Gospel Confusion...

[Musicmaster]

For those who think they can combine any and all truths in scripture as if they all apply to us today, you need to glean something important that Paul stated about this false practice of ripping truths from their proper contexts and pasting them wherever one so desires.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

That the truths in scripture MUST be RIGHTLY DIVIDED, that speaks loud volumes to the fact that not all truths apply to us today. When Jesus commanded that Israel repent and be water baptized, that was indeed true for them. He did not instruct Paul to preach that same gospel to Gentiles and the body of Christ.

MM

 

[Ouch]

your stuck on your perverted view of acts 2.

again, I showed you many many passages.. all you have to do is show me where works or baptism is required..

failure to do so will hurt you not help you

Of course we can all thing what we like.

I am not teaching a works based gospel, I am sharing HIS word since JESUS is the word he is the one teaching what you call a works based salvation.

If the Jews didn't circumcise themselves and their children they were none of his, so it was a commandment.

Genesis 17,
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

Because Moses DIDN'T circumcise his son, GOD sent an angel to kill him.
Exodus 4:24-26
24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him.
25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.

So do you still think circumcision is a work?

Are you sill go to tell everyone it was a work? Since you know the truth now you will be lying.

Yep, the person who did the baptizing was doing the work, as after we are reborn we are suppose to work for HIM or what good are we and end up lost.

Back this up with scripture.
"Actually it is the HS when he immerses you into christs death, where your sins are washed away in the washign and renewal of the HS *titus 3)"

Show me were the Holy Ghost puts you into Christ and that is were are sins are washed away.

I agree, we can not be reborn with works, but now you have to rethink the circumcision since it's not a work.

ACTS 2 IS PERVERTED??? YOU HAVE SOME EXPLAINING TO DO.

Didn't HIS disciple wait like JESUS told them to do?

Where they not filled with HIS SPIRIT, as we have to be if we want to be reborn?

The message that Luke proficed was preached in Acts 2:38.

TELL ME WHY IT IS PERVERTED.

You did not show me any verse that said water baptism was not required, you just showed me verse you like.

You can't just take the verse you like, ALL OF HIS word needs to fit like a puzzle you left the whole book of Acts out of those you shared.

What does a person have to do to be reborn?

Do you agree we are still born in sin?

Do you agree sin will not enter heaven?

 

[Ouch]

Your ignorance of other NT teachings on this subject hinders our agreement.

You lie about HIS word and I'm ignorant, you lying about HIS word hinders our agreement.

We could have a discussion if we could stick with HIS word with out you lying about it and just want to debate what you think it says.

 

[GWH]

You lie about HIS word and I'm ignorant, you lying about HIS word hinders our agreement.

We could have a discussion if we could stick with HIS word with out you lying about it and just want to debate what you think it says.

[Sigh!] I share GW to discuss, but all you do is demean.
However, I will share #4 & 5 of the kerygma that I just amended on our website due to discussion with folks on CC:

1. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s grace or justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), at which moment God’s loving Holy Spirit of Christ indwells/baptizes the believer into the church (Rev. 3:20, Rom. 5:5, 1Cor. 12:13).
2. Loving Christ Jesus as Lord (Luke 2:11), God the Son (Matt. 16:16) or God in the human dimension (Col. 2:9) means reflecting divine love as empowered by the Holy Spirit, thereby obeying His command to love one another (Matt. 7:21, 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2), which will eventually achieve spiritual maturity on earth and heaven after Christ returns at God’s resurrection (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Phil. 3:12-16, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Of course we can all thing what we like.

I am not teaching a works based gospel,

If your teaching we must do the work of water baptism to be saved, your teaching a works based gospel..Your no different than a jew saying faith in Christ is great. but you must be circumcised.

I am sharing HIS word since JESUS is the word he is the one teaching what you call a works based salvation.

No he is not.

If the Jews didn't circumcise themselves and their children they were none of his, so it was a commandment.

Genesis 17,
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

Because Moses DIDN'T circumcise his son, GOD sent an angel to kill him.
Exodus 4:24-26
24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him.
25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.

So do you still think circumcision is a work?

Are you sill go to tell everyone it was a work? Since you know the truth now you will be lying.

Yep, the person who did the baptizing was doing the work, as after we are reborn we are suppose to work for HIM or what good are we and end up lost.

Back this up with scripture.
"Actually it is the HS when he immerses you into christs death, where your sins are washed away in the washign and renewal of the HS *titus 3)"

Show me were the Holy Ghost puts you into Christ and that is were are sins are washed away.

I agree, we can not be reborn with works, but now you have to rethink the circumcision since it's not a work.

ACTS 2 IS PERVERTED??? YOU HAVE SOME EXPLAINING TO DO.

Didn't HIS disciple wait like JESUS told them to do?

Where they not filled with HIS SPIRIT, as we have to be if we want to be reborn?

The message that Luke proficed was preached in Acts 2:38.

TELL ME WHY IT IS PERVERTED.

You did not show me any verse that said water baptism was not required, you just showed me verse you like.

