Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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You need to back to third grade and take remedial reading classes.
Maybe you think that you are single-A.
But your content places you squarely in the rookies.
And given your lack of progress, there you shall linger......interminably.
 
Maybe you think that you are single-A.
But your content places you squarely in the rookies.
And given your lack of progress, there you shall linger......interminably.

Just read those verses if you can. It will be difficult even for you to mis-understand them.
 
it you flip it around, on this thread we have people telling us they have been elected and defending their election using scripture,

and

they cannot offer a means by which any of us can be elected as well.

They promote and defend an exclusionary "plan" to people (us) who may or may not be already excluded by their god.

That is quite disturbing really, of course determinism (personal, individual, unique selection) hardens people so we should not be surprised
Theres only one real reason for election and that is for people to be adopted as Gods children.

As for all the arguments concerning election ultimately Gods sovereign will decides.

And whilst some may not get elected and some will. Which side should we be more happy for,

And regardless whether you feel people are not included that would solely depend and mostly depend on them not fully understanding Gods sovereign will.
 
Being righteous before God simply meant they were devout keepers of the law. They were blameless according to the law. But this didn't mean they were justified, as by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified...Galatians 2:16. They still needed to be born again, and they still needed the imputed righteousness of Christ.
Nobody kept the law perfectly, and even those called righteous before God sinned; their righteousness is not a claim of perfect obedience. Being called righteous before God in the Old Testament context, or having the Holy Spirit in the New Testament, indicates a relationship with God based on faith and His grace, not perfect law-keeping. The Bible in many places across the old and new testaments states that all people, without exception, are sinners, and have fallen short of God's glory. And as you have stated, no human being can be justified before God by perfectly keeping the law. Because no one can achieve the required righteousness on their own, the law points to the need for a Savior, who is Jesus Christ. This is part of the reason why I wonder about those who love to mock what the Bible says of man. Not to mention the fact that they reject, contradict, and deny what Scripture says. But this seems to be a shared failing of FWers on many many many counts.
 
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The Bible doesn't and neither does God [[((EVER SAID))]] we must love the same way that God can.

He said to love them as He loved them. Because He loves them so are we but there's nothing about doing to the same amount that God is capable of doing.
Redefining words sure makes it easier for you.
 
Do you believe God is deceitful?
Not at all and I know there were exceptional human beings like Enoch, Noah, Moses that not a single one of us could hold a candle to who weren't Holy Ghost filled like we are today.
 
Theres only one real reason for election and that is for people to be adopted as Gods children.
She does not believe that. She believes election is for service only. Not salvation at all.

Then she makes up all kinds of other stuff around it to condemn those who affirm what Scripture says.

Some of which (again) directly contradicts Scripture.

It is a habit of hers.
 
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Nobody kept the law perfectly, and even those called righteous before God sinned; their righteousness is not a claim of perfect obedience. Being called righteous before God in the Old Testament context, or having the Holy Spirit in the New Testament, indicates a relationship with God based on faith and His grace, not perfect law-keeping. The Bible in many places across the old and new testaments states that all people, without exception, are sinners, and have fallen short of God's glory. And as you have stated, no human being can be justified before God by perfectly keeping the law. Because no one can achieve the required righteousness on their own, the law points to the need for a Savior, who is Jesus Christ. This is part of the reason why I wonder about those who love to mock what the Bible says of man. Not to mention the fact that they reject, contradict, and deny what Scripture says. But this seems to be a shared failing of FWers on many many many counts.
Like the Apostle Paul who said he was blameless before the law before he was saved.
 
She does not believe that. She believes election is for service only. Not salvation at all.

Then she makes up all kinds of other stuff around it to condemn those who affirm what Scripture says.

Some of which (again) directly contradicts Scripture.

It is a habit of hers.
She's probably been subject to the covenant of the jaw to much here 🤣
 
it you flip it around, on this thread we have people telling us they have been elected and defending their election using scripture,

and

they cannot offer a means by which any of us can be elected as well.

They promote and defend an exclusionary "plan" to people (us) who may or may not be already excluded by their god.

That is quite disturbing really, of course determinism (personal, individual, unique selection) hardens people so we should not be surprised
It is impossible for us to know why certain people are chosen/elected/set aside. Only God knows why.
However, what is clear, is that we should all be thankful that it is true, simply because God tells us sin will be punished.
There is simply no way that man can redeem himself. He needs a Savior [Christ], to pay the blood sacrifice for his sin.
Without God Himself paying the price for [some, not all], there would be none saved! This is not unfair, you should see it as an undeserved blessing, since none deserve it!

Sorry if this disturbs you, but it is what Scripture teaches. . . . . . .
 
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are you sure your not offended

I was thinking does the spiritual man need to understand the natural man

Take a bath, and maybe some discerning ones would not find you offensive.


And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified,
you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit
of our God."
1 Corinthians 6:11


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It is impossible for us to know why certain people are chosen/elected/set aside. Only God knows why.
However, what is clear, is that we should all be thankful that it is true, simply because God tells us sin will be punished.
There is simply no way that man can redeem himself. He needs a Savior [Christ], to pay the blood sacrifice for his sin.
Without God Himself paying the price for [some, not all], there would be none saved! This is not unfair, you should see it as an undeserved blessing, since none deserve it!

Sorry if this disturbs you, but it is what Scripture teaches. . . . . . .

I am not disturbed because obviously it is not what scripture teaches, I am only disturbed that people believe it, promote and then other people fall for it.