Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Cameron143 said:
Faith is never formed in spiritually dead people. Life is necessary for faith. Faith is the
instrumentality of grace to produce salvation. Why do you change what scripture says?
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She has to in order to prop up her unsound theology.
 
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John 14 v 17a, Romans 8 v 6-9 ~ “Inability” in Bible. The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth. The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Praise be to God for calling me out of the world.
 
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cv5 said:
Since humble men end up as winners how then are you accusing me of not being humble?
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I thought I had made that very clear earlier: Your boastful pride. You say with your lips that you are humble but your actions say differently.
 
cv5 said:
As is ALWAYS the case.....this is reactionary judgement due for WILLFUL unbelief.
Forty years worth of opportunity GIVEN in good faith, opportunity REJECTED in bad faith. Then comes the judgement.

Deu 29:2
And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that the LORD did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and unto all his servants, and unto all his land;

Deu 29:3
The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles:

Deu 30:1
And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,

Deu 30:2
And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

Deu 30:3
That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

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And here is the NT parallel. Opportunity GIVEN in good faith, opportunity REJECTED in bad faith.
Jesus is unfailingly consistent and perfectly just in this, and never prejudiced.

All of this a total repudiation of all things determinist BTW.

Luk 10:13
Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.

[Luk 10:14 KJV]
But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you.

[Luk 10:15 KJV]
And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell.

[Luk 10:16 KJV]
He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
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Yeah...Israel saw alright -- but what they saw never resonated in their heart. Get acquainted someday with Israel's history. It ain't pretty for the most part.
 
Cameron143 said:
Faith is never formed in spiritually dead people.
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Tell that to Cornelius.

Oh right, Cornelius was regenerated before he ever heard the Gospel lol. :rolleyes:
Or I am sure there is some other way to attempt and fail to explain it away.
 
[QUOTE="cv5, post: 5570418, member: 277646"]Standard judgement protocol. Perfectly consistent in Scripture.

So can you demonstrate to us @Rufus where God schemed/forced/coerced/bullied anyone here to UNBELIEVE against their will?
That is the old Calvinist trope right? God pre-determining those who will not believe and damning them before they were ever born or ever give any OPPORTUNITY for salvation?

Heb 3:17
But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

Heb 3:18
And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

Heb 3:19
So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Heb 4:6
Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: [/QUOTE]

Standard under the Old Covenant perhaps...but not the NEW!
 
HeIsHere said:
Tell that to Cornelius.

Oh right, Cornelius was regenerated before he ever heard the Gospel lol. :rolleyes:
Or I am sure there is some other way to attempt and fail to explain it away.
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Cornelius was a God-fearing man, as was his entire household. What's the Fear of the Lord in your tiny universe: chopped liver? Don't you know that Fear of the Lord is a fountain of life to those who have it?
 
Rufus said:
Cornelius was a God-fearing man, as was his entire household. What's the Fear of the Lord in your tiny universe: chopped liver? Don't you know that Fear of the Lord is a fountain of life to those who have it?
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Dead men cannot fear God they are dead remember.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Tell that to Cornelius.

Oh right, Cornelius was regenerated before he ever heard the Gospel lol. :rolleyes:
Or I am sure there is some other way to attempt and fail to explain it away.
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Are you still under the allusion that the sealing of the Spirit is the same as the indwelling of the Spirit?
Do you believe the disciples were saved on the day of Pentecost?
 
reneweddaybyday said:
yes you do. you claim the only response of natural man to God's Word is rejection ... and you have been shown that is not the only response. You reject what is plainly written in Scripture.

Romans 1:16-19 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

only two responses:

believe and receive the blessing [by God's efficacious grace]

reject and receive the consequence [absent the above grace]

It is biblically true that mankind has knowledge of good ... mankind has knowledge of the opposite of evil.
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FTFY!
 
Cameron143 said:
Read Romans 8:7-9. Unless you don't believe the natural man is carnal, he is hostile to God whether sitting in church, behind a pulpit, giving philanthropically, or openly hostile. The location doesn't change the truth about an individual.
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you keep claiming that natural man is "hostile to God".

When I said "if all are hostile to God there would be no unbelievers sitting in church pews"

my point was that the unbeliever wouldn't be in church in the first place if they are "hostile to God" as you claim. unbelievers don't go to church to get out of the rain or to sit in air conditioning on a hot day.

if unbelievers are "hostile to God", then churches would be filled with believers only and we know that is not the case.

If and when the pastor of a church teaches the gospel, the unbeliever sitting in the pew either believes the gospel and receives the blessing ... or the unbeliever suppresses the truth in unrighteousness and receives the consequence.
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Rufus said:
Yeah...Israel saw alright -- but what they saw never resonated in their heart. Get acquainted someday with Israel's history. It ain't pretty for the most part.
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You were proven an ignoramus promulgating doctrinal error.
Decisively.
 
reneweddaybyday said:
you keep claiming that natural man is "hostile to God".

When I said "if all are hostile to God there would be no unbelievers sitting in church pews"

my point was that the unbeliever wouldn't be in church in the first place if they are "hostile to God" as you claim. unbelievers don't go to church to get out of the rain or to sit in air conditioning on a hot day.

if unbelievers are "hostile to God", then churches would be filled with believers only and we know that is not the case.

If and when the pastor of a church teaches the gospel, the unbeliever sitting in the pew either believes the gospel and receives the blessing ... or the unbeliever suppresses the truth in unrighteousness and receives the consequence.
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Nonsense! The world is filled with religious people, most of whom reject the message of life. Why would it be any different with false disciples who warm church pews every Sunday (or Saturday)? Can you spell SELF-DECEPTION!?
 
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