You can't just take the verse you like, ALL OF HIS word needs to fit like a puzzle you left the whole book of Acts out of those you shared.

What does a person have to do to be reborn?

Do you agree we are still born in sin?

Do you agree sin will not enter heaven?

Yes it was a command, and paul said whoever said we must be circumcised preaches a false gospel of works of the flesh.

He did not teach against circumcision, That was a command given to jews. he taught against legalism.

Acts 2: 38 is perverted because you fail to translate it right.. and you cause the word of God to contradict itself.

 

[Ouch]

There's nothing funny at all about it. You, by your own strength cannot get rid of your own sins. If you could, then Christ died in vain. So please clarify how you think you can get rid of your sins. We are redeemed and cleansed, but we don't get rid of our sins in the sense of the common understanding of that phrase ology.

MM

I agree with you, this is a life and death matter one that we all have to chose.

You are right I can not get rid of my own sins.

If you want to know how to get rid of our sins, lets look at HIS word since HES the one who died for us.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

I did not share my opinion but HIS WORD.

Of course we still need to get the Holy Ghost, he will give that to anyone who askes of course in JESUS timing.

Fyi, the thief didn't need to be baptized because he died OT laws, and when JESUS was next to him JESUS forgave his sins.

 

[Ouch]

[Sigh!] I share GW to discuss, but all you do is demean.
However, I will share #4 & 5 of the kerygma that I just amended on our website due to discussion with folks on CC:

1. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s grace or justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), at which moment God’s loving Holy Spirit of Christ indwells/baptizes the believer into the church (Rev. 3:20, Rom. 5:5, 1Cor. 12:13).
2. Loving Christ Jesus as Lord (Luke 2:11), God the Son (Matt. 16:16) or God in the human dimension (Col. 2:9) means reflecting divine love as empowered by the Holy Spirit, thereby obeying His command to love one another (Matt. 7:21, 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2), which will eventually achieve spiritual maturity on earth and heaven after Christ returns at God’s resurrection (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Phil. 3:12-16, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).

LOL, you are too funny.

You may share HIS word, but you taint it so now it's your word.

Yep I demean your word, the truth is not in you.

Your sharing stuff from your website, thank you so much.

You web sight is your opinion right?

Why does anyone need your opinion or your website if we have GOD'S word?

 

[Aussie52]

LOL, you are too funny.

You may share HIS word, but you taint it so now it's your word.

Yep I demean your word, the truth is not in you.

Your sharing stuff from your website, thank you so much.

You web sight is your opinion right?

Why does anyone need your opinion or your website if we have GOD'S word?

Play nicely, we are supposed to be Christians.

 

[Ouch]

If your teaching we must do the work of water baptism to be saved, your teaching a works based gospel..Your no different than a jew saying faith in Christ is great. but you must be circumcised.

No he is not.

Yes it was a command, and paul said whoever said we must be circumcised preaches a false gospel of works of the flesh.

He did not teach against circumcision, That was a command given to jews. he taught against legalism.

Acts 2: 38 is perverted because you fail to translate it right.. and you cause the word of God to contradict itself.

Ok so you think being baptized is a work.

And since I'm sharing Acts 2:38 which is HIS word you think I am the one who says it?

HIS word says we have to be baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins.

YOU SAY IT'S A WORK!!!

So don't get get baptized that's between you and HIM.

To be clear, OT to have a covenant with GOD they had to be circumcised, NT we do not have to be.

So your not saying Acts 2 is perverted, your saying I perverted it and the way I pervert it makes his word contradictable.

How did I pervert it by sharing it?

You tell me what Acts 2:38 says.

 

[Ouch]

Play nicely, we are supposed to be Christians.

AMEN, I'm sorry if I seem harsh.

Just pointing out to this person that his opinion does not trump GOD'S word.

Do you recall how JESUS dealt with the Pharisees of HIS time?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Ok so you think being baptized is a work.

Again, if you are doing it to get saved, yes. you are tryign to earn a reward..

If your doing it because you are saved, out of appreciation for Gods gift and wanting to obey his command, it is a work also. but it is a work of righteousness which will bear fruit

And since I'm sharing Acts 2:38 which is HIS word you think I am the one who says it?

HIS word says we have to be baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins.

YOU SAY IT'S A WORK!!!

So don't get get baptized that's between you and HIM.

To be clear, OT to have a covenant with GOD they had to be circumcised, NT we do not have to be.

So your not saying Acts 2 is perverted, your saying I perverted it and the way I pervert it makes his word contradictable.

How did I pervert it by sharing it?

You tell me what Acts 2:38 says.

Your like far to many people. the bible is a large book. your focused on one small little snippet and tryign to make a doctrine out of it. and you have nto even translated it right.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

AMEN, I'm sorry if I seem harsh.

Just pointing out to this person that his opinion does not trump GOD'S word.

Do you recall how JESUS dealt with the Pharisees of HIS time?

same can be said of you.

I think that is the point he was trying to make.

don't be a hypocrite if you want to share what you believe feel free..discuss that and why you see things the way you do

 

[GWH]

LOL, you are too funny.

