over the years, is fully warranted and appropriate.
Yes, we live in a world that God allowed to be the way it is because of the choices made by men, who, much
to your dismay, are called evil and wicked, among other things which you do not like because in your own
eyes, you are such a good person even as you misrepresent not only yourself, but the views of others, and twist
Scripture shamelessly, denying what it says when you are not busy contradicting what it says to claim the
opposite, while pretending you are promoter of truth defending God's character which you blaspheme. The
sheer number of erroneous things you promote should cause any to wonder if you have even read the Bible.
You can scream against God's sovereignty and the wickedness of man all you like.
It does not change what the Bible says no matter how many times you contradict and
outright deny what is said and condemn those who promote the truth of what is written.
Well actually that's been the entire premise of my posts so I have been discussing it. It's also good to understand you have not been and most likely why we're opposing one another in this view.