Satan always wants control too, so you are in bad company.That is why you are under our control.
Contrarily, God's true ambassadors NEVER want it, as they are servants.
BTW, I have a spare hacksaw if you want it. I know you need it.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Contrarily, God's true ambassadors NEVER want it, as they are servants.
BTW, I have a spare hacksaw if you want it. I know you need it.
You read this then promptly denied it? Sounds like some kind of a mental/spiritual issue to me.
Num 14:22
Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;
Num 14:23
Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:
Do you deliberately leave regeneration out? Seems you do. So you can misrepresent as you so love to do.
Read the Scriptures, We were made alive when we were dead.
And stop pretending it means physically dead.
But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead...
I don't make the claim. Scripture makes the claim. I'm simply informing you of what scripture says. You can believe it or not.
By choosing a particular scenario and claiming it shows scripture to be inaccurate is a poor means of forming doctrine. The scripture is true whether a carnally minded person is in a church building or not. Whatever was true of them before getting to church remains true of them in church unless a change has taken place.
Well then...since you say so, then explain this passage:
1 John 5:19
19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
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If what you say is true, then reconcile that with the text above since the "whole world" in FWT always = all mankind w/o exception! How can you conveniently exclude "believers" from being part of the "whole world"? Either that, or your stated premise above is wrong! Which is it?
Ephesians 2 v 4-7 ~ Because of His great love for us, God, Who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
The asinine FW way of looking at things makes them condemn another when we praise God for calling us out of the world.
They absolutely cannot accept what Scripture says.
That is why I wonder who the author of their theology is.
1 John 5 verses 18-19 ~ We know that anyone born of God does not keep on sinning; the One who was born of God protects him, and the evil one cannot touch him. We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one.
Oh, no, in their theological understanding, Scripture is inaccurate? Not inspired by the Holy Spirit of God?
No wonder they feel it needs to be re-written according to their sick and twisted way of thinking.
I have seen him do this a number of times. Him and others.
Only problem is, their thinking is sick and twisted.
Well, not their only problem. That is just a saying.
Obviously they are heavily laden with problems. Quite tragic...
They need Jesus!
Still looking for that zombie Calvin under every rock and crevasse are we?
1Jo 5:19 - And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
Matthew 11 v 28-30 Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.
1 Corinthians 1 v 18-19 ~ The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
nope the point was there is only one reference upto that day of abraham as the day that God counted his believing as righteousness
No other mention before then
Because there is no mention does not mean in anyway shape or form, God hasn't done that already with other people before or after.
But by no uncertain terms can I say how many that number was.
I would say noah
I would say others
But the picture that is mainly being painted here from me Is God placing a message on people hearts and then examining there hearts with his message.
and I'm simply informing you of what Scripture says in Gen 3:22 ... i.e. that natural man can know good as well as know evil ... you've got evil down pat ... when are you going to believe the "know good"?
then you agree that natural man can know good.Cameron143 said:
and for the record ... nowhere have I ever claimed that Scripture is inaccurate notwithstanding your assertion.
yep ... when the gospel of Christ, which is the power of God unto salvation to those who believe is preached ... natural man can believe and receive the blessing ... or suppress the truth in unrighteousness and receive the consequence.Cameron143 said:
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again, Rufus ...
Romans 1:16-19 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
If and when the pastor of a church teaches the gospel, the unbeliever sitting in the pew either believes the gospel and receives the blessing ... or the unbeliever suppresses the truth in unrighteousness and receives the consequence.
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Oh I'm quite convinced this is what you would prefer. As would Satan.As long as I continue to have you under my control, I don't care about your bad company.
But we all know that believers such as myself are.....free.
Of you......and Satan.
read verse 18 with verse 19-20, Rufus
1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
the born again one living in a world that lieth in wickedness does not alter the fact that we are of God ... that the Son of God is come ... He has given us an understanding that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ ... that this is the true God and eternal life ... yet the wicked one toucheth him not even though we live in a world that lies in wickedness.
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