You may share HIS word, but you taint it so now it's your word.

Yep I demean your word, the truth is not in you.

Your sharing stuff from your website, thank you so much.

You web sight is your opinion right?

Why does anyone need your opinion or your website if we have GOD'S word?

The website contains my positive understanding of GW, just as your posts express your negative opinions.
This truth is not rocket science for most.

My website should be helpful for those desiring to learn about its topics, which include:

Apologetics - explaining to atheists why faith in the NT God/Christ is the best belief
The Kerygma - sharing the Christian creed and how it differs from secondary teachings
The TOJ - listing the teachings of Jesus
The TOP - enumerating the teachings of Paul
Key OT Teachings - sharing teachings that are closely related to NT teachings
KISSed HOB - summarizing the history of beliefs
Applying GW to Politics - sharing how Christian faith might be salt and light in this world
Hermeneutics - sharing how applying Pauline methodology harmonizes Scripture and promotes unity
Systematic Bible Study - exploring GW thoroughly rather than settling for proof-texting
The Didache: Doctrines That Build on the Creed – cf. The Kerygma

 

[Musicmaster]

I agree with you, this is a life and death matter one that we all have to chose.

You are right I can not get rid of my own sins.

If you want to know how to get rid of our sins, lets look at HIS word since HES the one who died for us.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

I did not share my opinion but HIS WORD.

Of course we still need to get the Holy Ghost, he will give that to anyone who askes of course in JESUS timing.

Fyi, the thief didn't need to be baptized because he died OT laws, and when JESUS was next to him JESUS forgave his sins.

Sharing God's word is great. The problem is in your misapplication of His truths by your failing to rightly divide the word of truth, as Paul instructed us to do through his inspired writing to us.

MM

 

[Ouch]

Again, if you are doing it to get saved, yes. you are tryign to earn a reward..

If your doing it because you are saved, out of appreciation for Gods gift and wanting to obey his command, it is a work also. but it is a work of righteousness which will bear fruit


Your like far to many people. the bible is a large book. your focused on one small little snippet and tryign to make a doctrine out of it. and you have nto even translated it right.

I know you think beigng being baptized in a work, fine with me like I said that is between you and him.

No need for you to try to convince me your right.

You said I pervert HIS word that is a problem if I did I'm in danger of Hell fire.

How did I pervert HIS word.

Now your saying I focuse on one small little snippet and try to make a doctrin out of it.

Why do you say that, just because I shard HIS word.

I'M NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING BUT SHARE HIS WORD!!

YOU TELL ME WHAT THESE TWO VERSES SAY AND MEAN.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

EXPLAIN THEM TO ME.

No need to move on to the Holy Ghost in Acts 2:38 YET, just the first part unless you would like to.

 

[Ouch]

same can be said of you.

I think that is the point he was trying to make.

don't be a hypocrite if you want to share what you believe feel free..discuss that and why you see things the way you do

Why would you say I'm a hypocrite?

Why would you say I am sharing what I believe?

I don't share what I believe, I only share HIS word.

I let HIS word do the talking I'm not the one who died for you.

 

[Ouch]

The website contains my positive understanding of GW, just as your posts express your negative opinions.
This truth is not rocket science for most.

My website should be helpful for those desiring to learn about its topics, which include:

Apologetics - explaining to atheists why faith in the NT God/Christ is the best belief
The Kerygma - sharing the Christian creed and how it differs from secondary teachings
The TOJ - listing the teachings of Jesus
The TOP - enumerating the teachings of Paul
Key OT Teachings - sharing teachings that are closely related to NT teachings
KISSed HOB - summarizing the history of beliefs
Applying GW to Politics - sharing how Christian faith might be salt and light in this world
Hermeneutics - sharing how applying Pauline methodology harmonizes Scripture and promotes unity
Systematic Bible Study - exploring GW thoroughly rather than settling for proof-texting
The Didache: Doctrines That Build on the Creed – cf. The Kerygma

Thank you for sharing.

As I said your websight is YOURS.

Why does someone need it if we have HIS WORD.

I will add if you twist HIS word on CC do you also twist it on YOUR website?

 

[Ouch]

Sharing God's word is great. The problem is in your misapplication of His truths by your failing to rightly divide the word of truth, as Paul instructed us to do through his inspired writing to us.

MM

Does that mean you disagee with Acts 2:38, 22:16?

How could I miss apply it if all I did was share two verses which tell us how to get rid of our sins.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I know you think beigng being baptized in a work,

This just proves you did not read a word I said.. and are now taking me out of context.

Are you a troll I should stop feeding?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Why would you say I'm a hypocrite?

Because you are accusing others of doing what you very well could be doing yourself.

Why would you say I am sharing what I believe?

I don't share what I believe, I only share HIS word.

I let HIS word do the talking I'm not the one who died for you.

No you share your believe. You share one passage and call it his word. while ignoring so many other passages.

Again, Show me baptize in these passages

John 1: 11: 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Titus 1: 2 in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

this is what our faith is in, the grace and mercy of God. not our deeds.

again, will you answer. or are you a troll I should stop feeding